1. #9181
    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post
    Errrrr I don't know Legion, BfA (at least KT and Zandalar), SL and Dragon Isles were favourites of a great deal of people here. I feel like only MoP and WoD were the true outsiders that no one saw coming-
    Hence the "even when it's the expected theme/villain".

    A lot of people were expecting a 'Burning Legion' expansion coming down the pipeline. No one was expecting a Broken Isles expansion with Extra-Night Night Elves, the Emerald Nightmare, Mountain Tauren and Vrykul directly serving a titan watcher. When we got the picture leak that had Illidan, the Illidari, Syvlanas, Ashbringer, the Silverhand, Naga and Wardens, people thought it was ludicrous.

    People, even the week leading up to BfA announcement and when we got the Lordaeron symbol leak, thought BfA was going to be a Lordaeron 2.0 revamp/Council of Glades sort of thing. When the entire Lordaeron bit was just a prepatch thing. Even with the KT armor set people weren't expecting a dual continent KT/Zandalar world-spanning expansion about a war for crystallized titan blood that progresses into going to Nazjatar and Ny'alotha which is actually a dream state of reality not a physical plane or place.

    SL and Dragon Isles were only "accurate" in the sense that both those locations were so completely vague prior to the two expansions, that there was nothing to actually 'see coming' besides the name of the place.


    My point is that the expansion has pretty much never actually been what was assumed. It could very well be Avaloren... and Avaloren could be the Titan designation for one of the two moons of Azeroth, and 11.0 could be some sort of BC-esque extremely exotic environment fantasy expansion. It could be a revamp but at the end of 10.2.5 or 10.3 the player characters and some NPCs get stasis locked and 11.0 takes place 250 years in the future in a totally different looking Azeroth. It could be a void expansion but it's not K'aresh, that's just 11.3 or the final raid, and the continent is Azjol'Nerub under the unified Nerubian/Naga forces as a new void empire.

    So the idea that any given expansion is "clearly" going to be some specific idea is sort of self-contradictory, every guess that isn't just an outright leak is just a shot in the dark hoping to graze part of some nebulous whole.

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    If I recall correctly, during pre-WoD leak season is when Heroes of the Storm was trademarked and we knew nothing about it apart from the name. Some of the folk here were predicting that could have been the WoW expansion, with theories relating to again, Outland, as well as potentially an elemental planes expansion. It was a very long time ago though so my memory of it is a bit sketchy. Just vividly remember discussion surrounding the HotS name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Actually there was an Iron Horde texture file leaked way before the expansion announcement. There were posts about it at the time.
    Pretty useless as a leak when we had no concept of “Iron Horde” at the time, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post
    Exactly this- I remember how we were all stunned at this like "wtf? it's real?"
    "They have to call Grom 'Grommash' instead because of a motorcycle" was laughed at at the time and seen as a sign it was nonsense
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  5. #9185
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    11.0 will "clearly" be a lot of things, but if like 6 rounds of these threads has taught me anything it's that the expansion is rarely the thing everyone clearly thought it was going to be even when it's the expected theme/villain.
    If it's not some nebulous "multi-theme on the box" expansion, I can see it being Scarlets as the main figures for a Light expansion. Even if they were mooks in the past they are hugely popular and the build-up is there. New Avalon/Avaloren as well.

    Nobody is really expecting the Scarlets in a large capacity either. It's usually Light/Yrel/Turalyon.... and Scarlets too, or something similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    If I recall correctly, during pre-WoD leak season is when Heroes of the Storm was trademarked and we knew nothing about it apart from the name. Some of the folk here were predicting that could have been the WoW expansion, with theories relating to again, Outland, as well as potentially an elemental planes expansion. It was a very long time ago though so my memory of it is a bit sketchy. Just vividly remember discussion surrounding the HotS name.
    I wanna say The Dark Below was around this time as well? I could be mistaken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Izalla View Post
    "They have to call Grom 'Grommash' instead because of a motorcycle" was laughed at at the time and seen as a sign it was nonsense
    Honestly I am still baffled by having to call Grom Grommash because of the motorcycle thing. Grom existed well before Honda made the thing. Its not like there'd be confusion between the two, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Izalla View Post
    I wanna say The Dark Below was around this time as well? I could be mistaken.
    I believe that was then too yeah.

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    Next 6 month sub mount probably will be some kind of tease.

