1. #12401
    So if we have a Japanese style expansion we can actually get good looking weapons like tia tia

    In terms of bosses we might see there could be
    Masked oni
    Giant catfish and the guards
    Warlords

    I'm excited at this idea because MoP remains my favorite expansion

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    Screw it make medan canon and have him be the MC as we are the supporting cast in the next expansion

  2. #12402
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Only in the way I already explained: Azshara already discovered Neltharian's plan & Iridikron just beat her to it. If not wouldn't we have already seen Naga helping the Primalists? They're not working together.
    I'm not so sure...

    The text makes it sound like the Naga have direct contact with the Harbinger. Besides, we've seen Xal'atath and Azshara in cahoots in the past, and now the Harbinger awaited Iridikron literally behind an umbral veil. Xal'atath was down there for thousands of years. I think they came to an understanding to topple N'Zoth together and then preceed with this plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Once again, why are we resorting to random ass insults?

    Pandaria has a lot of Chinese, Mongolian, and Japanese influence. How is this false?
    You said Japanese/Chinese expansion in Pandaria, completely not realizing that Pandaria was asian themed all around. TLDR: That theme was touched upon already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    I'm not so sure...

    The text makes it sound like the Naga have direct contact with the Harbinger. Besides, we've seen Xal'atath and Azshara in cahoots in the past, and now the Harbinger awaited Iridikron literally behind an umbral veil. Xal'atath was down there for thousands of years. I think they came to an understanding to topple N'Zoth together and then preceed with this plan.
    Waiting.... 10,000 years. And it doesn't suggest "direct" contact, since this was all the result of Neltharian's research & he clearly wrote everything down. As in, around the same time Neltharian was getting corrupted, Azshara made a pact with N'zoth & turned her people into Naga. It seems likely they collaborated on some level. Or at the very least Azshara would have had particular interest in Neltharian's research: She's had a lot of time to uncover it: But Iridikron's goals & Azshara's goals are not exactly the same...

    I just think its equally as likely that Iridikron & Azshara join forces as it is that Azshara might join forces with the players to stop him, just like she did with N'zoth.

  5. #12405
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    You said Japanese/Chinese expansion in Pandaria, completely not realizing that Pandaria was asian themed all around. TLDR: That theme was touched upon already.
    Pandaria for sure got its influences from all over south east Asia, focusing primarily on China but also bringing in some references from other cultures. That said, if Japan was part of it, I don't think it was super obvious. The Mogu, I'm guessing, are inspired by the Terracotta army and not the Samuari?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Waiting.... 10,000 years. And it doesn't suggest "direct" contact, since this was all the result of Neltharian's research & he clearly wrote everything down. As in, around the same time Neltharian was getting corrupted, Azshara made a pact with N'zoth & turned her people into Naga. It seems likely they collaborated on some level. Or at the very least Azshara would have had particular interest in Neltharian's research: She's had a lot of time to uncover it: But Iridikron's goals & Azshara's goals are not exactly the same...

    I just think its equally as likely that Iridikron & Azshara join forces as it is that Azshara might join forces with the players to stop him, just like she did with N'zoth.
    I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm also not eager to jump at conclusions.

    I do believe Iridikron is just a fool out for vengeance and destruction. He probably has a bone to pick with the Titans, and I'm sure we'll find out more in War of the Scaleborn later this autumn. I think he's being used by the Harbinger and Azshara. I think the Harbinger is "harbinging" Azshara's return to Azeroth. That's their pact right now. She's acquiring the tools needed. But what Azshara might not know is Xal'atath's true nature, and intentions.

    I find these Xal'atath quotes interesting:

    Xal'atath whispers: At times it seems the naga beg from scraps from the Legion's table. But the queen they serve want far more than that.
    Xal'atath whispers: It took ages to make my return to the surface after the Sundering. The naga can be so possessive of artifacts.

  6. #12406
    I don't want another asian themed expansion. It could be very beautiful but peoplle will spend the whole expansion comparing it to Mists of Pandaria.

    I would love it so much if we could get back to a more medieval expansion instead. Kul tiras didn't work well enough for me with this, I'm convinced they could do better, probably darker even

  7. #12407
    Quote Originally Posted by Skildar View Post
    I don't want another asian themed expansion. It could be very beautiful but peoplle will spend the whole expansion comparing it to Mists of Pandaria.

    I would love it so much if we could get back to a more medieval expansion instead. Kul tiras didn't work well enough for me with this, I'm convinced they could do better, probably darker even
    The problem with a medieval expansion is that its nigh-impossible without touching the EK. Though I think with its Avalon name, there's a slight chance that they will throw everyone off with Avaloren and is some human kingdoms nobody has ever heard of.

