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    I used to think big clash will be Light vs Void expac where both sides are bad, but looks like we will go more traditional route. So IMO "light bad" could be topic of next saga after TLT in Avaloren.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soeroah View Post
    My guesses for patch zones for the saga, assuming two per expansion:

    TWW:
    11.1 - Undermine
    11.2 - Avaloren

    Midnight:
    12.1 - Isle of Quel'danas (expanded and void-corrupted)
    12.2 - the Realm of Void, featuring Azshara

    TLT:
    13.1 - Iridikron's caverns (Can't remember the name)
    13.2 - I don't really have a name for it, I don't think we'd go to another cosmic realm or zereth so soon after going to the void one, but I suspect we're gonna leave Azeroth to fight the titans on something close to their home turf. Maybe where the Constellar come from, or perhaps deeper into Azeroth to a machine prison built around the World Soul itself.
    Again, two expansion locations wasted on a patch? Great, you just turned the Worldsoul Saga into BfA 2.0 "lets waste our setups again - edition".

    They are literally creating expansions around updated QT and Northrend, but of course they would waste Avaloren or a whole cosmic realm on a side patch, lol.

    Midnight I could see us going to a remnant of Ka'resh though, since they whole Dimensius setup is there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soeroah View Post
    My guesses for patch zones for the saga, assuming two per expansion:

    TWW:
    11.1 - Undermine
    11.2 - Avaloren

    Midnight:
    12.1 - Isle of Quel'danas (expanded and void-corrupted)
    12.2 - the Realm of Void, featuring Azshara

    TLT:
    13.1 - Iridikron's caverns (Can't remember the name)
    13.2 - I don't really have a name for it, I don't think we'd go to another cosmic realm or zereth so soon after going to the void one, but I suspect we're gonna leave Azeroth to fight the titans on something close to their home turf. Maybe where the Constellar come from, or perhaps deeper into Azeroth to a machine prison built around the World Soul itself.
    Nah, they’ll be ending Midnight at The Sunwell for sure - that’ll lead us straight into The Last Titan then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    A lot of possible TW expacs wouldnt be an issue if they just put all vendors available all the time. Similar with Remix, I am fine with MoP never coming back only if WoD remix will have Pandaria vendor with all rewards unique to event.
    Or you know, they can just drop the unique rewards into the trading post. (that way people who slacked have to decide between getting rare stuff thats no longer available or the new stuff from the trading post) If you just make everything available you will just devalue any rewards unique to the game - and this time it's FOMO for everyone, not tied to elite content so people have no excuse of not being able to get the stuff they want.

    That said, I wouldn't want it to be another "one and done forever" thing because it sounds super fun, although I hope we get other expansions first before we get the MoP event again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathanyel View Post
    What about having two expansions per Timewalking event?
    BC + WoD
    WotLK + Legion
    Cata + BfA
    MoP + SL
    (or other combinations, maybe changing each rotation)

    Both dungeon queues are available, and they count for the same weekly.
    Only the former have raids for now, but I don't see a real reason against having two TW raids available.
    Not a terrible idea, although I think you'd be slowing queue times a bit, especially depending on the set's time/effort disparity. Like I imagine if people can faceroll wrath TW or deal with chancing Court of Stars/Vault of the Warden, you'd end up with extremely slow Legion TWing queues and slightly slower than normal Wrath ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Or you know, they can just drop the unique rewards into the trading post. If you just make everything available you will just devalue any rewards unique to the game - and this time it's FOMO for everyone, not tied to elite content so people have no excuse of not being able to get the stuff they want.

    That said, I wouldn't want it to be another "one and done" thing because it sounds super fun, although I hope we get other expansions first before we get the MoP event again.
    I don't want to devalue this. If these 30 mounts will be available only during these 2-3 months, it will be total waste. If it will be in every Remix (which I doubt will happen more often than 1 per expac, hence me thinking expacs for this won't repeat), it will be still valuable to play it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    I don't want to devalue this. If these 30 mounts will be available only during these 2-3 months, it will be total waste. If it will be in every Remix (which I doubt will happen more often than 1 per expac, hence me thinking expacs for this won't repeat), it will be still valuable to play it.
    Well they said they want this to be like arrows in a quiver, so they can use them everytime there is a content draught at the end of a season. Remember turbulent timeways? That one is in the same spot, we actually didn't get it at the end of season 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Again, two expansion locations wasted on a patch? Great, you just turned the Worldsoul Saga into BfA 2.0 "lets waste our setups again - edition".

    They are literally creating expansions around updated QT and Northrend, but of course they would waste Avaloren or a whole cosmic realm on a side patch, lol.

    Midnight I could see us going to a remnant of Ka'resh though, since they whole Dimensius setup is there.
    Last time we spent an entire expansion in a cosmic realm the playerbase rioted. I don't think we're going to completely ignore the concept, but I also don't think we're going to be spending entire expansions in them anymore. A patch seems like the compromise.

