1. #8341
    Let's stop and think this through for a minute.

    - In the beginning of Azeroth, there were the Elementals and the Elemental Lords.

    - The Void sent the Old Gods to conquer Azeroth. The Elementals fought back, but ultimately lost and became enslaved. The Titans arrived and won the day.

    - Then the Protodragons evolved from the Elementals.

    - Some Protodragons were turned into Dragon Aspects by the Titans using Order magic, while some went deeper into their Elemental ancestry and became Primal Incarnates.

    - Two sides of the same coin, both Elemental in nature but one infused with Order magic, and the other even more Elemental magic.

    - Both sides were lured by the Void. Neltharion struck a pact with it, and it seems like Iridikron might've as well.

    - Both were engaged in a war, and ultimately the Dragon Aspects came out on top. Essentially, two different philosophies clashed over the right to rule and protect the world they shared: the Elemental magic which had always covered the planet, and the Order magic which had always resided inside with the slumbering Titan.

    Right? Okay.

    What's happening right now is essentially round 2 of that war. Iridikron is pursuing his endgame, whatever it may be, and Alex is pursuing hers (making sure the Dragon Aspects are empowered once more, and able to fulfill their duty to protect Azeroth).

    Then Thrall appears on the cover of BlizzCon 2023. The one guy who's been heavily involved with both the Elementals and the Dragons. The mortal who, in a way, represents both of these forces. He literally was the Earth-warder for a while.

    At this point it feels very likely the next expansion will involve some kind of war over Azeroth, which would include Dragons, Elementals, Old Gods and a world revamp.

    Theory

    War breaks out all over Azeroth, in what is essentially the Hour of Twilight. The Old World is literally torn asunder.

    In a cinematic that invokes the spirit of the old Cataclysm cinematic, but with Thrall as the narrator, we see elemental forces clashing, Old God minions lurking in the shadows and deep corners of the earth, and ultimately, Thrall riding a dragon into combat.

    Metzen's voice is booming, just as it did when he voiced Deathwing, about the impending dangers and terrible forces now waging war for dominance.

    Lands are destroyed and restored, cities rise and fall.

    Ultimately the logo appears: World of Warcraft: WORLDBREAKER / AZEROTH / HOUR OF TWILIGHT / TITAN or something like that.

    Then, because 11.0 is the final expansion in the "Void" trilogy, after Cataclysm and Dragonflight before it, we get a follow-up to MoP in 12.0 with a thrilling expansion that takes us across the world to the mystical continent of AVALOREN.

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    TBC -> WoD -> Legion
    WotLK -> BfA -> SL
    Cata -> DF -> 11.0
    MoP - 12.0 -> 13.0
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  2. #8342
    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    In a cinematic that invokes the spirit of the old Cataclysm cinematic, but with Thrall as the narrator, we see elemental forces clashing, Old God minions lurking in the shadows and deep corners of the earth, and ultimately, Thrall riding a dragon into combat.
    I'd love to see this in a cinematic tbh so really hope your theory comes true lol Am still incredibly disappointed with the DF cinematic..

    An expansion that focuses on the Elementals more is more than welcome by me, as I'm a sucker for anything Elemental-themed but I, like a few others on here, am not sure Blizz will go in that direction given DF already is very heavily Elemental-themed.

    They have shown us they can change the way they do things do, such as introducing a new spec after the xpac started, so who knows. It's honestly hard to see what else, other than an Elemental xpac, they can go with at this moment in time though so fingers crossed lol

  3. #8343
    Dragonflight is an elemental expansion. It’s primarily about dragons and elementals. Much like BfA was faction conflict and old gods. I’m not sure where people are getting the idea that 11.0 will be primarily elemental focused.

    11.0 so far is heavily leaning towards World Revamp. I’ve no doubt that the elements and the elemental lords (as well as the surviving Primalists/Incarnates) will factor into zones stories like they did in Vanilla, but they won’t be the primary theme. It’ll just be Vanilla 2.0 with a combination of various stories, characters and narratives dedicated to each of their zones.

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    Ah, smell of expac speculation and actual Blizzcon on the horizon. I missed that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scyth View Post
    I'd love to see this in a cinematic tbh so really hope your theory comes true lol Am still incredibly disappointed with the DF cinematic..

