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    Might as well damn them for having yellow exclamation points above their heads, too, if we’re just damning WoW for being what it integrally is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    It's also suuuper awkward to see modern day quest writers casually gloss over the fact that Malygos kept four female dragons as his baby-making machines, given how they're usually so eager to remove anything which is remotely offensive from the game these days.
    Besides the one we kill in Wrath and struggle cuddle adept Keristrasza, who're the other two?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    Besides the one we kill in Wrath and struggle cuddle adept Keristrasza, who're the other two?
    Theres one in Winterspring since classic that never had any relevance in the story and sindragosa. Nothing indicates that they have been used as breeding machines though. Its only Keristrasza that is abused by Malygos.

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    Idk, Senegos' passing did pull on my hearstrings.
    And i'm gonna miss Sindragosa quite a bit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    This Blue dragon questchain is way overhyped on Twitter.

    Sure, it's fun to see some overdue lore, the characters we meet are pretty quirky and charming, the voice acting is good, and I like hanging out in the "real" Azeroth.

    But it's also super repetitive, going after all those Blue dragons. Because most of them follow the trite old Blizzard formula of "chat to an NPC, receive two unrelated kill/fetch quests before moving on", they feel so similar to each other. Each part is pretty shallow as well. You basically meet somebody with a gargantuan problem on their hands, and within five minutes they go "OK, let's flap away to the Dragon Isles together because family and stuff".

    There are people on Twitter saying they literally cried, not just once but several times as they watched the finale. A finale featuring dragons they've barely met in the game, except as raid bosses 10 years ago.

    It's also suuuper awkward to see modern day quest writers casually gloss over the fact that Malygos kept four female dragons as his baby-making machines, given how they're usually so eager to remove anything which is remotely offensive from the game these days.
    Isnt the implication with Malygos that he had Sindragosa as his sole consort, until later after her death when he simultaneously got a bit mad?

    Doesnt seem all that shocking that he might have had new relationships after the one with Sindragosa. Not to mention that we don't really know what consort means in the grand scheme. Could be wife, could be lover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    It's also suuuper awkward to see modern day quest writers casually gloss over the fact that Malygos kept four female dragons as his baby-making machines, given how they're usually so eager to remove anything which is remotely offensive from the game these days.
    Alexstrasza & Sabellian both have a harem. That's normal for dragons. But what is bothering people is the quest treats Malygos' "madness" as something completely outside of his character, like Sindragosa turning undead. Without further exposition they don't explain why is Malygos's villain arc something that doesn't reflect on his character, but for Neltharian, it absolutely does: Both in 10.1's questchains and the characterization of his Simulacrum in the raid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolicious View Post
    Theres one in Winterspring since classic that never had any relevance in the story and sindragosa. Nothing indicates that they have been used as breeding machines though. Its only Keristrasza that is abused by Malygos.
    And Keri was well after he went off the deep end.

    Other than that, Polyamory is simply normal among dragons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolicious View Post
    Theres one in Winterspring since classic that never had any relevance in the story and sindragosa. Nothing indicates that they have been used as breeding machines though. Its only Keristrasza that is abused by Malygos.
    Cheers. Only Keristrasza was a slave and Malygos was off his rocker at the time. Past that, dragons having multiple wives/lovers has been a given. Alex had Krasus as her prime consort, but had others too. Neltharion had plenty before his cock melted and it became unfeasible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Its the datamined descriptions with context from new datamined mobs. The Azzinoth one takes you to *modern* Suramar, and we see ancient elves fighting demons & an uncorrupted Illidan. The Azqroth & Azmerloth ones are just instances we saw during the Bronze leveling questchain. Warlands only features races referenced in Warcraft 1. etc. It looks like all the time rifts take you to what is relatively the present day, just in an AU

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    I kind of wish they'd give dragonriding to every mount, even if the animations would look extremely weird.
    Thanks for the info. I haven't managed to find anything for Arthas and Silvermoon in particular. I've only seen the datamined Vereesa the Banshee Queen model and Uther the Deathbringer, but from what I've seen the datamined map for Azmourne seems to be the Icecrown Citadel. My thoughts are that this would be a universe where Arthas won, there is even the tabard that is called Victorious scourge. Although there is a human model of Prince Arthas which is kind of contradicting.

    In regards to Suramar I've found that map, but haven't found anything for Azshara. I've seen the metamorphosis model of Illidan. Wouldn't the last stand of Azshara if she decline be in Zin-Azshari instead of Suramar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    And Keri was well after he went off the deep end.

    Other than that, Polyamory is simply normal among dragons.
    Not among Dragons. Among Aspects. And it's not just about love and affection, or even banging. It's about breeding. Laying eggs. It's weird.

    But what you just said is also kind of exactly why this is so weird. "[...] is simply normal among [...]" is a rational way of approaching fantasy. It's the only way you make sense of something like Game of Thrones, which is full of misogyny, slavery, etc. It's common for the people you're observing, and because of this, it's acceptable to see it happen. It's OK to write stories about it. But for the Blizzard team, almost nothing has been acceptable as of late. They're replacing women with fruits in paintings, for heaven's sake. So why is this particular thing accepted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    They added the Dragonriding animation set to near enough every old dragon mount, including stuff like the old Drake models.
    And the topic of discussion was skins for the existing Dragonridign mounts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    Not among Dragons. Among Aspects. And it's not just about love and affection, or even banging. It's about breeding. Laying eggs. It's weird.

