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    Speaking of Kirin Tor... what was the point of Khadgar coming to the Isles?

    Is Tyr going to kill him or something?

    Also: HD version of the old "slutmog" robe. Many different colors.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Speaking of Kirin Tor... what was the point of Khadgar coming to the Isles?
    To show new players that Kalecgos is part of them without making it confusing concerning Kalecgos also being an aspect. Probably also because the Kirin Tor were important in WotLK, and Azure Span is very much a WotLK nostalgia trip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    But why do you assume these Forsaken are totally unrepentant about their participation in Teldrassil burning? Is this the same mindset that makes you think that all Germans were Nazis?

    Besides, you will need some Forsaken presence, otherwise you wouldnt have a good link to making them Druids.
    Again we have all of BFA. If you are only “repentant” after your leader calls you nothing and abandons you then you don’t have a leg to stand on. And yes if you were a card carrying Nazi took part in Nazi operations and were fully onboard until you heard of Hitlers death, you are in fact a Nazi.

    There’s also no meaningful Goblin Orc or Blood presence as far as I’ve seen so no they don’t need any forsaken there to make them
    Druids later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    “Draenor is free“ and every thing with “redeeming” Sylvanas is god awful writing and blizzard should be trying to improve there awful writer not sticking with it, and this seems like more of the same instead of course correction.
    Okay but again, trying to achieve atonement for their actions by protecting the world tree makes 100% sense.

    What, you want a quest that has us execute every forsaken responsible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Speaking of Kirin Tor... what was the point of Khadgar coming to the Isles?

    Is Tyr going to kill him or something?

    Also: HD version of the old "slutmog" robe. Many different colors.

    Genuine shocker in 2023.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Well Done Steak View Post
    Okay but again, trying to achieve atonement for their actions by protecting the world tree makes 100% sense.

    What, you want a quest that has us execute every forsaken responsible?
    A quest like that would be nice.... not going to lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Speaking of Kirin Tor... what was the point of Khadgar coming to the Isles?

    Is Tyr going to kill him or something?

    Also: HD version of the old "slutmog" robe. Many different colors.

    The fact that this is deemed as "slutmog" is very telling. This is really tame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Again we have all of BFA. If you are only “repentant” after your leader calls you nothing and abandons you then you don’t have a leg to stand on. And yes if you were a card carrying Nazi took part in Nazi operations and were fully onboard until you heard of Hitlers death, you are in fact a Nazi.

    There’s also no meaningful Goblin Orc or Blood presence as far as I’ve seen so no they don’t need any forsaken there to make them
    Druids later.
    But we don't know if these specific Forsaken were onboard with it though, unless you want to make the blanket statement that all Forsaken are in fact the same singular Forsaken.

    They are nameless, and so we can't link them specifically to any one Forsaken in BfA.

    Goblins have Shamans, Orcs have Shamans, and Belves are in fact elves. All of them have a preexisting link to a nature themed class like Druid, even if noone we have seen of those races so far have been a druid. Just like how Dwarves don't have any druids, but we still accept that it would make sense given Wildhammer dwarves are a thing.
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    Again, the only Forsaken in the Dream I have found are Dark Rangers (some of who are Nelves, and all of who have an innate connection to nature as they are Rangers) and Voss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Can you point some responsible for war crimes that lead Forsaken currently? Cause it's not like we have many characters to study, and during burning of Teldrassil you can see only Sylvanas, Nathanos and Saurfang.
    The forsaken council current holds.

    Velonara Leader of the dark rangers who were Sylvanas personal troops and who took part in the battle for dark shore.

    Faranell Leader of the Apothecary who helped make and deploy the blight under Sylvanas and was at the battle for dark shore.

    Belmont Leader of the forsaken assassins, also apart of dark shore.

    Lilian Voss Who was at the front of the horde war campaign.

    Calia the only member not involved.

    Every one but Calia and Voss are long standing members of forsaken society and have been leaders since classic or cata and all fully backed Sylvnas until she left them.


    So as I said it’s like getting rid of Hitler but leaving every other leader of the Nazi’s alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Well Done Steak View Post
    Okay but again, trying to achieve atonement for their actions by protecting the world tree makes 100% sense.

    What, you want a quest that has us execute every forsaken responsible?
    Wanting mock “atonement” makes sense, doing it in a way that would upset victims in such a way after you got off scot free doesn’t and those victims letting you any where near them doesn’t.