    As for Avaloren, I certainly hope it's an expansion setting, but the writing is on the wall for it being a patch in TWW or Midnight. These aren't the patches I want, they're the patches I'm predicting.

    They're going to expand on Quel'thalas and make more zones for it from the launch of the expansion - I doubt the patch zones will add any extra zones to Quel'thalas beyond maybe an expanded Isle of Quel'danas, so going to another realm seems like the most likely option there. We already know it's going to be 'a fight between Light and Void', and we already know Azshara is 'beyond the umbral veil' looking for 'the true throne of power', so using the Sunwell to create a portal there seems like a safe bet.

    As for Northrend, I'm more than half expecting they're going to revamp the majority of the continent for the launch of the expansion, which leaves little in the way of patch zones other than underground or in some new Titan spaceship or something. Part of me wonders if Ulduar is going to be turned into an 'outdoor' patch zone, but that could end up being a bit disappointing to a lot of players if it's just asset reuse. I'm not sure how big they're going with their ambitions yet, so I think "Northrend at launch, extra zones in patches" is safe, and if we're going to be ending the titan conspiracy it makes sense to fight them in their own realm so they can't come back.

  10. #69950
    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    I dont see what I said is somehow bending the lore, but what ever.

    Turalyon is simply a boring character in general and we have seen other paladins such as Tirion that had more to them and were more interesting in terms of backround as well. The whole fighting for thousends years in space fighting demons, is just that.. what ever, who cares. Because of that It feels like we know everything we need to know from him already.

    The only thing that I would like to see is how the dynamic between Turalyon and Alleria will work out and curious if there will be a clash. To me it sounds more interesting if they showcase both sides of the light and not just evil vs good (light vs void)

    We have seen two cases now were the light does things its own way. Xe ra forcing Illidan, without hes permission and the light with characters like Yrel, dreanor and then we also have scarlet crusaders who use it for bad things.

    I would be interested in exploring that a bit more.
    I don’t think he is boring at all, in fact the biggest proof he isn’t is that he is constantly at the centre of speculation of the saga and people have to make totally wild headcanons regarding his character that ultimately class with what we know.

    Regardless there is sure to be conflict bread from the clash between light and void but I really don’t see it being a literal 1 vs 1 between Alleria and Turalyon because at the end they are still a strong family.

    And of course I don’t want a simple good vs evil but let’s not pretend the only middle ground is making him a fucking villain to kill. That would be terrible for the setting and the character. You can have nuanced conflicts and if anything the most nuanced one is precisely him not being a cartoon zealot but a king forced to make seemingly good decisions that turn bad and has his internal struggle with how to proceed because his wife may end up in the opposite camp.

    Pretending that he would chose the light over his duty to the alliance or even his family is simply not who he is as a character. It’s far more probable and satisfying that his would be an arc of failing to deal properly with the duty of leading the alliance and stepping down after previously being convinced that he had made the right calls at the time, allowing for Anduin to get back being king and letting him have a complex relationship with his family that ultimately helps him have that turning point. Perhaps even having to renounce to the light when it is clear it may conflict with what is most important to him.

    This is nuanced and much better than muahaha for the light let’s kill everyone. Also it is so obvious to me the Arathians are going to fill that void of new light fanatics that turn things to shit after defeating the void invasion. Remember they also introduced the lawful good (probably to be anduins wife) from Avaloren.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    Not a terrible idea, although I think you'd be slowing queue times a bit, especially depending on the set's time/effort disparity. Like I imagine if people can faceroll wrath TW or deal with chancing Court of Stars/Vault of the Warden, you'd end up with extremely slow Legion TWing queues and slightly slower than normal Wrath ones.
    Well, after ~5min it could offer to also consider other queues, like it does for Chromie Time.

    What's dreadful about Court of Stars, the spy room? At the risk of going off-topic, I feel like this could be improved nowadays, with the NPCs showing their attire as private auras, so you can target them and check their buffs whether they fit the clues, instead of walking up close to them.
    Or disable that mechanic for LFG (TW or not) and just have the spy flee to the area where we fight them when they spot us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathanyel View Post
    Well, after ~5min it could offer to also consider other queues, like it does for Chromie Time.

