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    It could be a time travel pirate plot on a planet we've never been to and Thrall could still be a core character. I do think with him having been very weakly used, even in stories like Shadowlands and BfA, it is signifying that whatever comes next he'll be playing a more center role.

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    Btw, if we do end up getting Odyn as an enemy, it would be interesting if we end up allying with Helya.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ChronoSul View Post
    Honestly Thrall could just be there because he's an iconic Warcraft Character. There is actually previous examples of this. Last Year & This Year for Hearthstone they have Elise Starseeker to represent the game however she hasnt been relevant in a Hearthstone set since 2019? But is a fan favorite hence her appearance on the art
    Likewise, Blizzcon 2016 had Sylvanas, and at that point we were in 7.1, so she wasn't relevant in the slightest.

    2014 had Chen.

    This is just the first time in a while where Blizzcon happens at a time where we don't really know anything about what could potentially happen in the future and we are still in the first content patch.

    Thrall is just the most generic and neutral WoW character, really. He is the quintessential Warcraft rep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    Likewise, Blizzcon 2016 had Sylvanas, and at that point we were in 7.1, so she wasn't relevant in the slightest.

    2014 had Chen.

    This is just the first time in a while where Blizzcon happens at a time where we don't really know anything about what could potentially happen in the future and we are still in the first content patch.

    Thrall is just the most generic and neutral WoW character, really. He is the quintessential Warcraft rep.
    People also are forgetting Metzen is back & who did people always associate him with? Thrall

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    Thrall on the promo image represents BOTH the next retail expansion (11.0) AND Classic expansion (Cataclysm). 11.0 will involve the elements and Blizzard will get a good laugh from announcing double expansions with both elemental involvement and Thrall as an important character.

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    In the meantime, Azeroth is still stabbed, and and they act as if nothing happened.

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    So many bizzare arguments.

    Whilst i agree Thrall is more than likely just the war craft rep on the key art due to lack of recent blizzcons and choosing probably the most well known hero character. The next expansion would make perfect sense as an elemental related expansion.

    Dragonflight realistically had not really been that elemental focused. In the same sense, we went from hell fire citadel and tanaan patch into Legion, we also had a lot of death theming I.e. Drust and baron samedei in bfa before shadowlands.

    What dragonflight has actually had, is an extreme lack of elemental story. There is a weirdly complete lack of any elemental lore at all in dragonflight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibelheimy View Post
    Dragonflight realistically had not really been that elemental focused. There is a weirdly complete lack of any elemental lore at all in dragonflight.
    Raszageth : Air
    Fyrakk : Fire
    Iridikron : Earth
    Vyranoth : Water

    If it's not tied to elemental power, don't know what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valysar View Post
    In the meantime, Azeroth is still stabbed, and and they act as if nothing happened.
    I find it funny people are still hung up on this. Its not like we sucked out the corruption of the sword at the end of legion... o wait thats exactly what happened. Its also not like we spent the expansion afterward dealing with the damage caused by the sword to stop the bleeding... o wait thats exactly what happened. Removing the sword would just undue any good we did in BFA and probably would lead to the planets death. Theres a reason why ur not suppose to remove a knife from a stab wound unless u got tools to deal with the after effect which we dont. now if the other titans came back...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibelheimy View Post
    So many bizzare arguments.

    Whilst i agree Thrall is more than likely just the war craft rep on the key art due to lack of recent blizzcons and choosing probably the most well known hero character. The next expansion would make perfect sense as an elemental related expansion.

    Dragonflight realistically had not really been that elemental focused. In the same sense, we went from hell fire citadel and tanaan patch into Legion, we also had a lot of death theming I.e. Drust and baron samedei in bfa before shadowlands.

    What dragonflight has actually had, is an extreme lack of elemental story. There is a weirdly complete lack of any elemental lore at all in dragonflight.
    Hence, why I am saying that Blizzcon will be about two elemental expansions: 11.0 and Cataclysm Classic.

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    11.0 can be an Elemental AND Void expansion, people… I mean come on? The connection is perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valysar View Post
    Raszageth : Air
    Fyrakk : Fire
    Iridikron : Earth
    Vyranoth : Water

    If it's not tied to elemental power, don't know what it is.
    But its not about the elemental lords, which is what the next expansion is supposed to be about. I hope its wrong tho, cause it would be really boring knowing all upcoming expansions for many years, even if blizzard probably knows about the leak and can change it. The leaker is 3/3 on expansions so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valysar View Post
    In the meantime, Azeroth is still stabbed, and and they act as if nothing happened.
    You know why many veterans still have shrapnel in their body? Because removing it would make things worse than just leaving it. We don't have the means to remove the blade safely. Or at all, for that matter. So worrying about it would achieve nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zirr View Post
    But its not about the elemental lords, which is what the next expansion is supposed to be about. I hope its wrong tho, cause it would be really boring knowing all upcoming expansions for many years, even if blizzard probably knows about the leak and can change it. The leaker is 3/3 on expansions so far.
    Claiming that DF isn't focused on the elements when our main antagonists are explicitly and blatantly powered by them is rather ridiculous, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mecheon View Post
    Oh, so an established pirate location such as... Tel Abim, a place that has been mentioned in lore ever since Vanilla, showed up out of the blue in a recent book noting pirates visit it, and is one of the few Very Well Established places we haven't been to yet?