  9. #9189
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    So the idea that any given expansion is "clearly" going to be some specific idea is sort of self-contradictory, every guess that isn't just an outright leak is just a shot in the dark hoping to graze part of some nebulous whole.
    Have to agree. We will probably have a good idea on some elements but at the end of the day there will be far more that will be completely different to speculation.

    Heck look at Evokers. We DID speculate about a race that is also a class and is draconic themed but nothing like what was delivered.

  10. #9190
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post

    Heck look at Evokers. We DID speculate about a race that is also a class and is draconic themed but nothing like what was delivered.
    And at one point it was thought that evokers were going to take a lot of stuff from Arcane Mages, too, but in the end it was only the name Evoker.

  11. #9191
    Quote Originally Posted by Izalla View Post
    I wanna say The Dark Below was around this time as well? I could be mistaken.
    Corgis Unleashed too which was rightly seen as a joke by most but a few posters theorised Corgis could be a Void Lord lol.

  12. #9192
    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Personally I think we are looking at 1 more major patch and 4 more minor patches.

    10.1.7- mid september
    10.2- late November
    10.2.5- Early February
    10.2.7- Early April
    10.2.9- Early June all 3 raids in one patch with a small amount of new world content
    11.0 prepatch- early November.
    11.0 expansion- late November
    11.0 raid launch- Somewhere around December 9th.
    They will probably do fated raids again after 10.2. I don't see what else they would do that's very significant.

  13. #9193
    The story behind the WoD leak (I may be misremembering some things.)
    I was an active member of Scrolls of Lore, and another active member worked at blizzard as customer service or something. A couple weeks before blizzcon, it was "all hands on deck", so most of the company got a glimpse of what was being announced.
    He wrote up the "leak" in an email and sent it to me, Red shirt guy, and maybe 5 to 10 others that he felt were trustworthy. One guy (wasn't me) copy-pasted it to Mmo champ and SoL.
    Hoping to protect the leakers identity so that he didn't get fired, RSG asked one of the mods of SoL to remove the post. That mod was an intern at blizz and simped hard for the dev team, so instead of helping the guy, he ratted him out which got the leaker fired, sent back to his home country, and aided in the eventual death of SoL.

  14. #9194
    If I recall correctly, these were the main leaks/theories discussed the last few leak seasons.

    Pre-WoD:

    - The actual WoD leak.

    - I vaguely remember some discussion around the WoD name being accurate but the content not, and that the Warlords would be Legion commanders on a new part of Outland.

    - The Dark Below

    - Heroes of the Storm

    - Corgis Unleashed. Rightfully seen as a meme by most but was some genuine discussion surrounding Corgis being the name of a Void Lord. Yes, that happened.

    Pre-Legion:

    - Azshara/Naga centric expansion, mainly South Seas. Purely because of the shipyard.

    - Council of Glades. I remember at the time of this being “leaked”, the majority of folk were happy to assume this would be the one.

    - Ogre island south of Draenor was discussed, with Legion influence. Corrupting the Ogres instead of the orcs.

    Pre-BfA

    - World revamp because of Sargeras sword.

    - Kul’Tiras because of the data mined items.

    - An expansion focused on reclaiming Lordaeron.

    Pre-SL:

    - Dragon Isles cause of Wrathion mentions and Island Expeditions

    - The fake Shadowlands map leak that Asmongold and Pyromancer were championing.

    - Wrath of the Bolvar

    - Wrath of the Lich Queen (Sylvanas takes the crown, revamped Northrend)

    - The Undead in SW harbour.

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    It seems quite likely we'll get a patch 10.2.5, 10.2.7, and 10.3.

    Why? Well, 4 seasons is the norm right now. For Dragonflight, seasons release with major patches. So with season 3 coming in 10.2, it stands to reason that season 4 comes with 10.3.

    It also makes a lot of sense to keep going with the same patch cadence people are used to, at least for the first six months of 2024 (Dragonflight's third quarter, if you will). So with 10.2 coming out in early November most likely, we've easily got room for 3 more patches before we head into a six month content gap before 11.0.

    Besides, the story might necessitate another few patches.

    We've done the stories for the Black, Blue, and Bronze flights once we head into 10.1.5. Green will probably get some build-up in 10.1.7 and then conclude in 10.2, just like they did for the Black flight. Then after that, the remaining patches will be for the Red flight as well as some general story progression Void/Elementals/Etc.

