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    Not to mention that neither of you in any way explains how that would actually help.
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    It helps by providing a linear, progressive lvling experience where the player starts from the ground up and progressively moves from one zone to the next, steadily getting to know Azeroth in the process and gradually watching your character grow in power.

    Unlike now, where players are dropped in the middle of stormwind, provided with 50 different ways to lvl their character, of which only 1 is correct if they are a newcomer or returning player and get punished with convolution and restriction if they dare to pick any other way.
    All of which are outdated and give absolutely no context as to who the people are you are interacting with, let alone why you are there in the first place.

    The game also dunks a whole bucket full of outdated, unnecessary, confusing features that nobody needs or should need to deal with.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Yeah and prior to WC3 and whatnot, the Titans were never a thing either outside of maybe Sargeras lol

    Give them time, the First Ones were literally just introduced in SL. Y'all think this shit is rushed yet don't actually put in the effort to wait when asked to, since the Progenitor stuff is clearly going to last the coming decade or two.
    Did you forget about Zovaal already?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    I did not, and Zovaal's stuff isn't the only time the Progenitor plot is gonna be showcased. Hell, the Progenitor stuff wasn't rushed at all. We've seen 1 workshop and even now are getting bits and pieces of information all around.
    But Zovaal himself was rushed, especially with how they marketed him. He was supposed to be this background force that manipulated events that spanned thousands of years, and he got dealt with almost as fast as the Thunder King from MoP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    ##

    It helps by providing a linear, progressive lvling experience where the player starts from the ground up and progressively moves from one zone to the next, steadily getting to know Azeroth in the process and gradually watching your character grow in power.

    Unlike now, where players are dropped in the middle of stormwind, provided with 50 different ways to lvl their character, of which only 1 is correct if they are a newcomer or returning player and get punished with convolution and restriction if they dare to pick any other way.
    All of which are outdated and give absolutely no context as to who the people are you are interacting with, let alone why you are there in the first place.

    The game also dunks a whole bucket full of outdated, unnecessary, confusing features that nobody needs or should need to deal with.
    Couldn't have put it better myself.

    11.0 could be just a revamp with a much better new and returning player experience and the exact same end game systems as DF and I would count that as a major Win for the game. DF end game is a solid, and it can wait an additional expansion to be built upon.

    Now we need to build the foundation of the game. IE everything before max level.

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    Having race specific starting zones again would honestly be pretty sweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Chromie time is not elegant and likely confusing for newer players.
    Chromie time is straight-up not available to new players. And none of what you say has anything to do with a revamp. It could be just as easily done with a new zone as a revamped one, if not more easily because revamping is usually more work then simply making a fresh one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    It helps by providing a linear, progressive lvling experience where the player starts from the ground up and progressively moves from one zone to the next, steadily getting to know Azeroth in the process and gradually watching your character grow in power.
    Which is unrelated to a revamp in any way, shape or form.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Unlike now, where players are dropped in the middle of stormwind, provided with 50 different ways to lvl their character, of which only 1 is correct if they are a newcomer or returning player
    And the remaining 49 aren't even available to newcomers in the first place, so your complaint already lost most of its relevance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Chromie time is straight-up not available to new players. And none of what you say has anything to do with a revamp. It could be just as easily done with a new zone as a revamped one, if not more easily because revamping is usually more work then simply making a fresh one.



    Which is unrelated to a revamp in any way, shape or form.



    And the remaining 49 aren't even available to newcomers in the first place, so your complaint already lost most of its relevance.
    Chromie time will be available for new players in 10.1.5 so my point stands.

    You are very anti world revamp. Its plain to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    There's always been some forshadowing though.... Even Wod forshadowed Archimonde's coming to Draenor via that one toy.
    Foreshadowing and build-up take time or investment, in an MMO like WoW where the story develops extremely slowly the only way to achieve a fulfilling level is by taking time, since they don't have the resources to make a fulfilling story in a short period.

    My problem with WoW since mid-BFA is that Blizzard introduces a new story and finishes it ASAP, even those that had a bit of build-up previously like Azshara and N'zoth's.

    So, unless Blizzard starts making standalone games like Warcraft 3, other media such as TV Series/Animated Series, or do a World Revamp to seed the lore in the scope of Vanilla, to work as supplementary material for WoW lore going forward, we'll keep having expansions like Shadowlands with shallow and generic stories with zero hype/anticipation.

    Why do I think we need to go back to Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms?

    Because we have already seen the conclusion of every other story plot that was meaningful enough to justify an expansion.