  8. #12408
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    The problem with a medieval expansion is that its nigh-impossible without touching the EK. Though I think with its Avalon name, there's a slight chance that they will throw everyone off with Avaloren and is some human kingdoms nobody has ever heard of.
    That's my biggest hope, that Avaloren is inhabited by another branch of humans descended from vrykul who went there at some point and they built an Arthurian-like kingdom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    The problem with a medieval expansion is that its nigh-impossible without touching the EK. Though I think with its Avalon name, there's a slight chance that they will throw everyone off with Avaloren and is some human kingdoms nobody has ever heard of.
    Avaloren IMO is more likely to be not related to any of the already known races.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nokster10 View Post
    That's my biggest hope, that Avaloren is inhabited by another branch of humans descended from vrykul who went there at some point and they built an Arthurian-like kingdom
    Ohhh this is a neat idea too. Could be home to a different kind of humans, hopefully thinner than the current ones.

    I would love a dark medieval setting. Bring Dark Souls all the way.
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  11. #12411
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Considering the continent's seeming mysteries and whatnot, I don't think it's ruled by anything Titan related.
    Based on the zero information you have?

  12. #12412
    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    I do believe Iridikron is just a fool out for vengeance and destruction. He probably has a bone to pick with the Titans, and I'm sure we'll find out more in War of the Scaleborn later this autumn. I think he's being used by the Harbinger and Azshara. I think the Harbinger is "harbinging" Azshara's return to Azeroth. That's their pact right now. She's acquiring the tools needed. But what Azshara might not know is Xal'atath's true nature, and intentions.
    But according to the note, everything Iridikron needs, he already has: He doesn't need Azshara or Xal'atath. The plan is ready to go, and the gurlies aren't contributing anything. Azshara & Xal'atath never had the means to do the plan because the Dragon Isles were locked away & they didn't have a way to travel through time. Maybe if Azshara or Xal'atath somehow brought the plan from Neltharian to Iridikron, they would be part of it, but as far as we know its entirely possible he discovered the plan on his own: Iridikron would have had contact with Neltharian way before Azshara did.

    Plus if we're basing power-levels by how ancient a character is Iridikron is more powerful than Azshara and might even be much older & more powerful than Xal'atath. They've never established exactly how ancient Galakrond is and he & his children are constantly talking about "before" and "after" the Titans came as something they themselves experienced. So they're at least 150,000 years old: Literally older than recorded Azerothian history. Galakrond himself was a rival to the Old Gods, even though there's no lore talking about them interacting, besides his corruption being attributed to Yogg-saron.

    Now that I wrote all this out another Time Travel expansion where we go back to primordial azeroth & have to fight to make sure the future we're from actually happens could be the direct result of the Dragonflight storyline. Aqir & trolls & Titans & The Black Empire & Dragons oh my
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  13. #12413
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Even tho it is most likely coincidental lol

    Shit that was meant to go to my last post

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    How would you guys feel about the Backside of Azeroth sharing a lot of South American or Indian-esc civilizations?

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    Assuming the name is correct, the next expansion being called "Frontiers" or "Frontier" just feels right.
    I'd be down for an Indian style, though honestly after the mention of a Innaria I've got my hopes set on some sorta Babylon/Mesopotamia setting since its similar to Innana.

  14. #12414
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Assuming the name is correct, the next expansion being called "Frontiers" or "Frontier" just feels right.
    Seems highly unlikely. Frontier of X, maybe.

  15. #12415
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    Seems highly unlikely. Frontier of X, maybe.
    "World of Warcraft Frontiers" would give the public the more appealing impression that its an entirely new game, rather than just another expansion to a 20 year old game. Retail Wow seeming (and looking) like an entirely different game than wow classic seems to be the current marketing strategy.

  16. #12416
    If we need a completely new area I think it will be like this:

    Avaloren- medieval/titan themed with Scarlets and Light

    Tel'abim- completely reimagined into an arabian/persian/indian area, not just on name but but to address these themes that haven't been touched on yet

    ?????- Japanese themed with Ankoan

    Based on the hints so far I think mystery Japan and/or Avaloren would be next, but I don't think it's safe to rule out Tel'abim appearing in some major way.

  17. #12417
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    But according to the note, everything Iridikron needs, he already has: He doesn't need Azshara or Xal'atath. The plan is ready to go, and the gurlies aren't contributing anything. Azshara & Xal'atath never had the means to do the plan because the Dragon Isles were locked away & they didn't have a way to travel through time. Maybe if Azshara or Xal'atath somehow brought the plan from Neltharian to Iridikron, they would be part of it, but as far as we know its entirely possible he discovered the plan on his own: Iridikron would have had contact with Neltharian way before Azshara did.

