1. #7921
    Quote Originally Posted by Ateo View Post
    You're playing a game that used to heavily insinuate in it's manual that orcs captured and raped female species.

    This entire franchise is a spin off of Warhammer. If you can't handle mature/dark themes then leave. Stop pretending this isn't a game with very real dark shit that happens in its lore. War has consequences, some of those being deemed atrocities. This is called good writing. This is the entire basis of the warcraft franchise.

    Pillaging, civilian murder, conquest, slavery, brutality.

    We are literally running around butchering people/animals with giant cleavers with blood animations and light gore everywhere.

    Stop begging for a gutted version of this game, if you don't enjoy these themes you're simply in the wrong place.
    You do realize i was supporting your argument, right?
    Warcraft should reconnect with its Warhammer roots. This crazy american mentality that you should tread carefully as to not hurt anyone is harming their creativity and completely strips the franchise of its epicness.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    They shouldn’t touch topics they don’t have the skill or will to Handle properly just like the sleaze bags who originally put said topics into the setting shouldn’t have touched it while they or there work mates were playing pretend at the same things in the offices.
    If i pick a game, i don't ask who made it. They could be the worst people on earth. Hell, they can be nazis. Yet, i wouldn't ask them to modify their game to my beliefs. I would simply not buy their products if it disturbed me that much or outright boyocott them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    sure if that’s what you want to call it then in all for censoring shitty writers or people who don’t have the skill or will to do theses topics Justice.
    What is this silly argument of "they can't handle topics"?
    Was Garrosh's line of calling Sylvanas a bitch mishandled or just the whim of a single developer with a toddler? Was Alexstrasza being raped in WC2 a grim mark on all real world rape or was it simply being taken as what it is, a storytelling point in a story arc.
    I often see people overeacting over Night elves being burned at Teldrassil. You're taking it too seriously. It is a game.
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  2. #7922
    Quote Originally Posted by Ateo View Post
    What should they do then? Act as if this game is real life and write a 24 page in game chat dialogue essay on the consequences of these actions? You're playing a game it has limited time for exposition. Grow up and learn to handle this shit better.
    I mean i remember you said the same thing about modern wow being childish and disneyfied a couple weeks ago so it seems you also have a huge problem with wow's modern writing if that post was anything to go by.
    Do you hear the voices too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    What is this silly argument of "they can't handle topics"?
    They are crap writers or crappy people, as such there lack of skill or will reflects directly into there work and you get what should be mature adult subjects come across poorly, see chromie making cheese jokes about the Alex quest.

    If blizzard or any one else actually wants to use theses subjects I’m for it as long as they do it with the Justice it is due, which blizzards seems to refuse to do.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Alright guys it’s getting really fucking boring now.

  5. #7925
    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    They are crap writers or crappy people, as such there lack of skill or will reflects directly into there work and you get what should be mature adult subjects come across poorly, see chromie making cheese jokes about the Alex quest.

    If blizzard or any one else actually wants to use theses subjects I’m for it as long as they do it with the Justice it is due, which blizzards seems to refuse to do.
    Being poor writers has nothing to do with these topics in particular. They could be shitty in any other subject as well. Avoiding them doesn't make it any better. Focusing on high pitched voices and "emotional" cutscenes doesn't help the game either.

  6. #7926
    Im looking at some wowdb new quest items and i wonder where this one will lead too, with horde book icon - https://ptr.wowdb.com/items/206984-blood-soaked-book

    It could be just some daily stuff from rifts i guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    Being poor writers has nothing to do with these topics in particular. They could be shitty in any other subject as well. Avoiding them doesn't make it any better. Focusing on high pitched voices and "emotional" cutscenes doesn't help the game either.
    Being a poor writer/person is always worse when your dealing with more serious subjects.

    I also haven’t said they should avoid the topics, I’ve advocated for them to still touch on them but in a better way, though after the lawsuit I don’t think blizzards has the chops for it.

    I’m also pretty sure I’ve never mentioned “high pitched voices” or “emotional cutscenes” any where or if I’m for or against them.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

  8. #7928
    Quote Originally Posted by ImTheMizAwesome View Post
    Im looking at some wowdb new quest items and i wonder where this one will lead too, with horde book icon - https://ptr.wowdb.com/items/206984-blood-soaked-book

    It could be just some daily stuff from rifts i guess.
    I would assume the return of the Brawler's Guild? Considering the original starter quest was the Blood-Soaked Invitation.

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  10. #7930
    Quote Originally Posted by Khaza-R View Post
    I would assume the return of the Brawler's Guild? Considering the original starter quest was the Blood-Soaked Invitation.
    You might be into something, i know someone here before mentioned brawler's guild is coming back but i couldn't find any info about it.

    Also breaking news, 10.1.5 launches july 11.

  11. #7931
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Patch on july 11th.
    Very excited to take advantage of the current exp and rep bonus, and when that is done, new patch!!

    Awesome.

    I am looking forward to 10.1.5 story, and also very excited to see 10.1.7 in the PTR!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImTheMizAwesome View Post
    You might be into something, i know someone here before mentioned brawler's guild is coming back but i couldn't find any info about it.

