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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post

    This one is thought to be a Trading Post reward. But are we sure? It looks so much better than any previous Trading Post set
    If its a trading post set, then it'd be the monthly reward.


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    Man, those updates to buildings and airships looks really great. Kudos to the art team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    Having a bit of fun with some of the datamining we've seen so far. If 10.3 or 11.0 doesn't feature a world revamp of some sort, I don't know what to say.

    Updated Ironforge Guard Armour Set
    https://www.wowhead.com/news/updated...31850#comments

    Ironforge has virtually nothing to do with the story of Dragonflight as far as I know, except for the Dragonscale Expedition having some dwarven roots.

    Extremely detailed Scarlet Armour Set
    https://www.wowhead.com/news/partial...0-1-ptr-331862

    This one is thought to be a Trading Post reward. But are we sure? It looks so much better than any previous Trading Post set, which have mostly been either recolours of old sets or consisted of very few parts (and of questionable quality). I think this set looks more like a Shop set, or an in-game promotion of some sort. BlizzCon reward? If it really is for the Trading Post, then it has got to be one of those monthly rewards for completing the entire thing.

    Updated Horde and Alliance buildings and airship
    https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-and...-327800?page=3

    This one just seems like a dead giveaway of a world revamp. We've yet to see anything in Dragonflight which would necessitate anything like this.

    New Weapons seemingly tied to faction, class or race
    https://www.wowhead.com/news/more-th...rde-axe-331945
    https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-s...-331787?page=5
    https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-pla...-swords-331827

    While it's entirely possible some of these are aimed at the Trading Post, or perhaps a returning Mage Tower, it does seem a little fishy.

    Summary

    To me, all of this just suggests even more that we're looking at a world revamp which is very much "back to basics". I can already see the adverts in my head, that I'm sure they'll be running after BlizzCon:

    "Return to Azeroth, relive the most epic adventure of your life."
    "Azeroth needs your help, will you answer the call?"
    "The next era of Warcraft is about to begin. Experience Azeroth like you've never seen it before!"

    Thrall being a major focus and selling point, of course.

    Campaigns and content for your faction, class, and race. Including Renown, unique transmog rewards and so on.

    Just a super down to earth expansion. Naturally, something will be going on in the background. Probably involving the Void or the Elementals. But the world of Azeroth and all its peoples will really be the big selling point.
    Dont forget about these updated HD scalemail Armor sets!


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    If we are getting a world revamp in 11.0 I don't expect anything more than a few zones at a time

    If you expect every zone to get updated at once you are going to be disappointed but I do think they can do it piece by piece

    Example
    11.0: 5 leveling zones and a max zone along with capitol areas
    11.0.5: a couple more
    11.0.7: one more
    11.1: two more
    Etc.

    I'm also gonna guarantee the scarlet brotherhood will have a part in the "fordragon's are Calia's lost family" story that was seemingly scrapped in SL (why was she even there"

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    I think the timeskip itself also is a big hint to the revamp, as it has NO relevance to Dragonflight itself.

    Unless Thrall, Calia, the Scarlets, the Forsaken, the Nelves, etc all have a storyline on Tel'abim or whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum Man View Post
    If we are getting a world revamp in 11.0 I don't expect anything more than a few zones at a time

    If you expect every zone to get updated at once you are going to be disappointed but I do think they can do it piece by piece

    Example
    11.0: 5 leveling zones and a max zone along with capitol areas
    11.0.5: a couple more
    11.0.7: one more
    11.1: two more
    Etc.

    I'm also gonna guarantee the scarlet brotherhood will have a part in the "fordragon's are Calia's lost family" story that was seemingly scrapped in SL (why was she even there"

    While splitting it up in chunks is possible, I see a few issues with that.

    1. Doing it 1-3 zones per patch or whatever, it'll take them a decade to finish all of it. By the time they're done, the first ones will already look old, and the world will look like a mishmash of old and new.

    2. I imagine it's harder for them to tell a compelling narrative and introduce good gameplay features if they're either limited to a handful of zones in the beginning, or have to settle with spreading their new content across old and new zones.

