1. #8401
    Quote Originally Posted by ImTheMizAwesome View Post


    Green jesus on Blizzcon 2023 art, we will see more of thrall in coming patches besides the orc heritage armor? or maybe in new expansion.
    Not sure if this has been said befor but 3 out of the 5 characters have some form of Exploration built into there character. Winston with space. Elise Starseeker is literally in the League of Explorers an Thrall Exploring and trying to find the Orcs/Horde there Home befor Org was built. LMAO i know its a strech but i dont know much about lilith or the gnome.

  2. #8402
    Quote Originally Posted by Eeram View Post
    Not sure if this has been said befor but 3 out of the 5 characters have some form of Exploration built into there character. Winston with space. Elise Starseeker is literally in the League of Explorers an Thrall Exploring and trying to find the Orcs/Horde there Home befor Org was built. LMAO i know its a strech but i dont know much about lilith or the gnome.
    Gnome is just from the bad mobile game.

    Lilith... I guess founded sanctuary.
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  3. #8403
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    That you have to name 20 different things, none of which actually appear in all of the expansions, include "either or" options like "Maiev or literally any warden" or "any member of the menethil family appears", and use things as tennuous as "there are portals to places" should be a red flag to you.

    You know what also fits 2? Legion. It's the expansion that reintroduces Calia, it features Bolvar and the Lich King, Uther, it features Sylvanas in a forefront position, it has multiple ties to death including visiting the afterlife and dealing with a major power of death, it has stories of loss and death, vengeance, mass loss of life, harvesting of souls, the Forsaken, strange necromantic magic and death cults.

    Do you know what also fits 3? BfA. It involves Neltharion, Dragons and the Aspects in both Highmountain and in researching the Heart Forge, it involves elements and elementals, large cults, changes to the world and its climate, Thrall, the looming threat of the Void and its hour of twilight, etc.

    Because really these patterns mean nothing at all and picking expansions that vaguely line up is just arbitrary pattern creation. Which is why you're having to do shit like ignore half of Sylvanas' entire story because the actual death/necromancy plot progression, which is WC3 > Vanilla > Wrath > Cata > Legion > BfA > Shadowlands, doesn't fit the "pattern" of these made up trilogies, despite Legion and Cata being much, much more significant parts of the Sylvanas and ultimately Jailer narrative than Wrath was.
    90% of the things I mentioned are either heavily featured, or indirectly very relevant, in each of the expansions I listed them under. One or two things may be misplaced but it still gets the general idea across. It's very hard to tell in the first example if I meant WoD or Legion. But it's super easy to tell whether I meant Legion or Shadowlands for example.

    There is a very, very clear story continuation from Wod to Legion, from BfA to Shadowlands, and likely from Dragonflight to 11.0. The first chapters of each trilogy are a bit more standalone because they were all written at the time to have a clear beginning, middle and end. But the overarching themes and stories are still very much present.

    Similarly, it is very easy to spot when each trilogy ends. Legion to BfA has a very distinct change of theme, tone, character roster, setting, etc. Same thing with Shadowlands to Dragonflight.

    Edit:

    I also feel like it's very important to point one thing out. Just because there appears to be these "trilogies" where different themes and stories are explored in a more focused way, that doesn't mean that the expansions only feature these specific themes.

    For example, Old Gods are present in some way in basically every expansion. But in the current trilogy (Void), I would argue the story more clearly hones in on their ultimate goal of the Hour of Twilight. Not just by Blizzard throwing Old Gods in our faces. But in the way their presence is indirectly felt. For example, in the story of Tyr, and why he created the Aspects. In the story of the Elemental Lords, and why the Protodragons started bickering, and how they betrayed their kin for power, etc.

    Similarly, there are obviously undead creatures in most expansions. But there's a more focused story about Death to be found in that trilogy, whereas for the other expansions death is just one part of the rich tapestry that makes up WoW.

    Titan and Burning Legion lore is also present in virtually every expansion. But in the Disorder/Fel trilogy, we get a really cohesive narrative that involves us exploring the impact of the Legion, and ultimately defeating it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luck4 View Post
    I know that's why I said two expansions would be another way to make it work.



    I don't think more patches would make Shadowlands much better because the expansion was unpopular in nearly every aspect: lore, theme, and gameplay. Meanwhile, I think the only weak part of Dragonflight is the lore, since both the gameplay and themes are pretty good.

    I'm not against new characters, but they need build-up. We just meet the Incarnates or the Death Pantheon and proceed to kill them, that's neither fulfilling nor exciting.

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    A World Revamp would allow many story plots to happen on a minor scale in multiple regions, as we saw back in Vanilla, so I dearly hope Blizzard doesn't follow the Cataclysm pattern where everything is about "one threat".
    I dont think DF lore is bad. Its fine. Nothing groundbreaking, but its definitely not as bad as BFA or Shadowlands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Do we have anything encrypted that could be a Blizzcon reward at this point? Though obviously digital tickets will not be available for a while longer.
    That would probably pop up in 10.1.7 or 10.2 datamining.