    Plus if we're basing power-levels by how ancient a character is Iridikron is more powerful than Azshara and might even be much older & more powerful than Xal'atath. They've never established exactly how ancient Galakrond is and he & his children are constantly talking about "before" and "after" the Titans came as something they themselves experienced. So they're at least 150,000 years old: Literally older than recorded Azerothian history. Galakrond himself was a rival to the Old Gods, even though there's no lore talking about them interacting, besides his corruption being attributed to Yogg-saron.

    Now that I wrote all this out another Time Travel expansion where we go back to primordial azeroth & have to fight to make sure the future we're from actually happens could be the direct result of the Dragonflight storyline. Aqir & trolls & Titans & The Black Empire & Dragons oh my
    We see Iridikron stepping into a void portal with the artifact, where the Harbinger (presumably) awaits. So if anything it seems reasonable to assume that he has been acting on her behalf the entire time. She guides him towards the powers of the Void so that he might unlock the power to take on the Titans for himself, while he collects whatever it is that she needs. It's probably also likely that their goals align, since if the artifact he made can mess up the world-soul (or something along those lines), then that would provide a blow against the Titans and their plans. It might even be how he intends to lure them to Azeroth, by helping the Harbinger construct the artifact.

  18. #12418
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    "World of Warcraft Frontiers" would give the public the more appealing impression that its an entirely new game, rather than just another expansion to a 20 year old game. Retail Wow seeming (and looking) like an entirely different game than wow classic seems to be the current marketing strategy.
    "Frontier" isn't just evocative of entirely new and exciting updated things simply because the very literal definition involves new things... The word is inextricably linked to historical "frontier". It makes people think of very old things and even the gimmicky new age iteration of "new frontier" (in space, technology, etc) comes across as retro and archaic, beacuse it was most heavily used in the ~60-80s

    The public isn't gonna hear "World of Warcraft: Frontiers" and think "wow that sounds like an entirely new modern game" they're gonna think "what, did they add wagon trains and wild west stuff to that 20 year old game?". It'd literally do the opposite of suggesting to the general public that the game is going in some new direction. It sounds like they're adding Settlers of Catan as an expansion.
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  19. #12419
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    I got my Legion expansion in Legion, yes.

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    I'm sure we'll see more Japanese inspired things, but the Asian-influenced expac is Pandaria.
    Asia is a big place, it isn’t just the far east. Also, Chinese and Japanese culture are not the same.

    We haven’t had a landmass that is based on Arabia, India or Russia; let alone Japan.

    A Japanese themed expansion would feel radically different to a Chinese/Mongolian one.

  20. #12420
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    "Frontier" isn't just evocative of entirely new and exciting updated things simply because the very literal definition involves new things...
    You mean like World of Warcraft Rumble?
    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    We see Iridikron stepping into a void portal with the artifact, where the Harbinger (presumably) awaits.
    You could presume that: But why would you? It's just a kind of portal. This is the same reason people assume Azshara & Xal'atath are working together, but I don't think that's really something we should be assuming. Xal'atath's comments further suggest the ladder is true but its definitely not a "safe" assumption. The same void-style of portal is also used to take Void elves from Stormwind to an Asteroid, not to some Void Lord Stronghold. The style of portal is just supposed to suggest 1.) the variety of magic used to create it, and 2.) That it's to somewhere off-world. Regardless we shouldn't assume it's a doorway to the same location, especially since Alleria Windrunner keeps insisting using this kind of power doesn't mean you're working for the Void Lords.
    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    She guides him towards the powers of the Void so that he might unlock the power to take on the Titans for himself, while he collects whatever it is that she needs. It's probably also likely that their goals align, since if the artifact he made can mess up the world-soul (or something along those lines), then that would provide a blow against the Titans and their plans. It might even be how he intends to lure them to Azeroth, by helping the Harbinger construct the artifact.
    I think you need to re-read the note & rewatch the cinematic where Iridikron monologues the plan: The plan is,

    1.) Fill the Artifact with the Essence of Galakrond
    2.) The Filled Artifact will allow the Harbinger to travel from the deepest realms of the Deep Dark to Azeroth

    Based on the description of the "window" at the bottom of Abberus, it allows communication into the deep Dark & the heart of the Void's sphere of influence. The actual traveling time will take a while, like when the Legion had to get here in Space Ships: its not like simply opening a portal. Then based on that, Iridikron's follow-up to that plan is,

    3.) The Harbinger is an existential threat to Azeroth, per giving it over to the Void, so the Titans will return there.
    4.) Kill the Titans

    Here is where, if they're working together, Xal, Azshara & Iridikron's interest would diverge.

    Xal'atath wants) End of plan. Void reigns over Azeroth.
    Azshara wants) Usurp the Harbinger & the Void. Azshara reigns over Azeroth.
    Iridikron wants) Kill the Harbinger. Destroy all Titan influence. Ancient Dragonkind reigns over Azeroth.

    Seems to me if they all know about the plan, they wouldn't bother working together because they would almost immediately need to betray each other & they're all smart enough to know this.

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