    3. In case they want to aim big and restructure the continents (more natural zone barriers, flying in Silvermoon etc), I think it needs to be done in one go. Because they'd probably have to rebuild the landscape from the ground up in a new instance. How would they handle the whole landscaping deal if it's not done all at once?

    It'll be a messy experience.

    If they revamp the world in chunks, it probably have to be larger ones. For example half of Eastern Kingdoms in one go.

    But even then, I see potential marketing issues. It's tricky to get people hyped up about returning to WoW, if the pitch is: "You may return to the areas around Stormwind and Ironforge. Sorry, Horde."

    I really think they've been building a major revamp for many years. At least since BfA when they crammed new Ashenvale and Barrens assets into WSG and then never used them again.
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    Looks pretty good, minus the helm.

    On revamp: I'll believe it when I see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Looks pretty good, minus the helm.

    On revamp: I'll believe it when I see it.
    I just really hope it's at least larger scaled zones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    I just really hope it's at least larger scaled zones.
    Can i ask do you think DF zones were large or because of dragon flying it didnt feel as large?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    I just really hope it's at least larger scaled zones.
    That’s honestly the only thing that would get me hyped for a revamp. I also see it as least likely as it would necessitate a wholesale revamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    I just really hope it's at least larger scaled zones.
    What do you mean by that(Honest question)? Combining zones or making zones bigger, I'm curious what you mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    It could also be that Thrall is just important in 10.3

    BTW one thing I haven't seen discussed
    Why is Fyrakk working with Igira? What is she crafting for him? In the suffusion camps the focus clearly is shaping metal to deliver to Igira and Fyrakk. Every NPC tells us so in different ways. So they are making something. Either Igira is making spears to kill the Aspects or she is making Fyrakk plating so he can survive the shadowflame just like Deathwing did. While the second option makes more sense to me, we did just get that fight in Aberrus with Kazzara so it seems unlikely. Maybe something else entirely?
    I really expect that two boss raid to happen.
    I think we’re getting a mini-raid in 10.1.7. Fyrakk has been the main villain of the Black DF in Season 2, so it makes sense for him to go down in this season. Ebyssian, Wrathion, and Sabellian can show their character growth by working together to bring down their foe, and we definitely do need Ebyssian to show that he’s worthy of being the Black Aspect not just character-wise, but also power-wise. I think by the end, Iridikron will come in and suck up Fyrakk’s Shadowflame into his Dragon Soul-like device.

  13. #8433
    Quote Originally Posted by Eeram View Post
    Can i ask do you think DF zones were large or because of dragon flying it didnt feel as large?
    They are fairly large in general. I think Dragonriding probably makes them feel smaller than they actually are, but they are still large even with that. If we were just riding on the ground at 100% speed, a zone like Azure Span would be absolutely massive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    What do you mean by that(Honest question)? Combining zones or making zones bigger, I'm curious what you mean.
    I mean the latter. Combining zones is sort of irrelevant and doesn't actually accomplish much. Like, you could combine Elwynn, Redridge, Westfall and Duskwood into "Elwynn", but that won't address the actual problem, which is that those zones (nearly all Vanilla zones) were built from the perspective of even epic riding being a fairly late luxury.

    A zone like Elwynn forest was built to be a forest when you are running around at level 1-10, without even 60% riding, just moving about at regular run speed. It's a small wooded area in the modern game. Even with 310% flying it's a quick zip across that forest, combing Duskwood into it still results in a fairly small-ish forest region. It doesn't feel like an expansive forest you can go get lost in. It did back in the day, but especially in the context of a revamp, it's size becomes a limiting factor.

    Ditto a zone like STV. Even recombined into the original single zone, STV is quite small. It's not some sprawling expansive jungle in the way that Azure Span is a massive region of pine forest.

    There's only a couple zones (The Barrens, Tanaris, Desolace) that actually have a decent breadth to them, and barrens aside, even those are a quick traversal.

    I think it's difficult to appreciate just how small old zones are. Here is the view from the hills up by Everbloom's portal in Stormwind. Look at how close Sentinel hill (more than halfway down westfall) and the great tree (the halfway point in Duskwood) are. It's a quick jog. It takes like 20 seconds on an Evoker using soar to get from Stormwind to Duskwood.

    This problem is made even worse by dragonriding, because you move through a zone so fast.

