1. #13241
    I thought the Twilight were the worst enemies in WoW IMO, they are even less interesting than Zovaal. Just generic cult and not even any interesting races/concepts because their gimmick was "everyone joined".

  2. #13242
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    I thought the Twilight were the worst enemies in WoW IMO, they are even less interesting than Zovaal. Just generic cult and not even any interesting races/concepts because their gimmick was "everyone joined".
    I wished that for dragonflight we would have had a bit of background to how the hell primalists, aka twilight 2.0, came to existence and recruited so many people. It feels like Blizzard didn't learn from cataclysm

    at least their mission statement is not let's bring the end of the world

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    I thought the Twilight were the worst enemies in WoW IMO, they are even less interesting than Zovaal. Just generic cult and not even any interesting races/concepts because their gimmick was "everyone joined".
    Tbf, the Primalists are worse in that regard. (though, they are visually vastly more interesting)

    The twillights had a face, with Cho'gall, Benedictus, Sintharia, etc.
    They have had more than enough time to infiltrate Azerothian societies to recruit.
    And their nature as a Void cult means that anyone that ever dealt with them would have been exposed to void influence.

    The Primalists don't have any of that.
    Their most interesting character, the Grimtotem in Raid 1, had a total of like 30 seconds of screentime before he died.
    We have absolutely no idea how they managed to amass the followers they have.
    And while we know their overarching goal thanks to the Incarnates, we know nothing of the ambitions that drive their forces.


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  4. #13244
    Since Blizzard updated the model of many old monsters in the last expansions, what can we expect next? Kobolds, troggs? What would be their roles? I can't rememeber if troggs were updated with Uldaman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radioactive View Post
    Since Blizzard updated the model of many old monsters in the last expansions, what can we expect next? Kobolds, troggs? What would be their roles? I can't rememeber if troggs were updated with Uldaman.
    Both of those have had their models updated.

    Pretty sure what's left are the more obscure creatures, like Bog Beasts and Giraffes.


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  6. #13246
    Quote Originally Posted by nanoneo View Post
    Dood in Reddit called vstorm posted this
    Ancient.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/...aconcept_maps/

    Map of Kezan and the Undermine as seen on the World of Warcraft Behind the Scenes DVD.
    Last edited by Hitei; 2023-08-27 at 11:31 PM.

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    ok then I got trolled - deleted it

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    I'll never forget when images from the Dragonflight CGI got leaked like a day or two before the announcement and the images of the new talents/Dracthyr Race.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Any bets on that happening again with 11.0?

  9. #13249
    Quote Originally Posted by Catastrophy349 View Post
    I'll never forget when images from the Dragonflight CGI got leaked like a day or two before the announcement and the images of the new talents/Dracthyr Race.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Any bets on that happening again with 11.0?
    I think we often get a real leak but, as you said, only 1-2 days before the announcement.

  10. #13250
    Quote Originally Posted by Imotbh View Post
    I think we often get a real leak but, as you said, only 1-2 days before the announcement.
    Wasn’t the bastion artwork and the legion leak in the 8.0 thread and the legion Chinese riddle („the sliver hand“) weeks before announcement?

  11. #13251
    Remember how people thought Khoranos was a Dragonmaw Orc, or even Garrosh, and they were imprisoning Alex?

    Also I think Ankoan will leak somehow, be them playable or not.

  12. #13252
    Quote Originally Posted by nanoneo View Post
    Wasn’t the bastion artwork and the legion leak in the 8.0 thread and the legion Chinese riddle („the sliver hand“) weeks before announcement?
    I don't remember for sure when it was for Legion tbh. For SL I'm pretty sure it was leaked 1-2 days before but I can be mistaken (it was the Bastion artwork).

  13. #13253
    Quote Originally Posted by nanoneo View Post
    Wasn’t the bastion artwork and the legion leak in the 8.0 thread and the legion Chinese riddle („the sliver hand“) weeks before announcement?
    I think the majority have been within 10 days of announcement. Basically when Blizzard has to start outsourcing to prepare for an event and third parties that they have less control over get involved.

    Which makes the like seven months of dozens of supposed leaks all pretty silly.
    Last edited by Hitei; 2023-08-28 at 12:32 AM.

  14. #13254
    New location is called the Abyss. Tiered area, with Kezan on the top, the Undermine beneath it, a Nerubian zone beneath that, and then Khaz Algar at the bottom (at launch at least).
    Incarnates succeeded in drawing the Titans to Azeroth since Iridikron tainted the world soul.
    Nerubian neutral race. All non-hero classes for all races.
    Battlegrounds revamp, keystone raids, permanent timewalking (merged with Chromie time).

