1. #16881
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    Okay. Don't be surprised when Blizzcon happens and there's no 10.3 though.
    Actually, I will be very surprised -- so far, they promised and delivered an amazing cadence of patches this year, and pretty much every 8 weeks at that, this has been a huge, huge success for them. If they suddenly stop, it would mean they don't have to be WOD or SL to not have 3 major patches.

    So at the moment, I believe all the .5/.7 patches are just simply new additions & not a replacement for the third major patch.

  2. #16882
    Quote Originally Posted by Revamp Man View Post
    But Yrel isn't on Azeroth
    There's time lost uncorrupted arrakoa in thaldrasus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graden View Post
    What do you mean exactly? Did the prepatch took place in those zones?
    Sorry I haven't played since mid Shadowlands so I wouldn't know.
    There was no Gilneas content in the prepatch.

    I think they meant the epilogue quests in 9.2.5 where Calia has us give Genn a letter where she talks about removing Forsaken troops from Gilneas.


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  4. #16884
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Blizzard said that Ardenweald is it's supposed sister realm, so it's more likely that the Dream is Elune's realm, and that the Titans simply took from it.

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    I seriously think Elune has more to do with Azeroth's ordering process than we know.
    I think its connected to the incursion where we see that too much life has taken over (the one with Freya). Maybe Elune knew life couldnt be the only one so allowed Order to take some of it and used it on Azeroth. Life and Order have always been closely connected in my POV so it would make sense that Elune helped the Order Pantheon. It would make sense looking back on the Legion Keystones and Eonar having Life powers even though shes Order
    Quote Originally Posted by Greyscale View Post
    But then again, in the story, we're pretty brutal murder machines and not really "strategical assets". Just send us in and we'll murder everything in our way!
    So I guess the solution here is simple - we'll murder everyone.

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    The logic we are contending with here is that Blizzard would show a 2024 Roadmap to a live audience that depicts the removal of content and reduction of expansion content output.

    That's the only real sticking point if we had the Roadmap already then, sure.

    Obviously maybe they won't even show the Roadmap and they will just try and blow this situation over with the Expansion news.

    I definitely vibe with the fact that Blizzard are downsizing WoW and trying to reduce overbearing costs of a non-growth franchise. It just feels like the direction we're heading.
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  6. #16886
    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post


    Almost Velen time in EU!
    Is this for the Man'ari Eredar skin customisation?

  7. #16887
    Quote Originally Posted by Vlyse View Post
    Fyrakk's the number-two baddie, just like Ragnaros also threatened the World Tree and was a serious threat but wasn't the last and biggest boss in Cataclysm. Iridikron's your Deathwing this expansion, making deals and creating distractions while he continues his schemes. It was Iridikron who set the Sundered Flame (10.1) and Fyrakk (10.2) on their paths. He ties the previous two patches together, and he is a common enemy for Alex and Tyr. And just like Iridikron is distracting the heroes in-game, Blizzard is distracting us with Fyrakk. It's an intentional beat and it'll be a huge story twist for casual players.

    One thing I'll say, tho, is I'm perplexed by Vyranoth turning so quickly in the story. An ice dragon leading a frost-filled invasion of the Dream would've been a lot more fun than Firelands 2.0, imo.
    Should have made Vyranoth the psycho, and Fyrakk the down to earth one...
    Why the stereotypical fire-based villains Blizzard? (Okay it's cooler that's why lol)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annihilas View Post
    Should have made Vyranoth the psycho, and Fyrakk the down to earth one...
    Why the stereotypical fire-based villains Blizzard? (Okay it's cooler that's why lol)
    Because Raszhageth was already a little bit psycho? Why the stereotypical female-goes-psycho-based villains Annihilas?

    Btw, talking about bosses - now that Vyranoth is our bestie, I really hope we still get her skin as a mount reward down the line, maybe via the main campaign or epilogue?