    An expansion that focuses on the Elementals more is more than welcome by me, as I'm a sucker for anything Elemental-themed but I, like a few others on here, am not sure Blizz will go in that direction given DF already is very heavily Elemental-themed.

    They have shown us they can change the way they do things do, such as introducing a new spec after the xpac started, so who knows. It's honestly hard to see what else, other than an Elemental xpac, they can go with at this moment in time though so fingers crossed lol
    WoD heavily featured the Burning Legion, and we got Legion right after.
    BfA heavily features Death-themes and the storylines surrounding Jaina, Arthas, Uther, Drust, Sylvanas, Bwonsamdi, etc., and we got SL right after.

    So there is no reason why 11.0 can't contain Elemental stuff. In fact, going by history, it seems quite likely.

  6. #8346
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    2020 was the year Shadowlands was released, so you wouldn't get expansion hints from that one. However, if you look at the key art in the last few years, it does hint at what the next expansion is going to be thematically. For example, before Shadowlands announced, this was the key art for BlizzCon '19;

    And obviously Sylvanas played a big role in that expansion.

    Here's the key art from '17;

    And obviously Jaina was a big part of that expansion via Kul'tiras.

    Here's the key art from BlizzCon '15;

    That did come out after Legion was already announced though, because the new expansion was announced at Gamescon instead of BlizzCon that year.

    That said, yeah Thrall being in the key art for this one could definitely be indicative of what's to come in 11.0.
    Fair enough, does seem I may be mistaken, and as was pointed out my thing about Deathwing turned out to be HotS which I completely forgot about.

    Still think basing the idea of a WR off Thrall being there isn't much more than wishful thinking, but who knwos.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post
    Yeah I was about to say, those are unrelated. And although Thrall being on the Blizzcon banners is a convincing argument for 11.0 being focused around Elementals and a WR... am I the only one thinking an Elemental expansion would feel a bit redundant after DF? Like, the Prime Incarnates had a very strong elemental vibe about them and there were lots of elementals all around the continent.

    So that plotline may have been baked with the DF one, that or 11.0 WR doesn't focus on elementals... or elementals that we know. Hello Spirit and Decay elemental planes?
    Yeah, like we've got an elemental expansion in all but name right now. It isn't out of the question to continue but I would think they'd want to avoid something too similar to the previous expansion in order to avoid fatigue.

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    Sometimes a Thrall is just a Thrall.

    I think it’s as simple as Blizzard wanting a banner that shows off each franchise’s most iconic character. Thrall is a logical choice for WoW. Nothing more to it.

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    While personally I don't think there will be a revamp (although I would love one)

    The one thing I've been mulling over was a revamp for retail that also doubles as Classic HD release. That kind of double effort is something I could plausibly see Blizzard investing in since the returns on it could be massive. And Thrall in his new updated model kind of symbolizes something simultaneously both old and new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    WoD heavily featured the Burning Legion, and we got Legion right after.
    BfA heavily features Death-themes and the storylines surrounding Jaina, Arthas, Uther, Drust, Sylvanas, Bwonsamdi, etc., and we got SL right after.

    So there is no reason why 11.0 can't contain Elemental stuff. In fact, going by history, it seems quite likely.
    WoD mostly featured Orcs, only in the last patch did Legion themes really ramp up. BFA hardly dealt with Death related themes that the Shadowlands did. It isn't comparable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkilak View Post
    Sometimes a Thrall is just a Thrall.

    I think it’s as simple as Blizzard wanting a banner that shows off each franchise’s most iconic character. Thrall is a logical choice for WoW. Nothing more to it.
    TBF, we have a history of key art hinting at future expansion themes.

    Also the last time we had an Orc-centric expansion was WoD which was coincidentally announced 10 years ago and the next expansion's release frame is 10 years after WoD's release. A Lightbound invasion would be a very appropriate sequel to WoD. I could also imagine Blizzard doing it as a way to clean up some of the shortcomings the original expansion went through, and give us some of the lost content that we missed out on. Maybe some dungeons and raids that were meant to be released in WoD are re-released via some time-traveling shenegains.

