1. #16901
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Yeah that is a massive reach on his part. Looking at a pointy wizard hat and thinking it looks the same as a capirote because if the similar pointy end just seems desperate.

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    This was how I imagined it back at the end of SL at least. Just don't bother creating a new tier of celestial beings above the Titans, and instead just make the Titans more important than before.
    Sure, we have seen and interracted wiht the Titans before, but it's not like that was a constant thing. We could easily keep it just as mysterious by playing it up when the Titans inevitably disappear again. The red star is still in the Skies of Azeroth, and once it disappears it should have some ramifications for the plot.
    In Metzen we trust...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
    Yrel snooze fest.
    I can’t wait to go yet another expansion without seeing Yrel.
    Every expansion isn't going to appeal to every player.

    Also “very popular” lol. Pretty sure I remember not many people liking Yrel in WoD because she was such a Mary Sue.
    I didn't say "very popular", I said "popular" in that she appears in Blizzard media outside of WoW. For example, there's a new Yrel hero skin in Hearthstone for the current Titan expansion;



    With that logic Thrall also fits in a void/old god expansion given he was center stage in the visions of N’zoth. (And don’t forget the entirety of cataclysm.)
    Thrall's familial connections with the Mag'har goes quite a bit deeper than him playing a central role in a given conflict. He views the Mag'har as his people, with the leader of the Mag'har serving as a mentor to his wife for example. Essentially if Yrel invades, one of her prime targets is going to be the Mag'har that escaped Draenor, and that involves Thrall in a personal way.

    Or maybe thrall is just on the art because of Metzen’s return which will be likely a hype point at Blizzcon.
    Doubtful, considering the rather consistent history of the expansion's theme showing up in the BlizzCon key art prior to the event. IMO, Metzen playing a major role in the announcement just reinforces the notion that 11.0 is going to be very orc-centered, just like WoD was 10 years prior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revamp Man View Post
    Name one reason the infinites would do it
    Morchie wants payback for us thwarting the Infinite's plans in the mini dungeon? An infinite drake views an advantage from a Yrel invasion? They're evil d-bags? Blizzard could create any BS reason they want. The point is that the Infinite Dragonflight has the means and the desire to pull something like that story-wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebonn View Post
    Clearly. Lol.

    Unfortunately feelings don’t mean much. I have never been less interested in a character than Yrel so I hope you’re wrong. Also unfortunately, I believe after 10 e pensions, leftover ideas like Yrel could very well be explored because they don’t have anything better.

    But they could really make it more interesting with a character with more depth.
    These are all opinions of course, but the notion of light and the Draenei being the enemy is a novel one, and Blizzard can do a lot with it. Alongside the irony that we stopped Garrosh's Iron Horde from invading Azeroth, but we ended up creating another, more dangerous horde in the process.

    In the end, religious villainy can be quite interesting and contain a lot of depth if done properly. This partially explains why many here would like to see a return of the Scarlet Crusade for example.

  4. #16904
    Quote Originally Posted by Terremer View Post
    All this for a wizard's hat, everything that is most classic in fantasy
    I don't know how people can take this seriously
    I checked further, and apparently it's a case of "le poc people say its bad therefore it's bad and the people acting incredulous at such a dumb, reaching claim proves that the hat is bad and courts toxic evil booboo stinky people"

    Just the usual twitter nonsense by terminally online people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    I checked further, and apparently it's a case of "le poc people say its bad therefore it's bad and the people acting incredulous at such a dumb, reaching claim proves that the hat is bad and courts toxic evil booboo stinky people"

    Just the usual twitter nonsense by terminally online people.
    It's sad that these terminally online people, the twitter and reddit crowd, seem to be the very people with the ear of the dev's now days.

    Personally, I don't think there's a single good thing that has come from needlessly conflating things in a fictional universe with real life evil. Specially when it's as asinine as 'vague white coloured triangular head piece is similar to vague white coloured triangular head piece worn by racists in one country'.

    Hopefully this just blows under the rug and 10.2.2 doesn't come complete with the removal of everything that could be mistaken for something bad by somebody both drunk and partially sighted.