    And there should have been a massive reckoning after the war, the fact that there was nothing at all is again blizzards awful writing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    But we don't know if these specific Forsaken were onboard with it though, unless you want to make the blanket statement that all Forsaken are in fact the same singular Forsaken.
    Go play Through BFA and if you don’t see Voss and then dark rangers then you should go to an eye doctor.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Well Done Steak View Post
    Remember how blizz said they want sepulcher to be a 2 final boss raid?

    I'm thinking Fyrakk is "anduin"...

    Then in 10.2.5 we're going to get an extra mini raid with 2 or 3 bosses with a titanic theme. Either tyr or Odyn as final boss. My guess is Odyn.

    Then 2.7 will close out the exp and 11.0 Release in aug
    Is the Vyranoth questline available on the ptr? Seems like we visit odyn with her and we will finally know which side odyn is on.



    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Speaking of Kirin Tor... what was the point of Khadgar coming to the Isles?
    He also comes with us to defend the dream. As far as i can tell he doesn't have any role in the campaign but he is there i guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolicious View Post
    Is the Vyranoth questline available on the ptr? Seems like we visit odyn with her and we will finally know which side odyn is on.




    He also comes with us to defend the dream. As far as i can tell he doesn't have any role in the campaign but he is there i guess.
    It doesnt seem we are there to deal with Odyn at all, more like we ask him for the stormdragons. Which is the quest with wrathion and vyranoth.

    No hints for Odyn being evil it seems like... maybe later idk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolicious View Post
    Is the Vyranoth questline available on the ptr? Seems like we visit odyn with her and we will finally know which side odyn is on.




    He also comes with us to defend the dream. As far as i can tell he doesn't have any role in the campaign but he is there i guess.
    Oh shit do we??

    No way!

    God that might be the set up then. Man do I want to stomp out that titanic asshole so bad

  14. #16294
    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    The forsaken council current holds.

    Velonara Leader of the dark rangers who were Sylvanas personal troops and who took part in the battle for dark shore.

    Faranell Leader of the Apothecary who helped make and deploy the blight under Sylvanas and was at the battle for dark shore.

    Belmont Leader of the forsaken assassins, also apart of dark shore.

    Lilian Voss Who was at the front of the horde war campaign.

    Calia the only member not involved.

    Every one but Calia and Voss are long standing members of forsaken society and have been leaders since classic or cata and all fully backed Sylvnas until she left them.
    I'm guessing you're one of the "anything that the Night Elves don't like is a war crime" people. Battle for Darkshore was a very standard conflict for this franchise. Do you mean the raising of undead because they already established that's completely consensual; they even added that context to make it explicitly clear. A forsaken can just will themselves to death.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Again we have all of BFA. If you are only “repentant” after your leader calls you nothing and abandons you then you don’t have a leg to stand on. And yes if you were a card carrying Nazi took part in Nazi operations and were fully onboard until you heard of Hitlers death, you are in fact a Nazi.
    I bet you're going to hate that the repentant Fire Druids that want to help too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    No hints for Odyn being evil it seems like... maybe later idk.
    You have to fight two people before him in the Halls of Valor, and then "confront" Odyn. So it's not just walking in and talking to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Ya who can forget when Germany didn’t punish any one other then Hitler and it was still ran by the same Nazi members minus him after the war right?
    ...you might want to check some history books. It took a while to get replacements trained up.

    For that matter, allying up with factions that were recently enemies was a pretty common passtime in medieval Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    I'm guessing you're one of the "anything that the Night Elves don't like is a war crime" people.
    Genocide tends to be one yes.

    Do you mean the raising of undead because they already established that's completely consensual;
    it’s not as stated explicitly by Sira.

    I bet you're going to hate that the repentant Fire Druids that want to help too.
    Come back when they commit Genocide and then want to help out and I’ll feel the same about them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    You have to fight two people before him in the Halls of Valor, and then "confront" Odyn. So it's not just walking in and talking to him.
    We had to do that in the Halls of Valor to prove ourselves before, so it isn't like this is a new thing to come in and fight and confront him.

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    Damn those Night Elves.

    Being cross with a group that genocided them. Spoiled brats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    ...you might want to check some history books. It took a while to get replacements trained up.

    For that matter, allying up with factions that were recently enemies was a pretty common passtime in medieval Europe.
    How many of theses never faced any consequences and stayed in there positions?

    Because that’s the state of the forsaken with 3/5 of the leaders holding such roles under Sylvanas, one being part of her top operatives during the war and one uninvolved.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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