    There's even a tiny chance 10.3 might be the World Revamp, or the moment when the Old Gods take over Azeroth and thus leaving the revamp for later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    Pre-Legion:

    - Azshara/Naga centric expansion, mainly South Seas. Purely because of the shipyard.
    So I remember this because “Eye of Azshara” was trademarked (or copyrighted?) by blizzard a good bit before the announcement so we thought it was the name of the expansion.

    But it ended up just being the name of the dungeon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    If I recall correctly, these were the main leaks/theories discussed the last few leak seasons.

    Pre-WoD:

    - The actual WoD leak.

    - I vaguely remember some discussion around the WoD name being accurate but the content not, and that the Warlords would be Legion commanders on a new part of Outland.

    - The Dark Below

    - Heroes of the Storm

    - Corgis Unleashed. Rightfully seen as a meme by most but was some genuine discussion surrounding Corgis being the name of a Void Lord. Yes, that happened.

    Pre-Legion:

    - Azshara/Naga centric expansion, mainly South Seas. Purely because of the shipyard.

    - Council of Glades. I remember at the time of this being “leaked”, the majority of folk were happy to assume this would be the one.

    - Ogre island south of Draenor was discussed, with Legion influence. Corrupting the Ogres instead of the orcs.

    Pre-BfA

    - World revamp because of Sargeras sword.

    - Kul’Tiras because of the data mined items.

    - An expansion focused on reclaiming Lordaeron.

    Pre-SL:

    - Dragon Isles cause of Wrathion mentions and Island Expeditions

    - The fake Shadowlands map leak that Asmongold and Pyromancer were championing.

    - Wrath of the Bolvar

    - Wrath of the Lich Queen (Sylvanas takes the crown, revamped Northrend)

    - The Undead in SW harbour.
    Good list. IIRC, there have been more discussions around datamined items. Wasn't there some metal object or whatever in 5.4 that said Iron Horde?

    Oh and when was Wrath or Eye of Azshara?

  18. #9198
    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    If I recall correctly, these were the main leaks/theories discussed the last few leak seasons.

    Pre-WoD:

    - The actual WoD leak.

    - I vaguely remember some discussion around the WoD name being accurate but the content not, and that the Warlords would be Legion commanders on a new part of Outland.

    - The Dark Below

    - Heroes of the Storm

    - Corgis Unleashed. Rightfully seen as a meme by most but was some genuine discussion surrounding Corgis being the name of a Void Lord. Yes, that happened.

    Pre-Legion:

    - Azshara/Naga centric expansion, mainly South Seas. Purely because of the shipyard.

    - Council of Glades. I remember at the time of this being “leaked”, the majority of folk were happy to assume this would be the one.

    - Ogre island south of Draenor was discussed, with Legion influence. Corrupting the Ogres instead of the orcs.

    Pre-BfA

    - World revamp because of Sargeras sword.

    - Kul’Tiras because of the data mined items.

    - An expansion focused on reclaiming Lordaeron.

    Pre-SL:

    - Dragon Isles cause of Wrathion mentions and Island Expeditions

    - The fake Shadowlands map leak that Asmongold and Pyromancer were championing.

    - Wrath of the Bolvar

    - Wrath of the Lich Queen (Sylvanas takes the crown, revamped Northrend)

    - The Undead in SW harbour.
    Pre-SL leaks were almost entirely about Dragon Isles and Shadowlands. They ended up being the next 2 expansions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    Good list. IIRC, there have been more discussions around datamined items. Wasn't there some metal object or whatever in 5.4 that said Iron Horde?

    Oh and when was Wrath or Eye of Azshara?
    Yeah, I remember the Iron Horde datamined discussion. It was briefly flirted with as an expansion idea but the consensus seemed to be we wouldn’t have an expansion so similar to Siege of Org right after Siege of Org had ended.

    Eye of Azshara was datamined during pre-Legion leak season. This was around the time when we began to take notice of Blizzard testing ideas and techs in the current expansion and utilising them to greater effect in the following expansion. The Halfhill in MoP leading to the Garrison in WoD was the main example. So the name, along with the shipyard introduced in the final WoD patch had us convinced for a time that the expansion that would end up being Legion, would be a seafaring South Seas expansion expanding on the Garrison and shipyard technology to give us our own ships as we take the fight to Azshara.

    As @Nightshade711 has said though, that name ultimately ended up being used for the dungeon in Legion instead.

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    On the subject of us lot discussing theories. Remember when a lot of us during Dragonflight leak season were convinced this guy was a Blizzard employee sent here to get discussion and hype riled up?

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