  5. #8405
    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    I dont think DF lore is bad. Its fine. Nothing groundbreaking, but its definitely not as bad as BFA or Shadowlands.
    I agree, both BFA and SL are beyond terrible IMO, the only thing I liked in BFA was Jaina's story in 8.0, and nothing in SL.

    But I used "weak" to describe DF lore because the Incarnates/Primalists plot is shallow, we never heard about them, nor they were ever hinted before.

    Personally, I really don't care if any of the Incarnates will be redeemed or not, if they're all getting killed, or if their story will be finished in a quest or raid. I'm more interested in speculating what the next expansion is about than how DF will conclude, something that didn't feel back in Legion/Wrath/Cataclysm/Pandaria.

    These are the best memories I have from these expansions, I couldn't care less about the next expansion back when those patches were around the corner:



    I know many people will criticize me, but I was truly hyped for 4.3:





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  6. #8406
    Quote Originally Posted by Skytotem View Post
    Gnome is just from the bad mobile game.

    Lilith... I guess founded sanctuary.
    So what we think Thrall leads us to Alvaloran? or Elemental Expansion?

  7. #8407
    Quote Originally Posted by Eeram View Post
    So what we think Thrall leads us to Alvaloran? or Elemental Expansion?
    I mean he was the world shaman at one point
    The elements connection to him weakening might not be because he cheated in WoD but because there's something wrong and the incarnates could just be making it worse

    Iridikron could have this new demon soul-esque item to drain the power from all of the lords

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    We need 10.2 to either have the frost incarnate or iridikron

    I'm going through old void whispers to see if there's any hints because they normally are decent hints

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    It could also be that Thrall is just important in 10.3

    BTW one thing I haven't seen discussed
    Why is Fyrakk working with Igira? What is she crafting for him? In the suffusion camps the focus clearly is shaping metal to deliver to Igira and Fyrakk. Every NPC tells us so in different ways. So they are making something. Either Igira is making spears to kill the Aspects or she is making Fyrakk plating so he can survive the shadowflame just like Deathwing did. While the second option makes more sense to me, we did just get that fight in Aberrus with Kazzara so it seems unlikely. Maybe something else entirely?
    I really expect that two boss raid to happen.
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  10. #8410
    next expansion will be Undermine with Void theme

  11. #8411
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    It could also be that Thrall is just important in 10.3

    BTW one thing I haven't seen discussed
    Why is Fyrakk working with Igira? What is she crafting for him? In the suffusion camps the focus clearly is shaping metal to deliver to Igira and Fyrakk. Every NPC tells us so in different ways. So they are making something. Either Igira is making spears to kill the Aspects or she is making Fyrakk plating so he can survive the shadowflame just like Deathwing did. While the second option makes more sense to me, we did just get that fight in Aberrus with Kazzara so it seems unlikely. Maybe something else entirely?
    I really expect that two boss raid to happen.
    Oh, I love your theory that Fyrakk's going to be Deathwing 2.0. He already burning people alive when he is in the zone, like DW!! Maybe we can use what ever spears Igira is making to destroy the Incarnates?

  12. #8412
    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    Oh, I love your theory that Fyrakk's going to be Deathwing 2.0. He already burning people alive when he is in the zone, like DW!! Maybe we can use what ever spears Igira is making to destroy the Incarnates?
    I don't know what she is making but she is making something. The plot of the Suffusion camps is that they are making ingots and using molds so they are shaping something made with metal. We know that Igira made those spears that we tried to use on Fyrakk and badly hurt Ebyssian. Maybe she is preparing larger ones to try and kill the Aspects. Or maybe they are making something completely different like a Shadowflame bomb. I just think they'd make a solid two boss raid to finish 10.1.7 and the black dragonflight story (and maybe we can get Ebyssian's custom model)

  13. #8413
    Quote Originally Posted by KayRule View Post
    next expansion will be Undermine with Void theme
    I think i did a thingy once where Y'shaarj returns as a comet and sort of "becomes" part of the new continent and his impact crater cracks open Undermine halfway, involving it nicely and also showing in a funny way that goblins are possibly the most populous faction on Azeroth (I kinda imagine a bit of a humorous scene where even the old gods tire of the amount of goblins that even they just can't seem to get rid of).

    Is that sufficiently void-y?

    I mean the void lords first sent the old gods as comets and we know they're "unkillable", might make sense that Y'shaarj finally managed to regenerate after we "released" his last ties to the physical realm by cleaning up his heart and the Sha in MoP.

    Might also offer a nice way to let the Sha return, as their unique aesthetics were very nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KayRule View Post
    next expansion will be Undermine with Void theme
    Undermine is attached to Tinker class, so unless Blizzard is doing back to back new classes, this is doubtful. Maybe in 12.0, but not 11.0.