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  9. #16889
    Quote Originally Posted by Annihilas View Post
    Should have made Vyranoth the psycho, and Fyrakk the down to earth one...
    Why the stereotypical fire-based villains Blizzard? (Okay it's cooler that's why lol)
    Well the Blue have really given up on the frost theme except living in cold places so there was an opening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashrana View Post
    So, what would be your reaction, if you found out, that come cata release first patch, blizzard were planning to kill everyone by sending a bear through the mail?

  10. #16890
    Quote Originally Posted by Foreign Exchange Ztudent View Post
    The logic we are contending with here is that Blizzard would show a 2024 Roadmap to a live audience that depicts the removal of content and reduction of expansion content output.

    That's the only real sticking point if we had the Roadmap already then, sure.

    Obviously maybe they won't even show the Roadmap and they will just try and blow this situation over with the Expansion news.

    I definitely vibe with the fact that Blizzard are downsizing WoW and trying to reduce overbearing costs of a non-growth franchise. It just feels like the direction we're heading.
    I still think it could work if it's sandwiched between several things players do want.
    Then, rather than focus on how there isn't a 10.3, or at least a major 10.3. You focus on everything you do get in 2024. With a big focus on 11.0 after summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Is this for the Man'ari Eredar skin customisation?
    Probably, yeah.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

  11. #16891
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Btw, talking about bosses - now that Vyranoth is our bestie, I really hope we still get her skin as a mount reward down the line, maybe via the main campaign or epilogue?
    Yeah I reckon we either get it through a campaign or as a Traveler's Log reward at some point.
    Could be a reward for the, hopefully, upcoming Red flight story as I can't imagine her not being involved in that now.

  12. #16892
    Quote Originally Posted by RahEndymion View Post
    Probably but I think they're likely to try and avoid the assumption that every cosmic force has a specific 'domain' in the vein of shadowlands. In the 2020 cosmology chart it seemed to suggest Shadowlands was more akin to the Dream than it was to something like the Twisting Nether or the Void.

    It's a bit confusing because the chart sort of implies that if there is a 'Domain of Life' then there is also a 'Domain of Death' that is more than part of the Shadowlands. Not sure if that is a good or bad thing really.

    It would be cathartic if we learned that the Shadowlands are not the true afterlife, or the true realm of death.
    The best course of action would be to:
    A.) Solidify the Titans as the real "First Ones" in the Game's Universe.
    B.) Turn the Shadowlands into the Titan's own abandoned pet project.
    C.) Make the creation of Dreadlords something the Titans never knew.
    D.) Emerald Dream is Elunes domain, but something happened to her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foreign Exchange Ztudent View Post
    The logic we are contending with here is that Blizzard would show a 2024 Roadmap to a live audience that depicts the removal of content and reduction of expansion content output.

    That's the only real sticking point if we had the Roadmap already then, sure.

    Obviously maybe they won't even show the Roadmap and they will just try and blow this situation over with the Expansion news.

    I definitely vibe with the fact that Blizzard are downsizing WoW and trying to reduce overbearing costs of a non-growth franchise. It just feels like the direction we're heading.
    This is so stupid. I get people liking raids may hate Blizzard decision about 3 raids + fated model, but this is ridiculous to say Blizzard is downsizing WoW or reducing cost while we got more outdoor content than ever (and we still don't know what awaits in post 10.2 small patches) - not only main continent is big as Northrend and filled with stuff like modern zones, but also in patches we get 1 unused small zone + 2 big new zones.

    If they wanted 4th raid, they could EASILY make this even with exactly same resources. How? Change megadungeon into raid, move Forbidden reach from 10.0.7 to 10.1.5 and call it 10.2. DONE.

    I know this may be culture shock after old expacs when often raids were ONLY content we get in patches. But raids are no longer only or even main PVE content most invested people focus on, it's just one of several progression paths in game.

  14. #16894
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Speaking of Tyr... I thought this toy was VERY interesting.

    https://ptr.wowdb.com/items/208798-r...-of-tyrs-guard

    The MEMORIES of Tyrs Guard? Are they gone already?
    Likely no, but hoping that means they will play a larger role in his resurrection and the resolution between him and the Aspects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Speaking of Tyr... I thought this toy was VERY interesting.

    https://ptr.wowdb.com/items/208798-r...-of-tyrs-guard

    The MEMORIES of Tyrs Guard? Are they gone already?
    Doubt about that, they looks like way to introduce Paladins to all races at once.

