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    Quote Originally Posted by Annihilas View Post
    Bullshit, she pulled a fast one and did things that went beyond any "known" plans. She deceived many until the very end and even made sure by word of mouth that the story of the burning tree would became a twisted version of the truth.
    No one knew she was going to burn the tree, but every one stood with her after doing so and went along with he total war against the alliance.

    There was also no twisting of the truth after it happened, this wasn’t some secret thing few knew about it was a major action with thousands of soldiers involved who cheered while the tree burned and we see again and again that she has popular support.

    Exactly this.
    See my reply. 3/5 of the current leading council were in leadership roles of the forsaken since classic/cata and all took part in dark shore and of the 2 new comers one was at every part of the horde war campaign.

    The forsaken should have nothing to do with any thing night elf related while these people go total unpunished for there role against them and continue to lead the forsaken.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    No one knew she was going to burn the tree, but every one stood with her after doing so and went along with he total war against the alliance.

    There was also no twisting of the truth after it happened, this wasn’t some secret thing few knew about it was a major action with thousands of soldiers involved who cheered while the tree burned and we see again and again that she has popular support.



    See my reply. 3/5 of the current leading council were in leadership roles of the forsaken since classic/cata and all took part in dark shore and of the 2 new comers one was at every part of the horde war campaign.

    The forsaken should have nothing to do with any thing night elf related while these people go total unpunished for there role against them and continue to lead the forsaken.
    She was the fucking WARCHIEF. You can't expect even the most noble Horde to just go against direct orders from the commander and chief without risking death or imprisonment.

    Plus if I remember correctly all the true loyalists were chained up after she killed saurfang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Uldaz is definitely something we could require Tyr for. Maybe only he knows that it's where Iridikron would go to summon the Titans back to Azeroth or whatever.
    Still, until that point there is still nothing that Tyr being revived solves that warrants all the buildup. And while it might be hindsight, there wouldn't then be a reason why we couldn't simply revive Tyr at the beginning and just have him be a regular quest giver in Valdrakken.



    The Eredar quest unlocks a few week in I believe.

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    This is also a good point towards antagonistic Tyr.
    Without an actual purpose to Tyr being revived we gravitate towards him simply commenting on the changes since he died. And Vyranoth being angry at him, coupled with him seemingly not caring about his experiments leads us to a collision course for the two characters. And since Vyranoth furthermore is being built up as an ally it would then logically follow that Tyr is antagonistic.
    My thoughts as well, Tyr will just be there and will likely follow hes order ideas. We dont know what tasks he might continue on. I would imagine he needs to be updated to the Vyranoth situation. She doesnt stand for order ideals and maybe Alex opinion on that matter has changed as well. We have yet to see a reaction, but this meeting can go completely wrong. What if hes response upon riviving is target locked on Vyranoth? What will alex do?

    There will be something there, Tyr cannot be like hey hello I am back lets get back to our usual chores. Its suppose to be a big deal so I would imagine.

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    Oh snap I forgot about Uldaz bring the last facility the maiden of vitality mentioned in BFA.

    And the freaking infinite hand lists it too????

    Dude, that totally going to be the mini raid of 2.5. isn't it obvious???? Prob in a mini zone Avaloren, if it's not the 11.0 setting.

    Cuz yeah, right now Tyr has no purpose if he's not even in the .2 campaign to defend the tree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foreign Exchange Ztudent View Post
    Speed doesn't really matter if we are now going to play this "Will the expansion be cut every x.2 patch" discourse every expansion.
    Okay but the only reason people are asking that is because Shadowlands stopped at 9.2 and that expansion was dealing with a global pandemic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    No one knew she was going to burn the tree, but every one stood with her after doing so and went along with he total war against the alliance.

    The forsaken should have nothing to do with any thing night elf related while these people go total unpunished for there role against them and continue to lead the forsaken.
    Sanctioned by their patron goddess. "No one knew" Elune knew. She wanted it to happen. And now, as direct result of the tree being burned, the Aspects are going to get their powers back. These are the actual results of those "mysterious ways" religious types like to brag about.

    You have to deal with the nonsense logic of punishing something that was the direct result of divine intervention and how it makes no sense to blame anyone for something they had no real choice in.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Revamp will give them a pass. Cut a raid tier for Silvermoin City? Easy money.
    Also do Blizzard need to be reminded they can do a small raid? Either as a major patch (5 - 8 bosses) or a minor patch (2 - 4) bosses. Seems to me the perfect end to this expansion would be a 5 boss raid released in 10.3 & then fated versions of all the raids released in 10.3.5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Revamp will give them a pass. Cut a raid tier for Silvermoin City? Easy money.

    Also we are still getting 10.2.5 and could get a 10.2.7 and a new dungeon.
    Yeah, another megadungeon would help a lot. For example changing Nighthold 'Karazhan style' into dungeon with new and returning bosses. They are teasing it's return, but when I think about it timewalking raid as seasonal content feels weird, Nighthold was current tier only 5 months, but we raided it for transmog/mounts for years. And they have already tested Fated system for raids.