    That's the thing. Avoloren is the open 'could be anything' in this case, but we know the rest. Tel Abim has bananas. Therefore, it must be tropical, because all we know about the place is it has bananas. We've been to Kezan twice, we know what's there as well. Plunder Isle is another mystery (It was just a tropical island in Lands of Mystery), but its also a bit bland on name and I doubt anyone's going to be too upset about Plunder Isle being dropped or merged with the more well known Tel Abim
    I don't really buy that unless Avoloren is a southern continent, which is unlikely because Pandaria is WoW's southern continent. Further, Tel Abim makes more sense as a location in an Undermine expansion, where Kezan, Tanaris, Plunder Isle, and Booty Bay would be involved. Undermine works as a southern continent because the majority of its landmass is underground.

    I mean I'd love my Outland Revamp idea (because frankly Outland needs a revamp WAY more than the Cata zones do) and that'd involve Thrall, but we can't really say for sure on anything about it. Thrall heads over to Avoloren because pirates accidentally awoke a thing. Blam, Thrall's involved.
    I don't see that really being the case here. If we're dealing with pirates and ocean/void stuff, Azshara would be on the key art, not Thrall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    You know why many veterans still have shrapnel in their body? Because removing it would make things worse than just leaving it. We don't have the means to remove the blade safely. Or at all, for that matter. So worrying about it would achieve nothing.

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    Claiming that DF isn't focused on the elements when our main antagonists are explicitly and blatantly powered by them is rather ridiculous, though.
    Agree, which is why it would be weird with an elemntal focused expansion next.

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    BFA must have been an ice expansion because jaina is quite clearly frost affiliated.

    My personal bet for the next expansion is just a remade Kalimdor. I've posted about it before but it wouldn't at all surprise me. Actually set the expansion alongside the time span of dragonflight. So rather than a story sequel, it's what's happening elsewhere. If it was then a remade Kalimdor with lore on Thrall investigating the elemental lords could actually explain why there is a huge gaping elemental lore gap in this expansion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yzmor View Post
    Aaand this is why I'm saying--while I'm 100% team cosmic and would love to see Void as 11.0--the next expansion is some lame elemental s**t with Thrall leading the story because Blizz thinks the core playerbase would find it cool and nostalgic.

    Also, unpopular opinion, I frickin hate orcs; undead, any elves, dwarves, draenei are far more interesting races and though I understand that orcs were an integral part of the franchise back then--thank god their role is not that significant anymore, I'd be bored to Death/the 7th cosmic force--I really hope the 20-year anniversary is not some Thrall nostalgia, I'm not even buying the expansion if they pull this elemental bull with him being the main character--which is extremely possible at this point, unforfunately.

    If people will love it, I'm happy (?) though, just like with DF, I hate it and been doing legacy content only for quite a while now, but I find its success a great thing for the developers, they must feel very satisfied, it's a good feeling to see that what you've worked on brings happiness to people, so I'm trying not to be selfish and childish and say the game should perish just because I don't like its current expansion, but I'm still hoping deep down that one day they'll ship some new content I, too, am fond of.
    It could very well be Thrall utilizing Azeroth's elements to fight back against the Lightbound army. I believe the main point is that Thrall, like Sylvanas in Shadowlands and Jaina in BFA is going to be a major character and plot driver in the next expansion's story. It's fitting, because Thrall has been on the sidelines for awhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibelheimy View Post
    BFA must have been an ice expansion because jaina is quite clearly frost affiliated.
    Jaina is Kul'tiran, and getting Kul'tiras into the alliance was a big part of BFA's story.

    Also;
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valysar View Post
    Raszageth : Air
    Fyrakk : Fire
    Iridikron : Earth
    Vyranoth : Water

    If it's not tied to elemental power, don't know what it is.
    The elements are obviously present, but they receive next to no actual attention.
    Everything revolving around the incarnates and the primalists is primarily draconic lore.

    We have yet to hear about any shamanic faction like the earthen ring.
    The elemental lords are completely absent.
    We have no idea how the incarnates ended up empowered.

    Whenever elemental lore does pop up, like the wellspring beneath Tyrhold or the source of primal flame in Zaralek, it's always overshadowed by being tied to another theme entirely.
    Whether it's Dragons, Titans or Old Gods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    Once again, Teriz is arguing points that only make sense in hindsight. Sylvanas being on the promo art meant Sylvanas will be relevant (which was hardly a surprise, seeing how BFA ended), and the BFA keyart meant Jaina will be relevant.
    I would argue that there's a difference between being relevant and being a driver of a plot. Jaina and Sylvanas were those things in both BFA and Shadowlands respectively. Sylvanas being a prime example of this by being in the opening cinematic of Shadowlands and being the character that initiates the expansion by kidnapping leaders and opening the portal. In any case, I'm looking to Thrall either being Jaina's level in BFA or Sylvanas' level in Shadowlands. Given that this is going to be WoW's 20th anniversary expansion, the 100% prediction rate guy, and Chris Metzen's supposed involvement, I'm leaning towards Sylvanas in Shadowlands level Thrall involvement, where he's in the opening cinematic and maybe even on the cover.

    As for expansion theme, it's still Lightbound invasion. Interestingly, the orcs that fled Draenor in BFA claimed that Yrel's Lightbound army somehow destroyed Draenor's ecosystem, and led to a planetary collapse. That plot point could be utilized as a reason (excuse) for Thrall using Azeroth's elements to protect the world from whatever destructive magic Yrel and the Naaru are employing.


    Whelp, backing my theory some more, Gul'dan was on the Key art for Gamescon 2015 right before Legion was announced;

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    i'd rather have a pirate themed expansion than one based on elements. elements in wow are boring as fuck.

  20. #14320
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    The elements are obviously present, but they receive next to no actual attention.
    Everything revolving around the incarnates and the primalists is primarily draconic lore.
    Did you actually play DF? The elemental influence plays a major role. And besides, the whole identity of the Incarnates is element empowered dragons. Outside of their elemental powers, they're just bog-standard Protodragons.

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