1. #7201
    Quote Originally Posted by Frood View Post
    Okay, but what if they were void pirates?
    They're pirates... We've seen eldritch horrors and literal space gods, who gives a fuck about pirates? This is the same problem people had at the start of BfA, the huge disconnect between fighting man'ari and dreadlords on Argus, only to go back to worthless quillboar in Stormsong Valley.

    Besides, BfA Alliance experience was oversaturated with pirates everywhere. Even the main villain for the Alliance, Lady Ashvane, was nicknamed "Pirate Queen" during development. Pirates had a huge presence in Kul Tiras and I'm sure that some of those pirates were corrupted by the Void, as the Void also had a huge presence in Kul Tiras.

    Unoriginal idea, it has already been done before.

    Jaina being too concerned with pirates to go to Lor'themar's wedding is insufficient set-up for an expansion, especially when compared to other (and better) expansion concepts.
    Last edited by Varodoc; 2023-06-03 at 01:42 PM.

  2. #7202
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Why would anyone want a "Pirate" expansion? That sounds like complete filler, boring and unoriginal idea.
    For the same reason you want an Old God expansion.

  3. #7203
    Quote Originally Posted by ImTheMizAwesome View Post
    Second "elementaly" themed expansion in a row would be disappointing for me, there's a lot of elemental influence both in some zone areas and quests, enemies in DF.

    Hopefully both wont happen, pirate or elemental and we will get something new.
    The elemental influence is in like 3 areas and its mostly just lava

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Why would anyone want a "Pirate" expansion? That sounds like complete filler, boring and unoriginal idea.

    As for the Elementals... people here know that the Elementals were slaves of the Old Gods, Yes? They are not impressive enough to carry their own expansion, but when the Old God inevitably resurfaces, they might take part of the spotlight, as they did in Cataclysm.
    Elemental forces aren't enough for an expansion because they had a master

    Someone tell the devs the current expansion can't happen because the bad guys had masters in the past

  4. #7204
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    They're pirates... We've seen eldritch horrors and literal space gods, who gives a fuck about pirates? This is the same problem people had at the start of BfA, the huge disconnect between fighting man'ari and dreadlords on Argus, only to go back to worthless quillboar in Stormsong Valley.

    Besides, BfA Alliance experience was oversaturated with pirates everywhere. Even the main villain for the Alliance, Lady Ashvane, was nicknamed "Pirate Queen" during development. Pirates had a huge presence in Kul Tiras and I'm sure that some of those pirates were corrupted by the Void, as the Void also had a huge presence in Kul Tiras.

    Unoriginal idea, it has already been done before.
    By that logic, Legion would never have been a thing. We had already fought the Burning Legion and Kil'jaeden once. The elemental lords already had their turn in Cataclysm. Besides, if void elves can be a thing, why can't void pirates? Many eldritch themes have a strong connection to the sea. Not sure the same can be said for blood elves.

    We only saw one execution of the pirate theme. We're still missing the tropical, swashbuckling aspect. Throw in some bananas, guild ships and a new old god that eats gold... presto, you've got yourself a classic.

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    I mean surely we wouldn’t get a “pirate” expansion.
    At most pirates would be patch content, not a “big bad” or main focus of an xpac.
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    Pirates are very low grade theme. I'd rather deal with cosmic stuff then that.
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  7. #7207
    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    I mean surely we wouldn’t get a “pirate” expansion.
    At most pirates would be patch content, not a “big bad” or main focus of an xpac.
    So true! I think what people are referring to is more of a sea-themed expansion. Perhaps Azshara would be the main villain, but there could still be room for pirates as a major plot device or overarching theme, like you suggest. Maybe it just ends up being called a 'pirate' expansion, because that's what people typically associate with seafaring in WoW.

  8. #7208
    Think the people shitting on the idea of a pirate fleet as major antagonists for a story just lack imagination and are unable to look past the more cartoony aspects of pirates we’ve seen in media before, as opposed to looking at other pirate media out there which is a lot darker.

  9. #7209
    Quote Originally Posted by Forum Man View Post
    The elemental influence is in like 3 areas and its mostly just lava
    So you forgot about Raszageth (Storm/Wind), Iridikron (Earth) and Vyranoth (Ice/Water) already?

  10. #7210
    Quote Originally Posted by Frood View Post
    By that logic, Legion would never have been a thing. We had already fought the Burning Legion and Kil'jaeden once. The elemental lords already had their turn in Cataclysm. Besides, if void elves can be a thing, why can't void pirates? Many eldritch themes have a strong connection to the sea. Not sure the same can be said for blood elves.

    We only saw one execution of the pirate theme. We're still missing the tropical, swashbuckling aspect. Throw in some bananas, guild ships and a new old god that eats gold... presto, you've got yourself a classic.
    Imagine comparing the Burning Legion, literally the greatest physical threat in Warcraft, to pirates.

    The second part of your post is also flawed, pirates are unworthy and undeserving of so much screentime and attention from Blizzard.