  15. #13255
    Quote Originally Posted by abyss24 View Post
    New location is called the Abyss. Tiered area, with Kezan on the top, the Undermine beneath it, a Nerubian zone beneath that, and then Khaz Algar at the bottom (at launch at least).
    Incarnates succeeded in drawing the Titans to Azeroth since Iridikron tainted the world soul.
    Nerubian neutral race. All non-hero classes for all races.
    Battlegrounds revamp, keystone raids, permanent timewalking (merged with Chromie time).
    Wild.

    I was actually thinking earlier today about what sort of shape 11.0 might take since they probably won't want to do a basic round island right after DF, SL was separate islands and BfA was split continents. And the first thing I thought of was a vertically distributed expansion with each zone above/below the next. Only I was picturing Undermine at the "top" (Kezan is hardly even worth mentioning when it's super tiny and just surface Undermine), and then standard cave layers, Nerubian layer and a sort of time-capsuled "Black Empire" layer at the bottom.

    Really don't see keystone raids happening. Is raid loot infinite? Are they timed? Do bump your keystone up would you have to complete the entire raid? Seems like a ridiculously niche feature, can't imagine most players would be interested in running multiple affixed iterations of a raid instance per week.

  16. #13256
    Quote Originally Posted by Skildar View Post
    I wished that for dragonflight we would have had a bit of background to how the hell primalists, aka twilight 2.0, came to existence and recruited so many people. It feels like Blizzard didn't learn from cataclysm
    That isn't true, in the Cata pre-patch we actually see how they recruit people and actually had to go in and disguise as one ourselves to learn more about their goals. Plus it is a Cult for a reason, they were exposed to void magic similar to what Cho'Gall saw and all they were hell bent on was fulfilling a prophecy that the Old Gods foretold.

    Unlike the Primalists, the Twilight's Cult was actually smart enough to commit two mass murders in Ashenvale to spark tensions between the Alliance and Horde so that nobody would be aware of whats going on and assumed it was faction tension again.

    at least their mission statement is not let's bring the end of the world
    While it isn't "destroy the world," "destroying all the titan's work" isn't any better because most of the races on Azeroth are all byproducts from the Titan's work. From the Humans, Dwarves, Gnomes, Vrykul and titan constructs that got hit with the curse of flesh.. to Wild Gods and Elves.... The only ones exempt of this rule are Trolls (who are the oldest known race in WoW) and Yaungol (which we don't know if they lived on Azeroth before the Titans showed up or were the result of a Wild God).

    So when they say, "destroying the Titan's work" that to me translates as "destroy all sentient life on Azeroth." Which makes me question what the Primalists have to gain from doing all this? They get Elemental Power sure.. but they aren't a cult like the Twilight's Hammer so it isn't like they were brainwashed, mind controlled, or corrupted into joining.

    We probably won't ever get a straight answer about it until a later patch.. but my only underlying theory is that Magetha Grimtotem (who went missing after Legion) was involved somehow and she only took up the Incarnate's bargain mainly to get an army big enough to get the Doomstone back from the Earthen Ring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    I'm just curious, did you remembered the post or you just "googled" the image?
    If you remembered this post that is quite the good memory my fella, GJ!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skildar View Post
    Cataclysm barely worked because it was all over the place
    i don't rly think that was the reason, there was a lot of misses like Thrall questline, but the thematic was quite good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skildar View Post
    I wished that for dragonflight we would have had a bit of background to how the hell primalists, aka twilight 2.0, came to existence and recruited so many people. It feels like Blizzard didn't learn from cataclysm

    at least their mission statement is not let's bring the end of the world
    They're literally Twilight Hammer 2.0. It's the same general cult. They just went underground after the whole deal with Deathwing didn't quite work out.

    "So many" also seems like a bit of an overstatement. We haven't really seen much activity from them outside the Dragon Isles and i doubt they're cooperating with the Qalashi because they like them so much.

  20. #13260
    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon ANX View Post
    I'm just curious, did you remembered the post or you just "googled" the image?
    If you remembered this post that is quite the good memory my fella, GJ!
    They get discussed now and then, so it's not like I was remembering them from vanilla days. I recognized the map and then googled "wow concept map" to find a(ny) link proving it had been around a while and wasn't a new leak or anything.

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