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    For fun:

    World of Warcraft: Shadow of Azeroth

    • Azeroth (the Titan) has been corrupted by the Old Gods. Essentially, her corruption affects everything around her, twisting it. Driving people mad. Turning some creatures feral. This is the meaning of the title of the expansion. Their endgame might be to turn her into a Void Lord or something. We need to stall them and turn things around.
    • First raid tier is set in the Elemental Planes, as we stabilise the world's fundament alongside Thrall.
    • World revamp. But some zones start out in a temporary corrupted phase, serving as endgame zones until we've beaten the enemy and cleansed the zone in a patch.
    • Dragons fight alongside us, their flights restored. New World Tree is also blessed, and serves as an anchor to tether Azeroth a little bit from falling too deep.

  16. #8416
    Quote Originally Posted by Eeram View Post
    So what we think Thrall leads us to Alvaloran? or Elemental Expansion?
    Given their thing for 'cycles' (repeating storybeats because they're afraid or incapable of trying something new without alienating the old stuff) that might be it, if they want to redo the arc of Thrall's landing in Kalimdor but do it without the hyper-hostility of the barrens, and pair it alongside a Cata-type exploration of the elements to try a deeper dive into what their deal is.
    Twas brillig

  17. #8417
    Now that everybody is talking about Thrall Blizzcon's key art, I think that It might be interesting to remember this question of Alter Time's interview with Ion two months ago:

    Nos encantó el protagonismo que tuvo Durak en la cadena de misiones Dinásticas. Él y Zekhan parecen ser la sangre nueva que necesita la Horda. ¿Veremos más de él?

    «Creo que las probabilidades son realmente buenas. Creo que cuando introducimos nuevos personajes o aumentamos el protagonismo de algunos de ellos, eso se hace con algún propósito, pero también evaluamos las reacciones de los jugadores con esas historias, si quieren conocer más sobre ellos. Los comentarios son siempre bien recibidos y aunque tal vez no sean un foco inmediato de la historia que estamos contando en Dragonflight ahora mismo, pero ciertamente los Orcos y esa parte de la Horda tras los sucesos de la era Sylvanas, va a ser algo que pase al primer plano en el futuro.»
    Alter Time is a spanish website, as you can see, but the bold part says that Orcs and that part of the Horde, after Sylvanas' era, is something that will come to the fore in the future.

    I think that a world revamp would be a good way to tell that story.
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  18. #8418
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkarath View Post
    Now that everybody is talking about Thrall Blizzcon's key art, I think that It might be interesting to remember this question of Alter Time's interview with Ion two months ago:



    Alter Time is a spanish website, as you can see, but the bold part says that Orcs and that part of the Horde, after Sylvanas' era, is something that will come to the fore in the future.

    I think that a world revamp would be a good way to tell that story.
    Give me some Rexxar and thrall in CGI cinematic, slaying some lightbound asses or just unveiling a new land.
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    Alter Time is a spanish website, as you can see, but the bold part says that Orcs and that part of the Horde, after Sylvanas' era, is something that will come to the fore in the future.

    I think that a world revamp would be a good way to tell that story.
    Well this game did start out with Humans and Orcs.
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  20. #8420
    Having a bit of fun with some of the datamining we've seen so far. If 10.3 or 11.0 doesn't feature a world revamp of some sort, I don't know what to say.

    Updated Ironforge Guard Armour Set
    https://www.wowhead.com/news/updated...31850#comments

    Ironforge has virtually nothing to do with the story of Dragonflight as far as I know, except for the Dragonscale Expedition having some dwarven roots.

    Extremely detailed Scarlet Armour Set
    https://www.wowhead.com/news/partial...0-1-ptr-331862

    This one is thought to be a Trading Post reward. But are we sure? It looks so much better than any previous Trading Post set, which have mostly been either recolours of old sets or consisted of very few parts (and of questionable quality). I think this set looks more like a Shop set, or an in-game promotion of some sort. BlizzCon reward? If it really is for the Trading Post, then it has got to be one of those monthly rewards for completing the entire thing.

    Updated Horde and Alliance buildings and airship
    https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-and...-327800?page=3

    This one just seems like a dead giveaway of a world revamp. We've yet to see anything in Dragonflight which would necessitate anything like this.

    New Weapons seemingly tied to faction, class or race
    https://www.wowhead.com/news/more-th...rde-axe-331945
    https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-s...-331787?page=5
    https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-pla...-swords-331827

    While it's entirely possible some of these are aimed at the Trading Post, or perhaps a returning Mage Tower, it does seem a little fishy.

    Summary

    To me, all of this just suggests even more that we're looking at a world revamp which is very much "back to basics". I can already see the adverts in my head, that I'm sure they'll be running after BlizzCon:

    "Return to Azeroth, relive the most epic adventure of your life."
    "Azeroth needs your help, will you answer the call?"
    "The next era of Warcraft is about to begin. Experience Azeroth like you've never seen it before!"

    Thrall being a major focus and selling point, of course.

    Campaigns and content for your faction, class, and race. Including Renown, unique transmog rewards and so on.

    Just a super down to earth expansion. Naturally, something will be going on in the background. Probably involving the Void or the Elementals. But the world of Azeroth and all its peoples will really be the big selling point.

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