    Also breaking news, 10.1.5 launches july 11.
    Ion confirmed that is coming back as an evergreen feature in an interview.
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  12. #7932
    Quote Originally Posted by ParanoiD84 View Post
    I mean i remember you said the same thing about modern wow being childish and disneyfied a couple weeks ago so it seems you also have a huge problem with wow's modern writing if that post was anything to go by.
    You are correct. I have a incredible issue with the PC/woke take on modern lore.


    This is a game about war at its heart. The travesties and deep dark themes rooted in war. We run around butchering all forms of life and commiting a multitude of war crimes over the past two decades. That is the basis of this game, I do not understand why people who aren't fans of this feel the need to insert their bullshit into it and force change to fit their world. I don't go to another franchise and say "this needs orcs. Make orcs now or it's bad" I simply don't play what I don't enjoy.

    The modern writers are pretty horrible. Especially compared to those who left. WC1-Wrath was the best this game ever was and likely ever will be. The previous writers actually had talent, I do not care about the irl issue that happened I'm not defending their actions but their actions don't change the fact this game was once extremely well written for its medium. I can in fact dislike bad shit in IRL and in fact enjoy the game they created.

    I enjoy lore like Warhammer 40k, I love movies like "the sadness" and the comics like "crossed" and "black gas" it doesn't mean I support terrible shit IRL. A functioning adult can differentiate between the two. Just like I love espionage movies yet do not enjoy the fact that 9/11 happened.

    Reality =\= fiction. It's that simple.


    The original writers and artists who birthed this franchise were exponentially better in ever single way than who is now at the helm of it. It's undebatable.

    Lore was better. Settling was better. Music was better. The fantasy was better.

    The ONLY thing that has improved over the years is basic game play and graphics, both of which are only better due to better technology. The new devs are for the most part trash but at least a few are still trying to keep the game how it once was, grounded in a gritty dark fantasy setting with an abundance of deprave acts to be found that give you the hero a actual reason to hate the villains of the franchise.

    It's the extreme minority of modern soft fans and the ABSOLUTELY woke new devs who are destroying and degrading this franchise. Systematically destroying what is the soul of this game with each removal or retcon.

    There is a reason classic wow is growing in player numbers yet again despite modern wow having much more to do. It has to do with quality. The quality of modern wow is sub par in its best moments and absolutely abhorrent in its worst. The best writing they have right now is when they bring back something from the past, such as neltharion or even sindragosa which at its best is fan fare and pandering. Every attempt at a original idea over the past 6 years has been a failure.
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  13. #7933
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkarath View Post
    Ion confirmed that is coming back as an evergreen feature in an interview.
    Good to know, if wonder if there will be some new rewards.

    Another thing i wonder about is if this weeks ptr update will give us more info on these datamined tender bundles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImTheMizAwesome View Post
    You might be into something, i know someone here before mentioned brawler's guild is coming back but i couldn't find any info about it.

    Also breaking news, 10.1.5 launches july 11.
    Usually X.1.5 was time for stuff like this. Since 10.1.5 is basically 10.1 part 2, pretty obvious this time 10.1.7 will have BfA timewalking, Brawler's Guild and spliting megadungeon. Also I hope for toy that unlockes map on Dragon Isles and catch up gear similar to 10.0.7 cause sets looks awesome and this time I will have all classes ready from day 1.

  15. #7935
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Usually X.1.5 was time for stuff like this. Since 10.1.5 is basically 10.1 part 2, pretty obvious this time 10.1.7 will have BfA timewalking, Brawler's Guild and spliting megadungeon. Also I hope for toy that unlockes map on Dragon Isles and catch up gear similar to 10.0.7 cause sets looks awesome and this time I will have all classes ready from day 1.
    I think 10.1.5 might have some catch up gear already from time rifts or something, at least i saw 2 recolored sets on PTR, one was called "valhalla" something and other one was a recolor of arathi warfront.
    But i might be wrong, since i didn't go deep on PTR and they could be just cosmetic.

    Edit: nvm, these 2 sets are cosmetic.
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  16. #7936
    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    It would be quite nice if we could dispose of the superfluous real-world culture war nonsense and return to the topic of the thread.
    good luck with that
    any mention of that stuff pulls in at least 3 posters from other areas who wont just let it die

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum Man View Post
    good luck with that
    any mention of that stuff pulls in at least 3 posters from other areas who wont just let it die
    And, on the other hand, any talk about races/void/classes summons other fine and known forum specimens. We really have created a bizarre ecosystem here.
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  18. #7938
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    And, on the other hand, any talk about races/void/classes summons other fine and known forum specimens. We really have created a bizarre ecosystem here.
    It's like the off-topic forum has taken on a life of its own, turning this forum into 50% game discussions and 50% political ones. I actually think the forum would be better off with no off-topic forum and a general rule against discussing politics here. Take it to the news sites, this is a site for games.

  19. #7939
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    And, on the other hand, any talk about races/void/classes summons other fine and known forum specimens. We really have created a bizarre ecosystem here.
    at least those are semi related
    i would rather 20 pages of tinker crap than what we just got

  20. #7940
    Quote Originally Posted by FossilFree View Post
    It's like the off-topic forum has taken on a life of its own, turning this forum into 50% game discussions and 50% political ones. I actually think the forum would be better off with no off-topic forum and a general rule against discussing politics here. Take it to the news sites, this is a site for games.
    Roughly my feelings on the matter. I can handle a digression re: Tinkers, and I've caused a number myself on other matters, but this all strikes me as hugely outside of the entire range of our interest.

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