    But this probably means that mission to recover disc in Nighthold will be 10.2 thing. Wasn't also some scenario with Odin datamined?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annihilas View Post
    The best course of action would be to:
    A.) Solidify the Titans as the real "First Ones" in the Game's Universe.
    B.) Turn the Shadowlands into the Titan's own abandoned pet project.
    C.) Make the creation of Dreadlords something the Titans never knew.
    D.) Emerald Dream is Elunes domain, but something happened to her.
    I think you're spot on with this honestly. That would be my preferred outcome. I wouldn't mind there being a precursor or even parallel group of non-titan 'first ones' but it does sort of grate that both groups are attempting to fill the same roll for what appears to be no good reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    My head cannon is that the first ones sectioned off a piece of the Death realm and created the ordered Shadowlands.

    So the SL is to the Death realm what The emerald Dream is to the life realm. Now the Dream is just 1 planet and Titan created, but maybe the Titans stumbled onto it and reshaped something that already existed to fir their needs. IE re origination. What if the First Ones created billions or trillions of realms like the ED but the Titans only stumbled upon Azeroths and remade it in their image.

    Or it could be that there is a First Ones created Lifelands too, but that its kind of a pocket dimension of the true primordial life plane. Maybe the Titans created the Dream from a part of the actual Life plane just how the First Ones created the SL out of the Death Dimension.
    This is pretty much my assumption too. The 'first ones' created the Shadowlands and engineered them to be work in the way they do rather than the true and standard functioning of the original or wider true realm of death. I think this allows a lot more interesting future story telling than just 'This is death now' and perhaps a somewhat more interesting characterization of the first ones.

    Rather than gods I think it makes more sense to view both the first ones and titans as more similar to aliens or just sentient beings from elsewhere. I know they are described as the pantheon of order and death (although I cant remember if that is just fancannon or actually written as such) but I think the concept of multiple cosmic 'pantheons' in each domain doesn't really hold and somewhat cheapens the concept of a godly pantheon or precursor species in the first place.

    Personally, I think that the Titans/First Ones are their most interesting when viewed as an ancient immortal(for titans at least) race of beings with a specific agenda rather than some all powerful creator species.

    Interested to see how this could actually impact future lore and what direction people think the dev's will actually take things?

  18. #16898
    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    https://twitter.com/TheRedShirtGuy/s...80318764806186

    This is such a non-issue. Holy shit...
    The daily mainstream propaganda seems to have increasingly dumbfounded results.
    People who have issues with this kind of shit should turn off any mainstream news and just go outside and form their own opinions through experience.

    Wokeism must die ASAP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    https://twitter.com/TheRedShirtGuy/s...80318764806186

    This is such a non-issue. Holy shit...
    Yeah that is a massive reach on his part. Looking at a pointy wizard hat and thinking it looks the same as a capirote because if the similar pointy end just seems desperate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annihilas View Post
    The best course of action would be to:
    A.) Solidify the Titans as the real "First Ones" in the Game's Universe.
    B.) Turn the Shadowlands into the Titan's own abandoned pet project.
    C.) Make the creation of Dreadlords something the Titans never knew.
    D.) Emerald Dream is Elunes domain, but something happened to her.
    This was how I imagined it back at the end of SL at least. Just don't bother creating a new tier of celestial beings above the Titans, and instead just make the Titans more important than before.
    Sure, we have seen and interracted wiht the Titans before, but it's not like that was a constant thing. We could easily keep it just as mysterious by playing it up when the Titans inevitably disappear again. The red star is still in the Skies of Azeroth, and once it disappears it should have some ramifications for the plot.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    https://twitter.com/TheRedShirtGuy/s...80318764806186

    This is such a non-issue. Holy shit...
    Modern WoW player moment.

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