    But what you just said is also kind of exactly why this is so weird. "[...] is simply normal among [...]" is a rational way of approaching fantasy. It's the only way you make sense of something like Game of Thrones, which is full of misogyny, slavery, etc. It's common for the people you're observing, and because of this, it's acceptable to see it happen. It's OK to write stories about it. But for the Blizzard team, almost nothing has been acceptable as of late. They're replacing women with fruits in paintings, for heaven's sake. So why is this particular thing accepted?
    It is particularly odd; you'd expect they'd try to brush over that entirely, even if it makes a good deal of sense in-universe. Even discounting the rather iffy happenings at the office, this doesn't line up much with their overall tonal tendencies to the point it's outright incongruous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    It is particularly odd; you'd expect they'd try to brush over that entirely, even if it makes a good deal of sense in-universe. Even discounting the rather iffy happenings at the office, this doesn't line up much with their overall tonal tendencies to the point it's outright incongruous.
    Honestly, given that the writers are likely California libertines, you'd think the opposite, that they'd emphasize how it's totally a good thing and that the fact that Maly has a good relationship with Sindragosa doesn't mean he doesn't also have one with Haleh. I haven't gone through the questline yet myself, mind, so I'll hold off judgment on its quality.
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  14. #6974
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    Honestly, given that the writers are likely California libertines, you'd think the opposite, that they'd emphasize how it's totally a good thing and that the fact that Maly has a good relationship with Sindragosa doesn't mean he doesn't also have one with Haleh. I haven't gone through the questline yet myself, mind, so I'll hold off judgment on its quality.
    That's a fair possibility. From what I've seen of it, the entire arc is actually fairly nice save for the typical twee flavor of Dragonflight and how it skims over some of the nastier behavior of Malygos; to be wholly fair, he was in a state of diminished responsibility where it may not be possible to actually pass effective moral judgment, so I can see the justification behind it. I've not played it directly, but my understanding of it from secondhand testimony is that it is actually handled fairly well and ties together a good number of dangling threads from the Blue Dragonflight's history.

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    Do you think we'll see Bwonsamdi again in future expacs, or has he been forgotten about by Blizzard?
    I don't play WoW anymore smh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LemonDemonGirl View Post
    Do you think we'll see Bwonsamdi again in future expacs, or has he been forgotten about by Blizzard?
    Forgotten, no doubt. If we do see him again, he will undoubtedly be subjecting himself to the yummy taste of the Winter Queen's feet in an unwanted Shadowlands call-back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LemonDemonGirl View Post
    Do you think we'll see Bwonsamdi again in future expacs, or has he been forgotten about by Blizzard?
    Why would you expect more? He is a bit character who only got what he did in Shadowlands based on player reception. Any more and it would actually have to give him something to do, which is a stretch given he is based in the Shadowlands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Why would you expect more? He is a bit character who only got what he did in Shadowlands based on player reception. Any more and it would actually have to give him something to do, which is a stretch given he is based in the Shadowlands.
    Which is unfortunate, because he's easily one of the best "new" (he was introduced in WotLK, but the character was most "codified" outside of novels in BfA) characters; perhaps Blizzard will feature him again, but I'm not sure what kind of story would be most conducive to his appearance in the plot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    There are people on Twitter saying they literally cried, not just once but several times as they watched the finale. A finale featuring dragons they've barely met in the game, except as raid bosses 10 years ago.
    This is hardly atypical. Twitter people tend to be unhealthily overemotional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LemonDemonGirl View Post
    Do you think we'll see Bwonsamdi again in future expacs, or has he been forgotten about by Blizzard?
    Forgotten for sure.

    Him and Mueh'zala ended up being such a minor sidenote in SLs when it seemed like it was going to be a much bigger plot point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    This Blue dragon questchain is way overhyped on Twitter.

    Sure, it's fun to see some overdue lore, the characters we meet are pretty quirky and charming, the voice acting is good, and I like hanging out in the "real" Azeroth.

    But it's also super repetitive, going after all those Blue dragons. Because most of them follow the trite old Blizzard formula of "chat to an NPC, receive two unrelated kill/fetch quests before moving on", they feel so similar to each other. Each part is pretty shallow as well. You basically meet somebody with a gargantuan problem on their hands, and within five minutes they go "OK, let's flap away to the Dragon Isles together because family and stuff".

    There are people on Twitter saying they literally cried, not just once but several times as they watched the finale. A finale featuring dragons they've barely met in the game, except as raid bosses 10 years ago.

    It's also suuuper awkward to see modern day quest writers casually gloss over the fact that Malygos kept four female dragons as his baby-making machines, given how they're usually so eager to remove anything which is remotely offensive from the game these days.
    I do enjoy the acknowledgement of the old world(Err Azeroths main lands) and such. That is good. The whole Malygos and Sindragosa thing is... well I mean its sad for Sindy but not so much for Malygos IMO. Yeah his flight got devastated by Neltharion and such but he turned against the world(By going after Magic of all things lmao). Let me be clear the concept is definitely good here, my issue is IMO if the spirit of Malygos was very humble and admitted his sins to his fellow dragon aspects and such instead of "Forgive me Kalecgos" and go off into the sunset, I feel like that would of been more emotional and well more acknowledgement of the facts surrounding Sindy being used as Undead Fodder by the Lich King(Which was also Zovaal but details man details).


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