  11. #8351
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Also the last time we had an Orc-centric expansion was WoD which was coincidentally announced 10 years ago and the next expansion's release frame is 10 years after WoD's release. A Lightbound invasion would be a very appropriate sequel to WoD. I could also imagine Blizzard doing it as a way to clean up some of the shortcomings the original expansion went through, and give us some of the lost content that we missed out on. Maybe some dungeons and raids that were meant to be released in WoD are re-released via some time-traveling shenegains.
    I don't think doing any sort of promotion linked to WoD is a good idea. Even though Shadowlands was badly received, WoD is also seen as one of the worst expansion.
    Why would they shoot themselves in the foot with Yrel and the Lightbound ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    TBF, we have a history of key art hinting at future expansion themes.

    Also the last time we had an Orc-centric expansion was WoD which was coincidentally announced 10 years ago and the next expansion's release frame is 10 years after WoD's release. A Lightbound invasion would be a very appropriate sequel to WoD. I could also imagine Blizzard doing it as a way to clean up some of the shortcomings the original expansion went through, and give us some of the lost content that we missed out on. Maybe some dungeons and raids that were meant to be released in WoD are re-released via some time-traveling shenegains.
    Multiverses are very popular right now. Maybe the Time Rift scenarios are the timelines they won't be focusing on in 11.0... Which leaves the AU Draenor, the Draenei claim it was destroyed by the orcs & the orcs claim it was destroyed by the Draenei's disregard for nature. (considering the Naaru have attributed nature worship to a corruption pipeline my guess is they did it on purpose.)

    Also the only timeline (IE Caverns of time) we don't see in Dragonflight is what the timeline would be like if the Dark Portal was never opened. No Orcs, no Draenei. No Legion? No Lich King?

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    WoW things are going to happen in the WoW franchise. As a WoW character, Thrall might be involved. That doesn’t mean his inclusion in art is a “hint.” He’s simply iconic to the franchise, which independently means that he is utilized in forthcoming narratives and may be used in general Blizzard art, those things being completely unrelated.

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    Wouldn’t be surprised if thrall is there just because Metzen is back at blizzard and he’ll be opening for blizzcon like he used to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noirebene View Post
    I don't think doing any sort of promotion linked to WoD is a good idea. Even though Shadowlands was badly received, WoD is also seen as one of the worst expansion.
    Why would they shoot themselves in the foot with Yrel and the Lightbound ?
    Yrel, Thrall, Garrosh, and Grom are all popular characters.

    Also people have desired playable Arakkoa and Ogres for a very long time.

    People don't view WoD as bad in of itself like Shadowlands. They view it as bad because it was cut short, and a lot of its promises weren't kept.

    That said, we wouldn't be going back to Draenor, Draenor would be coming to us on Azeroth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Wouldn’t be surprised if thrall is there just because Metzen is back at blizzard and he’ll be opening for blizzcon like he used to.
    That's very possible as well.

  16. #8356
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    WoD mostly featured Orcs, only in the last patch did Legion themes really ramp up. BFA hardly dealt with Death related themes that the Shadowlands did. It isn't comparable.
    Yes the last of three raids. That's a third of the playtime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Wouldn’t be surprised if thrall is there just because Metzen is back at blizzard and he’ll be opening for blizzcon like he used to.
    He definitely was a better showmaster than his successors.

  18. #8358
    I don't know why people give any credence to those supposed expansion theme "leaks", as if Blizzard is really sitting there thinking "Yo we gotta make sure the expansion 5 expansions from now derives from Elementals."

    All it is is people seeing a pattern where chance happens, and as someone who works with something that entails randomness, it can make some fucking weird patterns.

  19. #8359
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    I don't know why people give any credence to those supposed expansion theme "leaks", as if Blizzard is really sitting there thinking "Yo we gotta make sure the expansion 5 expansions from now derives from Elementals."

    All it is is people seeing a pattern where chance happens, and as someone who works with something that entails randomness, it can make some fucking weird patterns.
    Classic human pattern recognition overdrive.

  20. #8360

    give it to us

    karabor alliance city or better yet make it a sanctuary city... hell how about this.. bladespire AND karabor as both sanctuary cities.
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