    Imo we will have 3 more patches:

    1) On Blizzcon revealing 11.0 + giving roadmap, 10.2 right after Blizzcon + next PTR around same time

    2) 10.2.2 - January, timewalking BfA (+ expanding timewalking in general to open world), playable Shaman, Paladin or Druid for all races, Heritage Troll/Draenei

    3) 10.2.5 - March, new megadungeon + open world content, patch similar to 10.1.5, epilogue for Dragonflight - we get disc of Tyr, playable Shaman, Paladin or Druid, also catch up for Season 3 similar to Forbidden Reach and Dreamsurges.

    4) 10.2.7 - May, start of Season 4 - Fated raids (with systems like dinars returning), 2 M+ from megadungeon + 6 old ones, maybe first season with solo rated battlegrounds (I expect it for 11.0 though), playable Shaman, Paladin or Druid, heritage for Pandaren and Dracthyr (kinda serving like post credit DF scene).

    5) Alpha/Beta from June to October.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Well Done Steak View Post
    Oh snap I forgot about Uldaz bring the last facility the maiden of vitality mentioned in BFA.

    And the freaking infinite hand lists it too????

    Dude, that totally going to be the mini raid of 2.5. isn't it obvious???? Prob in a mini zone Avaloren, if it's not the 11.0 setting.

    Cuz yeah, right now Tyr has no purpose if he's not even in the .2 campaign to defend the tree.
    Again we already fought Tyr in the Megadungeon. And why the hell would you want to waste Avaloren, which can be easily a continent on it's own just to make it a patch zone??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    I think it's rather this Eastern kingdoms+ light goes evil expansion idea. Overall the EK need a revamp much more. Also from a business perspective they can then split the revamp into two expansions
    "You're not going to get to go anywhere new for the next two expansions" is a tough sell. I really hope they just do it all at once if they're going to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    I think it's rather this Eastern kingdoms+ light goes evil expansion idea. Overall the EK need a revamp much more. Also from a business perspective they can then split the revamp into two expansions
    I'd be fine with a revamp spread over two expansions, more time to do the job properly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    My thoughts as well, Tyr will just be there and will likely follow hes order ideas. We dont know what tasks he might continue on. I would imagine he needs to be updated to the Vyranoth situation. She doesnt stand for order ideals and maybe Alex opinion on that matter has changed as well. We have yet to see a reaction, but this meeting can go completely wrong. What if hes response upon riviving is target locked on Vyranoth? What will alex do?

    There will be something there, Tyr cannot be like hey hello I am back lets get back to our usual chores. Its suppose to be a big deal so I would imagine.
    If there will be an open feud between them, it will DEFINITELY involve the White Scales. The Aspects will be aware of them entering the picture (I do wonder why there are so many full-grown versions of them already). It may as well serve as the way to put the escalation down between Vyranoth and Tyr (and therefore, the Keepers).

    An example: Tyr's now-complete "flight" and forces are allowed to stay on the Dragon Isles and coexist with the Dragons for the egg-waters in the Ruby Life Pools no longer being infused with Order magic.

    Content-and-story-wise, it would be enough to fit into 10.2.5 and give this sub-plot a somewhat thorough conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Also do Blizzard need to be reminded they can do a small raid? Either as a major patch (5 - 8 bosses) or a minor patch (2 - 4) bosses. Seems to me the perfect end to this expansion would be a 5 boss raid released in 10.3 & then fated versions of all the raids released in 10.3.5
    I imagine they stopped doing them after Crucible of Storms showed it only worked if it had as much effort put into it as Trial of Valor. It wasnt really a guaranteed success like what the Megadungeons were.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Yeah, another megadungeon would help a lot. For example changing Nighthold 'Karazhan style' into dungeon with new and returning bosses. They are teasing it's return, but when I think about it timewalking raid as seasonal content feels weird, Nighthold was current tier only 5 months, but we raided it for transmog/mounts for years. And they have already tested Fated system for raids.

    Imo we will have 3 more patches:

    1) On Blizzcon revealing 11.0 + giving roadmap, 10.2 right after Blizzcon + next PTR around same time

    2) 10.2.2 - January, timewalking BfA (+ expanding timewalking in general to open world), playable Shaman, Paladin or Druid for all races, Heritage Troll/Draenei

    3) 10.2.5 - March, new megadungeon + open world content, patch similar to 10.1.5, epilogue for Dragonflight - we get disc of Tyr, playable Shaman, Paladin or Druid, also catch up for Season 3 similar to Forbidden Reach and Dreamsurges.

    4) 10.2.7 - May, start of Season 4 - Fated raids (with systems like dinars returning), 2 M+ from megadungeon + 6 old ones, maybe first season with solo rated battlegrounds (I expect it for 11.0 though), playable Shaman, Paladin or Druid, heritage for Pandaren and Dracthyr (kinda serving like post credit DF scene).