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    It was really just two people that were saying it could be seen as racist (though one of them is part of the twitter cabal of like ten users Blizzard seems to listen to a lot). Now that it blew up and people dogpiled them, it will definitely be changed.

    Next time don't go so crazy on them.

  7. #16907
    Quote Originally Posted by Terremer View Post
    the problem is that Blizzard will definitely listen to them and ruin the set
    for a long time I wanted a classic wizard's pointy hat like the vanilla ones...
    Quote Originally Posted by RahEndymion View Post
    It's sad that these terminally online people, the twitter and reddit crowd, seem to be the very people with the ear of the dev's now days.

    Personally, I don't think there's a single good thing that has come from needlessly conflating things in a fictional universe with real life evil. Specially when it's as asinine as 'vague white coloured triangular head piece is similar to vague white coloured triangular head piece worn by racists in one country'.

    Hopefully this just blows under the rug and 10.2.2 doesn't come complete with the removal of everything that could be mistaken for something bad by somebody both drunk and partially sighted.
    Yep, you're right. Sadly, this is the case and the most you can do is hope that they don't reflexively kowtow to these nonsense demands out of a fear that if they don't, they'll be "courting outrage again."

    It's just Baalsamael and his clique of pathologically umbrage-taking twitter warriors again, but there's a good chance Blizzard just sees "PEOPLE ANGRY. MUST CHANGE/REMOVE." Let's hope that's not the case.

  8. #16908
    Quote Originally Posted by Annihilas View Post
    The best course of action would be to:
    A.) Solidify the Titans as the real "First Ones" in the Game's Universe.
    B.) Turn the Shadowlands into the Titan's own abandoned pet project.
    C.) Make the creation of Dreadlords something the Titans never knew.
    D.) Emerald Dream is Elunes domain, but something happened to her.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    This was how I imagined it back at the end of SL at least. Just don't bother creating a new tier of celestial beings above the Titans, and instead just make the Titans more important than before.
    Sure, we have seen and interracted wiht the Titans before, but it's not like that was a constant thing. We could easily keep it just as mysterious by playing it up when the Titans inevitably disappear again. The red star is still in the Skies of Azeroth, and once it disappears it should have some ramifications for the plot.
    Honestly, the first two bits aren't much better than what we have now. I prefer the titans as exceedingly-advanced aliens with a drive to order the material universe; the only reason why I think they and the First Ones are redundant is because the First Ones manifest nigh-identically, not because they're conceptually similar on a fundamental level. More prominently, the idea behind the First Ones is itself terrible because it cheapens the other Cosmic Forces. Upping the titans beyond their current ken into the same position wouldn't mitigate the problem in the least.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Yep, you're right. Sadly, this is the case and the most you can do is hope that they don't reflexively kowtow to these nonsense demands out of a fear that if they don't, they'll be "courting outrage again."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    https://twitter.com/TheRedShirtGuy/s...80318764806186

    This is such a non-issue. Holy shit...
    What drives me crazy about things like this is that changing this won't do a thing in the long run. If Blizz does indeed change this, then the trolls will just go back to the old hat they were using. If Blizz takes out that hat as well, those trolls will just find another one to use, then another beyond that.

    Chasing the willingness of trolls to use/ruin any symbol they can is a game you can never hope to win. This is where Blizz actually spending out for a properly sized customer service team to help with issues like this would be really nice. Yet, that's not the Blizz we have these days.

  10. #16910
    Quote Originally Posted by RahEndymion View Post
    It's sad that these terminally online people, the twitter and reddit crowd, seem to be the very people with the ear of the dev's now days.

    Personally, I don't think there's a single good thing that has come from needlessly conflating things in a fictional universe with real life evil. Specially when it's as asinine as 'vague white coloured triangular head piece is similar to vague white coloured triangular head piece worn by racists in one country'.

    Hopefully this just blows under the rug and 10.2.2 doesn't come complete with the removal of everything that could be mistaken for something bad by somebody both drunk and partially sighted.
    This will serve as something of a test for just how ridiculous Blizzard's concessions to Twitter will get. We've already had a number, but this would solidly be the most egregious case because there's quite literally nothing at all to be upset about here. The last piece that was said to look like a Klan robe at least had some actual similarity, and the Alexstrasza rape thing was naturally a hot-button topic. This is an absolute non-issue, and it will serve to distinguish between Blizzard being merely generally deferential to Twitter and it being absolutely deferential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RahEndymion View Post
    Probably but I think they're likely to try and avoid the assumption that every cosmic force has a specific 'domain' in the vein of shadowlands. In the 2020 cosmology chart it seemed to suggest Shadowlands was more akin to the Dream than it was to something like the Twisting Nether or the Void.

