1. #13041
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    We're currently rivaling Shadowlands in terms of content, but at launch? Absolutely. Just go back further in this very thread & you see that's the general consensus:

    The zones are smaller. The 10.0 campaign questline is shorter (people were finishing it in 6 hours.) There's no equivalent to warfronts, island expeditions or torghast. We got Talents & Dragonriding & a Profession revamp: One being the job of the balancing team, not the devs who make content, a physics engine you can crib from unity & professions definitely don't count if its just an exact copy of FFXIV's crafting system.
    Shadowlands zones are demonstrably smaller than Dragonflight's. DF added a new class where SL did not. It's disingenuous to say that dragonriding or the profession revamp don't count, especially when we're talking about a Blizzard game where their best works aren't exactly renowned for being wholly original or innovative.

    Besides, content doesn't just exist in a vacuum; how it's implemented and balanced is just as important. It doesn't matter how much effort was put into Warfronts when they were so poorly designed and balanced that they became repetitive and boring after a single playthrough. It doesn't matter if Zaralek is one of the biggest .1 zones we've gotten if the content within is stale and uninspired. BfA had a lot to "do" at launch, but that quantity didn't matter because the quality of the content was poor. Torghast wasn't bad in and of itself, but the way it was implemented made it resented. The low effort tuskarr feast is more fondly remembered than those high effort back of the box features of BfA and SL.

  2. #13042
    All things considered, Blizzard doesn't have to deal with a pandemic: 10.3 should kick off the fourth & last season of Dragonflight, but then the fated raids are added as the minor patch between Dragonflight & the last expansion, rather than being the entire season in itself. Then the 2024 roadmap also mirrors the 2023 roadmap.

    Winter 2024: 10.2.5, maybe a class or race revamp.
    Spring 2024: 10.2.7, some new world event that ties in with Iridikron's plan
    10.3 - The Harbinger arrives on Azeroth
    Summer 2024: 10.3.5 Fated Dragonflight Raids, finally get to transmog the profession gear
    Autumn 2024: 11.0 pre-patch event
    11.0 The new expansion
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    The closest thing to a future expansion hint is the Fish and Cat mount models from the store, as they are unique rigs that have yet to appear ingame. I think there's a chance the Cat might be a mob in the Dream, but between the old Ankoan mention and their overall design the fish is probably for a more aquatic region or area.
    People said that about the Cat for Dragonflight, so if its not the next expansion for all we know its some future expansion, or nothing at all. And the Fish/Rabbit/Rat/Pig are all just Chinese Zodiac mounts, not indicative of any in-game content. (Fish is used interchangeably with the Dragon zodiac)
    Quote Originally Posted by Murlocos View Post
    Shadowlands zones are demonstrably smaller than Dragonflight's.
    Besides the rest of everything you said being subjective: This one is in such bad faith: They are physically the same, but also much emptier than Shadowlands zones. Shadowlands zones used every bit of space to fill with activities & characters & quests: Dragonflight's wilderness is largely empty, filled only with generic npcs & wildlife, disconnected from any actual activities.
    Last edited by Ersula; 2023-08-25 at 04:01 PM.

  3. #13043
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Besides the rest of everything you said being subjective: This one is in such bad faith: They are physically larger, but also much emptier than Shadowlands zones. Shadowlands zones used every bit of space to fill with activities & characters & quests: Dragonflight's wilderness is largely empty.
    Which was widely requested by players because that immersion of feeling like you're in a living world was valued more than the "content" of being unable to take two steps off a road without hitting hostile mobs. Dragonflight would not be better if you shrunk the zones in half and filled it with twice as many repetitive world quests.

    9.1 is another perfect example of a "meaty" .1 patch compared to the norm. It's also perhaps the most hated patch in the game's history because of how much players despised the content within a month.

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  5. #13045
    Quote Originally Posted by Ateo View Post
    Why does everyone think there's a patch 10.3?

    I would bet the final patch is 10.2

    Then there will be a "dated" 10.2.x patch where all raids are relevant again like Shadowlands did.

    10.3 isn't happening.

    Blizzcon will announce new expansion, it's going to probably have something to do with frozen/snow/northrend style setting based on both of the anniversary in game rewards which are hinting at frostwyrms and such.
    my bet is for season 4 with fater raids

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Besides the rest of everything you said being subjective: This one is in such bad faith: They are physically the same, but also much emptier than Shadowlands zones. Shadowlands zones used every bit of space to fill with activities & characters & quests: Dragonflight's wilderness is largely empty, filled only with generic npcs & wildlife, disconnected from any actual activities.
    The waking shore has more quest then ardenweld, more NPC’s and more objects(,chest and stuff).

    It is bigger in every way.
    https://www.wowhead.com/zone=11510/ardenweald
    https://www.wowhead.com/zone=13644/the-waking-shores
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  7. #13047
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    The anniversary pet isn't a frostwyrm, its just a blue recolor of the Cataclysm bonus pet. Also Dragonflight already did that when it was released: Waking Shores is Borean Tundra, Plains is Sholozar, Span is Grizzly Hills, Veldrakken is Dragonblight.
    This is a wild take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murlocos View Post
    Which was widely requested by players because that immersion of feeling like you're in a living world was valued more than the "content" of being unable to take two steps off a road without hitting hostile mobs. Dragonflight would not be better if you shrunk the zones in half and filled it with twice as many repetitive world quests.