    5) Alpha/Beta from June to October.
    I was on the 10.3 team but I have to admit it's more likely that DF will stop after 10.2.7! We're still gonna get some exciting content though I'm sure. Draenei and Troll heritage sets I look forward to see, Pandaren as well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post
    I was on the 10.3 team but I have to admit it's more likely that DF will stop after 10.2.7! We're still gonna get some exciting content though I'm sure. Draenei and Troll heritage sets I look forward to see, Pandaren as well!
    Not even 10.2.7 is guaranteed because the files only listed 10.2.5 and 11.0. They could add one in after the fact, but IDK.

    I am also expecting Drae and Troll heritage, but maybe they will delay Drae because of the Manari quest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Again we already fought Tyr in the Megadungeon. And why the hell would you want to waste Avaloren, which can be easily a continent on it's own just to make it a patch zone??
    Feels a bit silly to use "waste" in regards to Avaloren. We "learned" about it this expansion, and I say "learned" because we don't really know anything about it besides that it's a place. Like they could easily throw in two more new place names in a clickable object in 10.2 and we'd have two new Avaloren-tier locations established for future continents.

    It's not like this is Nazjatar or Argus or something, where it's an actual location with a properly established long-term lore enemy and context, where we know what it could be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Not even 10.2.7 is guaranteed because the files only listed 10.2.5 and 11.0. They could add one in after the fact, but IDK.

    I am also expecting Drae and Troll heritage, but maybe they will delay Drae because of the Manari quest?
    Wasn't that file some stuff for dragonriding? It's possible that only 10.2.5 and 11.0 will have new world cup content added.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Not even 10.2.7 is guaranteed because the files only listed 10.2.5 and 11.0. They could add one in after the fact, but IDK.

    I am also expecting Drae and Troll heritage, but maybe they will delay Drae because of the Manari quest?
    .7's are pretty minor, so I don't think it's as important that they're not listed. Given they've seemed to really taken a shine to the .0 > .5 > .7 major, update, minor cadence, I'd expect they'd keep around a .7 patch for 10.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Well Done Steak View Post
    She was the fucking WARCHIEF. You can't expect even the most noble Horde to just go against direct orders from the commander and chief without risking death or imprisonment.

    Plus if I remember correctly all the true loyalists were chained up after she killed saurfang.
    BFA starts with Saurfang going against her direct orders, ends with Baine and abunch of others doing the same thing, and even Sylvanas her self and many others went against Garrosh's direct orders when he was warchief in cata.

    "just following order" is not an excuse.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Again we already fought Tyr in the Megadungeon. And why the hell would you want to waste Avaloren, which can be easily a continent on it's own just to make it a patch zone??
    Didn't say we gonna fight Tyr, we might, I'm saying Uldaz is probably going to be a mini raid after amirdrassil as the infinite hand lists it and is the only uld facility left from the maiden's list. Uldorus being tyrhold.

    I don't think Tyr will be an enemy, my money is on Odyn.

    As, for Avaloren, that's up to blizz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    BFA starts with Saurfang going against her direct orders, ends with Baine and abunch of others doing the same thing, and even Sylvanas her self and many others went against Garrosh's direct orders when he was warchief in cata.

    "just following order" is not an excuse.
    None of them were instant.... It all took time. You expect INSTANT insubordination, which isn't realistic.

    So yeah it's an excuse when it takes time and careful planning to dethrone your commander and chief.

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    X.7 patches goal have been to progress the story a bit while giving players tools to get some decent gear easily before the next big content patch

    With Fyrakk getting killed in the last raid tier and Vyranoth switching side, it feels like the story of Dragonflight will come to an end with this raid tier. So I wouldn't expect a 10.2.7 patch nor will I expect to see a 10.3 patch. It's a bit sad honestly that this expansion story ends this way, the incarnates have been better than Zovaal for sure but I enjoyed better how Shadowlands story ended compared to Dragonflight.

    We will see in November what the game can offer for the future, for now I'm being quite pessimistic due to bad quality of the story content of 10.1.7 and the very little bits we've seen of 10.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skildar View Post
    X.7 patches goal have been to progress the story a bit while giving players tools to get some decent gear easily before the next big content patch

    With Fyrakk getting killed in the last raid tier and Vyranoth switching side, it feels like the story of Dragonflight will come to an end with this raid tier. So I wouldn't expect a 10.2.7 patch nor will I expect to see a 10.3 patch. It's a bit sad honestly that this expansion story ends this way, the incarnates have been better than Zovaal for sure but I enjoyed better how Shadowlands story ended compared to Dragonflight.

    We will see in November what the game can offer for the future, for now I'm being quite pessimistic due to bad quality of the story content of 10.1.7 and the very little bits we've seen of 10.2
    You'll feel different for 2.5 and the potential Uldaz mini raid.

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