  11. #7211
    Quote Originally Posted by Frood View Post
    So true! I think what people are referring to is more of a sea-themed expansion. Perhaps Azshara would be the main villain, but there could still be room for pirates as a major plot device or overarching theme, like you suggest. Maybe it just ends up being called a 'pirate' expansion, because that's what people typically associate with seafaring in WoW.
    I mean, you just need to look at Euron Greyjoy from the A Song of Ice and Fire books to see that pirates as a chief antagonistic force could easily be extremely compelling.

  12. #7212
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Imagine comparing the Burning Legion, literally the greatest physical threat in Warcraft, to pirates.

    The second part of your post is also flawed, pirates are unworthy and undeserving of so much screentime and attention from Blizzard.
    At this point, the Burning Legion is a non-threat. Lacking Sargeras leadership, it is guaranteed to have descended into infighting and accomplishing pretty much nothing.

    Pirates might not be threatening to wipe out the universe, but they'd be a much more immediate and relevant threat than the Legion.

  13. #7213
    Quote Originally Posted by Frood View Post
    So true! I think what people are referring to is more of a sea-themed expansion. Perhaps Azshara would be the main villain, but there could still be room for pirates as a major plot device or overarching theme, like you suggest. Maybe it just ends up being called a 'pirate' expansion, because that's what people typically associate with seafaring in WoW.
    Did you not play BfA? That's literally BfA. Azshara was the main threat to Kul Tiras through her puppets Lady Ashvane and Lord Stormsong and was also implied to have dealings with Zul. It was a Seafaring expansion as multiple island chains were introduced as the location of maritime expeditions. The two main questing hubs were large islands in the Great Sea. Pirates were frequent threat in Kul Tiras.

    So you just want a rehash of BfA? With no faction war? Boring!
    Last edited by Varodoc; 2023-06-03 at 02:12 PM.

  14. #7214
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    The greatest physical threat, yet they weren't nearly as successful as Zovaal in terms of achieving their goals lmaooo
    Sargeras literally stabbed the planet and nearly killed Azeroth. We beat him by the skin of our teeth. We had to sacrifice our artifacts to cleanse his sword of the corruption that was killing Azeroth. We still don’t know truly how much damage he did.

    Your bias for Zovaal and anything First One related is out of hand.

  15. #7215
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    The greatest physical threat, yet they weren't nearly as successful as Zovaal in terms of achieving their goals lmaooo
    This is why you were banned from that Discord server some time ago. No one mentioned Zovaal, why you mention him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    Sargeras literally stabbed the planet and nearly killed Azeroth. We beat him by the skin of our teeth. We had to sacrifice our artifacts to cleanse his sword of the corruption that was killing Azeroth. We still don’t know truly how much damage he did.

    Your bias for Zovaal and anything First One related is out of hand.
    What’s funny is that Sargeras’ sword is still influencing the story to this day. (And likely will again in the future)

    Whereas everyone seemingly forgot about Zovaal, who didn’t leave any form of lasting impact on Azeroth anywhere near what the Burning Legion did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    Sargeras literally stabbed the planet and nearly killed Azeroth. We beat him by the skin of our teeth. We had to sacrifice our artifacts to cleanse his sword of the corruption that was killing Azeroth. We still don’t know truly how much damage he did.

    Your bias for Zovaal and anything First One related is out of hand.
    Not to mention how Zovaal wouldn't have accomplished anything if it wasn't for Sargeras and his Legion. It was the actions of Sargeras and his Legion that caused the Arbiter to break down, which kickstarted the whole plot of SL.

  18. #7218
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Because they're really not the greatest lmaooo. They're really cool visually and are among the most iconic, but they ain't shit overall. 2 failed invasions, Sargeras failed like 3 times in 7.3 alone...

    It's insane just how goofed the Legion got throughout WoW.
    My guy, you literally used to RP on this forum as Sargeras and then Argus.

    Zovaal doesn’t even come into the equation for both effectiveness and icon status as Warcraft villains.

  19. #7219
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Because they're really not the greatest lmaooo. They're really cool visually and are among the most iconic, but they ain't shit overall. 2 failed invasions, Sargeras failed like 3 times in 7.3 alone...

    It's insane just how goofed the Legion got throughout WoW.
    And yet, if Blizzard were to make a poll asking "Who was the best antagonist between Sargeras and Zovaal?", I guarantee you that Sargeras would get at least 99% of the votes.

    Sargeras might not have been as successful as Danuser's asspulled OC, but he definitely won the hearts of the community more than Zovaal ever could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    What’s funny is that Sargeras’ sword is still influencing the story to this day. (And likely will again in the future)

    Whereas everyone seemingly forgot about Zovaal, who didn’t leave any form of lasting impact on Azeroth anywhere near what the Burning Legion did.
    I'm sure Anduin would disagree with that, and well the top of Icecrown Lich Kingless atm. Zovaal has had a pretty big influence on Azeroth.
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