    9.1 is another perfect example of a "meaty" .1 patch compared to the norm. It's also perhaps the most hated patch in the game's history because of how much players despised the content within a month.
    Ersula Has a tendency to just outright lie and this is one of those cases, the two zones in question already have more quest and things to do.
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  9. #13049
    Quote Originally Posted by Nebron View Post
    I really don't get the discussion about the 10.3 being cancelled. Like, what suggests that claim?
    10.3 was not listed in the 2023 Dragonflight rofmap, so people like to assume 10.3. is not coming.

    Understanding that a 2023 roadmap only encompasses content planned to be released during 2023 seems to be hard concept to grasp.

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    Could they use these poll results to maybe decide on making proper AI voiced quests?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    10.3 was not listed in the 2023 Dragonflight rofmap, so people like to assume 10.3. is not coming.

    Understanding that a 2023 roadmap only encompasses content planned to be released during 2023 seems to be hard concept to grasp.
    Yeah, people have been losing their minds over the Roadmap ending with 10.2 since it was announced...completely forgetting that it says "2023" at the top.

  12. #13052
    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    I’d say the diplomat transmog is up there with them.
    Possibly, but they can't really reuse that fancy tmog for anything (they want to keep it exclusive to players) and the prior ones haven't been reused. The reason the shop mounts can foreshadow things is because a lot of the time the new models they create for shop mounts are reused as zone mobs down the line (besides the lunar new year ones, though things like the bull rig was used for shadowlands to create new bull mobs)

  13. #13053
    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    I’d say the diplomat transmog is up there with them.
    Or the Diplomat transmog is just an armor set that the developers didn't have a home for.

    I might be mistaken, but didn't the developers mention that shop mogs were there for when the developers had a fun idea for a mog that didn't fit any theme?
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    Wasn't the diplomat mog initially tagged as a Trading Post reward?
    Then they just shoved it into the store?

    With how many sets they are pushing, and how varied they are, i really don't think we should take them as any sort of indicator.


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  15. #13055
    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post


    Could they use these poll results to maybe decide on making proper AI voiced quests?
    I hope not, that AI stuff is gross.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Wasn't the diplomat mog initially tagged as a Trading Post reward?
    Then they just shoved it into the store?

    With how many sets they are pushing, and how varied they are, i really don't think we should take them as any sort of indicator.
    That was the case with that siege kodo, as I recall, at the least.

  16. #13056
    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post


    Could they use these poll results to maybe decide on making proper AI voiced quests?
    They should hire a narrator voice or something like that. Blizzard is huge and honoring voice actors was always a strong point in its past. I really hope they use real talent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Wasn't the diplomat mog initially tagged as a Trading Post reward?
    Then they just shoved it into the store?

    With how many sets they are pushing, and how varied they are, i really don't think we should take them as any sort of indicator.
    I think you mean the medivh set. Which was available to purchase in the trading post and then moved to the shop.

  17. #13057
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Wasn't the diplomat mog initially tagged as a Trading Post reward?
    Then they just shoved it into the store?

    With how many sets they are pushing, and how varied they are, i really don't think we should take them as any sort of indicator.
    Even if a given vanity item is related to the next expansion, it typically ranged from vague hint of a specific segment at the absolute best (Runesaber indicating arcane night elves but betraying absolutely nothing about the other 90% of Legion) to outright misleading at the worst (Sylverian Dreamer and the Sprite Dragon are both extremely Emerald Dream mounts but both just happened to be creatures in zones in totally not ED related expansions).


    Short of getting something as absolutely explicit as the KT quest set, there's really not much to latch on to for random transmog sets, especially as vague as nice looking renaissance clothing.

  18. #13058
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    11.0 The new expansion
    People said that about the Cat for Dragonflight, so if its not the next expansion for all we know its some future expansion, or nothing at all. And the Fish/Rabbit/Rat/Pig are all just Chinese Zodiac mounts, not indicative of any in-game content. (Fish is used interchangeably with the Dragon zodiac)
    The Blizzcon polar bear was (correctly) used to predict an arctic zone in the next expansion, so I think there's a very good chance the Cat is used in DF. As it is clearly a magic cat (big glow) it would make the most sense to be in the Dream.

  19. #13059
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    The Blizzcon polar bear was (correctly) used to predict an arctic zone in the next expansion, so I think there's a very good chance the Cat is used in DF. As it is clearly a magic cat (big glow) it would make the most sense to be in the Dream.
    Saying the arctic bear correctly predicted an arctic zone is a bit of a stretch though. Sure there was an arctic zone, but it's not like said arctic zone was all that important in the grand scheme. It could just as easily have been high in a mountain, or part of a dungeon. Or for that matter frost infused bears caused by the primalists.
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  20. #13060
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Saying the arctic bear correctly predicted an arctic zone is a bit of a stretch though. Sure there was an arctic zone, but it's not like said arctic zone was all that important in the grand scheme. It could just as easily have been high in a mountain, or part of a dungeon. Or for that matter frost infused bears caused by the primalists.
    When this was prior to speculation about what the Dragon Isles could be like, all this meant was that it was very likely a snow part of the world that would lead to likely correlation with the Blue Dragons. It was also used for incorrect speculation we were going back to Northrend.

    Similarly to how I don't think the Cat is foreshadowing Cattopia but more than likely some area where a giant magic cat would fit. The Dream is our current best existing option.
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