    So I hope that they realize this problem, and understand that to have any hope of capturing the sense of exploration in a revmap, they need to bump up scale. Forests need to feel like large forests. A town like Goldshire needs to feel like an actual town, not like a single Inn with a blacksmith and a nearby house. Stranglethorn needs to be an expansive jungle. Tanaris needs to be a massive desert, especially if they're updating gadgetzan to be the metropolis it's supposed to be in the lore. The large lakes, Loch Modan, Moonglade's Elune'ara, Darrowmere (the scholo lake) need to be actually large lakes, not small lakes you can bound across in a couple seconds with a casual one button press on a dragonriding mount.

    The vanilla scale of biomes just doesn't work as well in the current game. They should be larger.

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    That sounds much cooler and I'd wouldn't mind it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post
    No way they're going to miss the opportunity of having Metzen announcing the next expansion if he's around T-T that would be brilliant
    He may not want to with his anxiety and all. I wont blame him if he doesn't, but it would be epic.

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    What would be a good megadungeon, or multiple, in the revamp?

    Scarlet Monastery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    What would be a good megadungeon, or multiple, in the revamp?

    Scarlet Monastery?
    I think they should remake Blackrock Depths and Scarlet monastery.

    BRD would be hype as a mega dungeon imo.

    It could be our first 14 boss mega dungeon. Split into 4 dungeons for the following season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    Thats nice. I hope it will benefit the story direction and tone of the game going forward. I feel like DF is heading too much into hello kitty territory with all the over the top stageplay voice acting. It doesnt need to be grim dark like Diablo, but some classic-wrath/wod-Legion tone would be nice.
    Actually, remember how in his rehiring blog post it was said he was going to be on the WoW team for a bit before moving to help with other projects? What big expansion would they need THE lore guy to help on? A world revamp. Him coming back to assist with the lore and world building for a world revamp makes so much sense tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    No Faction Schisms, let the Alliance not deal with the same stuff the Horde has had to tolerate...twice.
    I could see 1 patch with some fighting but a truce happens before all out War. 1 single patch of a large expansion dedicated to alliance troubles and some skirmishes with the horde could be fun. As long as its not a major focus of the expansion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    This might be cope, but Thrall's armor looks much brighter/contrasting than it was in BFA and SL. Maybe a return to his vanilla color scheme, and an overall Vanilla themed expansion?
    Inb4 We lose in 10.2 finale and the expoansion sends us back to Vanilla WoW but modern and all updated. Literally the same lore and stuff as vanilla but with modern gameplay and systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    What would be a good megadungeon, or multiple, in the revamp?

    Scarlet Monastery?
    I would sorta hope they'd just make a bunch of new dungeons. Don't really need to clear Scholo, Deadmines, SM and SFK a third time. Shadowforge city and BRD should be a proper dwarven and gnome held questing area by this point, not still full of enemies, same with Stratholme and Gnomer.

    Make Depths of Lordaeron the new megadungeon. Add Ruins of Theramore, Azerite Falls under the Wound in Silithus, Gadgetzan Back Alleys, The Scarlet Enclave, The Husk in the burned out trunk of Teldrassil, Tel'abim.

    Feels like there's not much reason for a third version of WC or ST or Mara and BFD again, when those instances exist both in cata form and perpetually in Classic. Maybe throw in like one updated old raid or instance (Grim Batol, ZF, AQ) where new forces or something have moved in.

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    Or hear me out, WoW 2.0 a new engine new game this time we would do it right by restarting from the very beginning xD can you imagine how angry people who are attached to their characters would be.

    To be honest with how people are loving classic rn I wouldnt put it past them to try a reboot of sorts.

    Although personally im hoping for a world revamp and I would definitely return to lvl a new character through it.

  20. #8440
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    They're not gonna reboot everything.
    I never said they would but I still wouldnt put it past them to think of it, not that I care current wow is proper shit atm but so are all mmo's tbh.

    Wow has a massive problem right now that it is TOO big and alot of the content is made completely irrelevant to the point new players look at the game and think F that it's not worth the energy, Blizz needs to attract fresh blood because a majority of the playerbase is falling off due to rl commitments and age, WoW's playerbase is literally old people who are toxic as hell to eachother.
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