1. #16121
    The cat raptors being druid forms might mean we can finally get raptor forms rather than cat for Zandy druids finally....

  2. #16122
    Sweet mother of Avatar the last Airbender, freaking cat raptors??? Give that dev a raise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    Catpurrs.
    /10ch
    Craptors *duck*

  5. #16125
    New item set on the front page, something about a Sky-captain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    Isn't this the mage set coming to the trading post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolicious View Post
    Isn't this the mage set coming to the trading post?
    Yes.

  8. #16128
    So are there going to be more zones in the Emerald Dream?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    New item set on the front page, something about a Sky-captain.
    Probably a store or a trading post set as there's no icon and skin yet. Or maybe it is the Blizzcon's reward linked to the potential revamp ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    Those claiming it would be were always beclowning themselves.
    The main sticking point is fairly obvious: there's no pressing reason to terminate the expansion early. Both times it happened, WoD and Shadowlands, were gratuitous failures that led the game to hemorrhage subscribers. For the latter, on top of just being awful, it also had the addition of a troubled production wracked with the simultaneous occurrence of a sex scandal and a pandemic. Dragonflight, while understated and not exceptionally successful, has typically been treated with little worse than lukewarmness and exasperation with the tone, so there's just not much pressure to end the expansion as soon as possible and try to garner favor back with the playerbase.
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    You'll believe it when you see it for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Actually it is. Are you one of those people that think writers are beyond criticism from people who ain't writers themselves?

    Did you cheer when Sylvanas burned Teldrassil too?
    No, which is why I didn’t say that. It’s not bad faith, you may not like it but it doesn’t make it bad faith.

    And I very much enjoyed that point in the plot, because it’s fantasy, and conflict makes stories more interesting. I love Night Elves, but if it was always peace and love and nature, they would get boring.

    It’s fiction. It’s not even yours to control or have a say in. Just go/look away if you don’t like it. Major eye roll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebonn View Post
    No, which is why I didn’t say that. It’s not bad faith, you may not like it but it doesn’t make it bad faith.

    And I very much enjoyed that point in the plot, because it’s fantasy, and conflict makes stories more interesting. I love Night Elves, but if it was always peace and love and nature, they would get boring.

    It’s fiction. It’s not even yours to control or have a say in. Just go/look away if you don’t like it. Major eye roll.
    NEs weren't always peace and love. The writers just turned a blind eye on a chunk of Warcraft history to prop up Sylvanas for ultimate failure. There was literally nothing gained and the story didn't move forward, lmao.

    That it's fiction doesn't automatically waive crap writing. Players DO care about the story.
    Last edited by Polybius; 2023-09-08 at 02:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Actually it is. Are you one of those people that think writers are beyond criticism from people who ain't writers themselves?
    I think Night Elves fans ironically mirror the way Night Elves view themselves, in that they constantly demand story focus, after being the most focused race in the narrative. But really what they want is only good things to happen to them, even though that doesn't make a good story.

    • "The Night Elves were given immortality for being Elune's favorite children." Actually they got immortality as an unintended side effect of Alexstrazsa using a seedling of G'hanir plug up the second Well of Eternity they made without permission.
    • "The Night Elves were abandoned by Elune." Actually Elune simply let nature take its course. The Night Elves have outlived anything resembling a natural lifespan & there was no reason for Elune to save them. The added detail of Elune wanting them to die so they could help Ardenweald is so stupid its funny. But that just depicts Elune as incompetent.
    • "The Night Elves were rendered homeless after the loss of Teldrassil." Valsharah, Feralas. Hyjal. Literally no reason they didn't move into those well-established Night Elf communities. There was plenty of room.
    • "The Night Elves are pious defenders of nature" Actually they do whatever they feel like & call that the best interests of nature.

    "Why are they treating Night Elves so badly?" They're just very subtly giving them what they deserve.
    Last edited by Ersula; 2023-09-08 at 03:04 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polybius View Post
    NEs weren't always peace and love. The writers just turned a blind eye on a chunk of Warcraft history to prop up Sylvanas for ultimate failure. There was literally nothing gained and the story didn't move forward, lmao.

    That it's fiction doesn't automatically waive crap writing. Players DO care about the story.
    No, but your opinion is automatically waived when you call it “crap writing” when really it’s just that you don’t like it lol.

    You’re allowed to not like it. Don’t make universal statements about “bad writing” or “just turned a blind eye…”

    People other than you have opinions too, and a lot of people enjoyed/enjoy the story. Your opinion means exactly as much as theirs does - so nothing, to the creators of a story. Good creators and storytellers don’t base their craft on a few opinions. They do what’s right for the story. Your disagreement means nothing other than YOU didn’t like it. I care about the story, and that particular piece both makes sense and brings me and others excitement and eagerness for what’s next.

    “Night Elves weren’t always peace and love.”
    Yeah that was my point, thank you. They can’t be, if the story is to be dynamic and interesting.