    Yes, I know there're places we haven't seen, and there're threats to be dealt with, but all these examples lack proper introduction and development before justifying an expansion.

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    https://i.redd.it/ab3ocd42krab1.png

    Someone posted a concept of what zones could look like if revamped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    https://i.redd.it/ab3ocd42krab1.png

    Someone posted a concept of what zones could look like if revamped.
    Looks more like someone just took screenshots of recent zones and slapped the older zones' names on it. I'm 99% sure that Tanaris one is just Vol'dun, for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    Looks more like someone just took screenshots of recent zones and slapped the older zones' names on it. I'm 99% sure that Tanaris one is just Vol'dun, for example.
    Yes. Silverpine is Revendreth(?), Feralas is the spriggand pool in Val'sharah, Dustwallow is Nazmir, Tirisfal is Drustvar, Stonetalon is Highmountain, STV is Zuldazar, Loch Modan is Tiragarde Sound, Durotar is Gorgrond.

    That said, this does present an interesting point of discussion, in that a 100% revamped zone can potentially vastly change the main color aesthetic for a zone. Draenor nagrand has a much more orange fringed look compared to Outland Nagrand's yellow, Terokkar is dark green-blue, but Talador is autumnal red-orange.

    Should zones keep their old coloration or be updated to something new?



    Should Tanaris be it's classic sort of pale yellow/egg-shell with yellow-orange mountain spikes, or should it be a full white sand desert? Should Elwynn stay yellow-green or move to a more forest green?
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    I think some changes to color palette and lighting of certain zones like presented on screenshots above would be nice, you have old revamped area plus also some new feeling when visiting them.

    After reading many posts about world revamp i think i have to start keeping my hype in check and prepare for just another 4-5 zone island in next expansion so i won't be dissappointed, i mean i will still be but.. yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    Looks more like someone just took screenshots of recent zones and slapped the older zones' names on it. I'm 99% sure that Tanaris one is just Vol'dun, for example.

    Screenshots of existing zones or no, they do give us a nice idea how certain older zones could look like given the chance.


    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    And the remaining 49 aren't even available to newcomers in the first place, so your complaint already lost most of its relevance.
    You are basically just admitting you haven't ever interacted with a newcomer, let alone lvl your own characters in any recent time.

    Newcomers absolutely DO have access to those 49 other ways.
    All they need to do is, not pick the Tides of War quest and go literally everywhere else.

    And that happens all the damn time.

    Hell, the game actively leads you to a quest board and doesn't direct you to the BfA starting quest.

    Chromie time isn't some exclusive way to access zones, all it does it scale expansion content to your character and give you the dungeon list.
    Newcomers don't need it to lvl someplace else, they never did.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Chromie time will be available for new players in 10.1.5 so my point stands.

    You are very anti world revamp. Its plain to see.
    Ye, and you know why? Because each time we come close to new expansion reveal people start to spam same shit how revamp is needed, how it can save WoW and attract new players and basically how it can be THE BEST thing ever. And they flip backwards trying to justify how it can all be easily done w/o any harm to endgame content. Even YouTubers join the bait-train for easy clicks. And then revamp doesn't come and we repeat entire process next time. Y'all joined Tinkers crowd with your obsessiveness. Yet another topic that regularly pollutes the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceveris View Post
    Excuse me but... how does talking about revamp derail the thread of speculation about the next expansion? Are you aware that even the OP is team revamp?

    Then if people talk about it so much, it's because there's a big demand. Why does this bother you more than other speculations?
    Dunno, why do you keep making new accounts after being banned for racism, Utsuko?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Yet another topic that regularly pollutes the thread.
    It's talked about so much because of the demand for it and the community backing, and because its the easiest topic to built discussions around.

    You could start a discussion about Avaloren, Ka'resh and whatever other place we can go to, but at the end of the day those places only exist as names right now.
    While we can endlessly discuss the potential narrative direction of pretty much any Azeroth zone, as we have enough lore and plotlines to work with.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    It's talked about so much because of the demand for it and the community backing, and because its the easiest topic to built discussions around.
    Not really sure about this high demand. It all seems like some people here (and YouTubers) are trying to sell us an unrealistic dream.
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    I hope it will be on PTR soon
    https://twitter.com/algalon_ghost/st...92640265256960
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Rider View Post
    Vendor 3 (wowv3)
    I hope it will be on PTR soon
    https://twitter.com/algalon_ghost/st...92640265256960
    promoting your own tweets I see ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skildar View Post
    promoting your own tweets I see ^^
    lol, no I wish I could have so much technical skills

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