    What's dreadful about Court of Stars, the spy room? At the risk of going off-topic, I feel like this could be improved nowadays, with the NPCs showing their attire as private auras, so you can target them and check their buffs whether they fit the clues, instead of walking up close to them.
    Or disable that mechanic for LFG (TW or not) and just have the spy flee to the area where we fight them when they spot us.
    Ehm no? The spy minigame was the best part about that dungeon, and I'm glad they broke the shitty WA that autosolved it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaumanKing View Post
    In Midnight, yes. But what happens after we defeat the Void? I'll tell you - the same thing that happened with AU Draenor. Without enemies like the Legion or the Void, the Light will become stronger and more tyrannical. This is natural for all cosmic forces.
    I think the Light will be an ally at first, and once the immediate Void threat is gone, they will want to take over, because we are apparently not fit and able to deal with the Void. They might also see this as the perfect opportunity to claim the World Soul which is what the summons the Titans for TLT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ksgrip View Post
    This is nuanced and much better than muahaha for the light let’s kill everyone. Also it is so obvious to me the Arathians are going to fill that void of new light fanatics that turn things to shit after defeating the void invasion. Remember they also introduced the lawful good (probably to be anduins wife) from Avaloren.
    I think after what we see in Legion, it'd be much easier to introduce the Naaru as villains. The Naaru are not aligned homogenously, as we see there were Naaru trying to kill Illidan in TBC, while at the same time we're told Xe'ra had prophesized Illidan would be their messiah all along.

    Then in the Mag'har acquisition questline, two small details are given in the worldbuilding; The first being that the Naaru see nature-worship as a path to corruption, but also that the Mag'har were being accused of somehow destroying the ecosystem of the AU Draenor. Those two ideas seem a little contradictory in how they relate to what's going on in that questline: So this leads me to believe the Naaru themselves harmed Draenor's ecosystem because the planet itself represents an unnecessary vulnerability to corruption. As cosmic warriors against the void, nature is an obstacle & ideally the Naaru's lightbound would all live on spaceships like the Lightforged. I think a lot of people think the light cosmic force would prioritize the Alliance but they clearly wouldn't appreciate the void elves or night elves.

    So I see two routes to a Tyranny of the Light storyline:
    1.) Turalyon sees himself as Azeroth's savior & he becomes a war provocateur to retake the sunwell as well as world-domination.
    2.) The Naaru show up & disown Turalyon for his relationship with Alleria. Allowing him & other worshipers to represent the good of the Light against the Naaru's tyranny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Ehm no? The spy minigame was the best part about that dungeon, and I'm glad they broke the shitty WA that autosolved it.
    Not advocating for removing it, just mentioning that as a last resort to get players to want to run it, while above I propose a solution that improves the gameplay without making it significantly easier.
    Wouldn't like it either, but the playerbase can be lazy like that, see how Oculus LFG was hated for the very simple dragon mechanic.
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    I see two as the far more probable and better setup alternative

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    My point is that it didn't last too long. Why does everyone here ignore that when talking about Turalyon's supposed "zealotry". If he was the person half of the people here say he is he would've either killed Illidan then and there or be killed by him. Anything except actually walking around.
    I think Xe'ra had some kinda of sway over Turalyon, or at least blessed him in some form. During the cinematic where Illidan kills Xe'ra, Turalyon's eyes are a lemon-yellow from the moment she was revived, until after she was disintegrated when his eyes visibly shifted from the lemon-yellow to a more honey-yellow colour. I thought it might have been literally her light illuminating his eyes, but there is no change in illumination on his model during the moment when his eyes changed.

    Around the 2:40 mark:

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    I think it will be something like this.

    TWW- Core is saved from being corrupted by Xal and is safeguarded somehow, but Xal "wins" in another way (likely possessing or corrupting Alleria forcibly), which causes her to attack Silvermoon and/or summon a void force to Azeroth

    Midnight- the Void is MOSTLY fought off and cleansed from North EK, but SOMEONE wins in a major way (either Dimensius or, more likely IMO, Azshara) that leads us to retreat and have to reach out to the keepers

    TLT- Odyn arrives at Ulduar, starts a Keeper civil war, and begins the process of summoning the Titans to wipe out Azeroth as he sees the mortals have failed in Midnight. We have to knock sense into him/kill him and deal with Iridikron is who is lurking around. Unsure on the exact ending but I'm guessing true and ultimate freedom from the titans

    Avaloren could be interwoven into any of this, but I think it's more likely for it and the Light to be a main focus, and an antagonistic force, in the saga following TWSS. Especially given how it is to the side of Kalimdor and we are due for some Kalimdor focus in the next saga.

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    Partly out of contrarianess, partly because I like the subversion, I would love if they retconned "Her heart is a crater and we have filled it" to actually refer to Beledar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auxis View Post
    I think Xe'ra had some kinda of sway over Turalyon, or at least blessed him in some form. During the cinematic where Illidan kills Xe'ra, Turalyon's eyes are a lemon-yellow from the moment she was revived, until after she was disintegrated when his eyes visibly shifted from the lemon-yellow to a more honey-yellow colour. I thought it might have been literally her light illuminating his eyes, but there is no change in illumination on his model during the moment when his eyes changed.

    Around the 2:40 mark:

    Or it is just resonance. Everyone infused with the Light would resonate to a prime Naaru and be empowered simply by their presence. Makes sense to me.

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