    Edit: Also, my whole point at the beginning of this was that it’s not bad faith to put the new tree on Dragon Isles. If I were a Night Elf, I would want nothing more than to leave the war torn lands and be welcomed into a land protected by the Green Dragonflight, and other Dragonflights, who have historically aided the Night Elves. Alexstrasza, Ysera, and Nozdormu all blessed Nordrassil. Going back with the dragons makes sense wether you want it to or not.
    Last edited by Ebonn; 2023-09-08 at 03:04 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    I think Night Elves fans ironically mirror the way Night Elves view themselves, in that they constantly demand story focus, after being the most focused race in the narrative. But really what they want is only good things to happen to them, even though that doesn't make a good story.

    • "The Night Elves were given immortality for being Elune's favorite children." Actually they got immortality as an unintended side effect of Alexstrazsa using a seedling of G'hanir plug up the second Well of Eternity they made without permission.
    • "The Night Elves were abandoned by Elune." Actually Elune simply let nature take its course. The Night Elves have outlived anything resembling a natural lifespan & there was no reason for Elune to save them.
    • "The Night Elves were rendered homeless after the loss of Teldrassil." Valsharah, Feralas. Hyjal. Literally no reason they didn't move into those well-established Night Elf communities. There was plenty of room.
    • "The Night Elves are pious defenders of nature" Actually they do whatever they feel like & call that the best interests of nature.
    Technically Elune let them die to send a package to the Winter Queen, but the carrier lost the package in the Maw .

    Third part is a little baffling. They haven't made it very clear that NEs could migrate here from the World Tree, logically it's the next step. But I guess that's the limit of having no revamps to old zones, it's just not reflected in game. This game desperately needs it, too many hanging threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    I think Night Elves fans ironically mirror the way Night Elves view themselves, in that they constantly demand story focus, after being the most focused race in the narrative. But really what they want is only good things to happen to them, even though that doesn't make a good story.

    • "The Night Elves were given immortality for being Elune's favorite children." Actually they got immortality as an unintended side effect of Alexstrazsa using a seedling of G'hanir plug up the second Well of Eternity they made without permission.
    • "The Night Elves were abandoned by Elune." Actually Elune simply let nature take its course. The Night Elves have outlived anything resembling a natural lifespan & there was no reason for Elune to save them. The added detail of Elune wanting them to die so they could help Ardenweald is so stupid its funny. But that just depicts Elune as incompetent.
    • "The Night Elves were rendered homeless after the loss of Teldrassil." Valsharah, Feralas. Hyjal. Literally no reason they didn't move into those well-established Night Elf communities. There was plenty of room.
    • "The Night Elves are pious defenders of nature" Actually they do whatever they feel like & call that the best interests of nature.

    "Why are they treating Night Elves so badly?" They're just very subtly giving them what they deserve.
    Their immortality came from Nozdormu’s blessing, not Alextrasza’s. As long as the tree stood, they would not suffer the passing of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebonn View Post
    No, but your opinion is automatically waived when you call it “crap writing” when really it’s just that you don’t like it lol.

    You’re allowed to not like it. Don’t make universal statements about “bad writing” or “just turned a blind eye…”

    People other than you have opinions too, and a lot of people enjoyed/enjoy the story. Your opinion means exactly as much as theirs does - so nothing, to the creators of a story. Good creators and storytellers don’t base their craft on a few opinions. They do what’s right for the story. Your disagreement means nothing other than YOU didn’t like it. I care about the story, and that particular piece both makes sense and brings me and others excitement and eagerness for what’s next.

    “Night Elves weren’t always peace and love.”
    Yeah that was my point, thank you. They can’t be, if the story is to be dynamic and interesting.

    Edit: Also, my whole point at the beginning of this was that it’s not bad faith to put the new tree on Dragon Isles. If I were a Night Elf, I would want nothing more than to leave the war torn lands and be welcomed into a land protected by the Green Dragonflight, and other Dragonflights, who have historically aided the Night Elves. Alexstrasza, Ysera, and Nozdormu all blessed Nordrassil. Going back with the dragons makes sense wether you want it to or not.
    Yes, some people do love the Jailer + post-Legion Sylvanas and their opinion means as much.

  18. #16138
    Honestly the fact that Elune gave them another World Tree seems irresponsible.

    Benefits of a World Tree:
    *Night Elf shorefront property

    Dangers of a World Tree:
    *A giant weakpoint in the Titan's complicated planetary defense system against void/fel corruption

    Dragon Isles Pathfinder Coming With Patch 10.2 - Regular Flying in the Dragon Isles
    Are they serious with this? Why make slow flying an achievement? Just to punish people who don't like Dragonriding? I have a friend who has vertigo & she hasn't been able to play DF because of Dragonriding. This is infuriating.
    Last edited by Ersula; 2023-09-08 at 03:31 AM.

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    we are fighting the new firelord
    is it possibly possible the elemental incarnates might actually have a tie to their elemental planes and thus the rulers??
    omg is it possible that iridikron has ties to the void and knowledge about neltharion because he draws power from the earth???
    its almost like this was hinted at forever ago but people refuse to accept it because its not as good as head canon about "no the elemental lords are our buddies and we took care of all of them already"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Are they serious with this? Why make slow flying an achievement? Just to punish people who don't like Dragonriding?
    Its been an achievement going back 4 expansions at this point, are you really surprised?

    Frankly I much prefer dragonriding so I'm still hoping for the dragonriding unlocked everywhere

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