    It's a bit confusing because the chart sort of implies that if there is a 'Domain of Life' then there is also a 'Domain of Death' that is more than part of the Shadowlands. Not sure if that is a good or bad thing really.

    It would be cathartic if we learned that the Shadowlands are not the true afterlife, or the true realm of death.
    One of the things I've long wondered is what the true nature of a soul is in Azeroth. We know that beings that pass go to the Shadowlands where the Arbiter sends them to a specific afterlife. Yet, we've also seen that the soul of a being can be removed & separated while still keeping them around. Uther was able to go to the Shadowlands even though his soul was around.

    What if souls on Azeroth are built of all of the cosmic forces which are then split amongst the various forces once they die? That is, we've seen the anima portion of Ursoc fade away, but might there also be a portion of him that is in the 'Domain of Life' as well, just in a different form?

  12. #16912
    Quote Originally Posted by AngerFork View Post
    What drives me crazy about things like this is that changing this won't do a thing in the long run. If Blizz does indeed change this, then the trolls will just go back to the old hat they were using. If Blizz takes out that hat as well, those trolls will just find another one to use, then another beyond that.
    That, or they just will find a new shtick. There's plenty of offensive or racist shticks they could use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngerFork View Post
    One of the things I've long wondered is what the true nature of a soul is in Azeroth. We know that beings that pass go to the Shadowlands where the Arbiter sends them to a specific afterlife. Yet, we've also seen that the soul of a being can be removed & separated while still keeping them around. Uther was able to go to the Shadowlands even though his soul was around.
    That was already clarified as being a product of Frostmourne fuckery: they came up with some nonsense about it dividing the soul, and Uther in particular evidently saw some intervention from the Light that led to one of the halves being ushered into Bastion and another half lingering on Azeroth from inside Frostmourne.
    Last edited by Le Conceptuel; 2023-09-12 at 01:19 PM.
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  13. #16913
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    I checked further, and apparently it's a case of "le poc people say its bad therefore it's bad and the people acting incredulous at such a dumb, reaching claim proves that the hat is bad and courts toxic evil booboo stinky people"

    Just the usual twitter nonsense by terminally online people.
    From what I see, it seems to be folks using the old Cata set to harass people, and people worried about this being used for the same

    Which frankly should have been a "Blizzard actually hire moderation to ban people for harassing people" situation so it never came up in the first place, but as the requested solution is just 'make it a bit more blue' I honestly can't get worked up over this. Hardly Twitter outrage so much as "Blizzard hasn't done anything against serial harassers" which is, yeah, a known and ongoing

  14. #16914
    Quote Originally Posted by AngerFork View Post
    What drives me crazy about things like this is that changing this won't do a thing in the long run. If Blizz does indeed change this, then the trolls will just go back to the old hat they were using. If Blizz takes out that hat as well, those trolls will just find another one to use, then another beyond that.

    Chasing the willingness of trolls to use/ruin any symbol they can is a game you can never hope to win. This is where Blizz actually spending out for a properly sized customer service team to help with issues like this would be really nice. Yet, that's not the Blizz we have these days.
    It's based on a fundamental misunderstanding of what the trolls are actually doing. Nothing is done to impede that, they're just sloppily painting over the old graffiti and then make pikachu faces when the trolls just spray new ones on the paintjob.

  15. #16915
    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    WoW Twitter and its consequences.
    Aye. Exactly that.

    Quote Originally Posted by AngerFork View Post
    What drives me crazy about things like this is that changing this won't do a thing in the long run. If Blizz does indeed change this, then the trolls will just go back to the old hat they were using. If Blizz takes out that hat as well, those trolls will just find another one to use, then another beyond that.

    Chasing the willingness of trolls to use/ruin any symbol they can is a game you can never hope to win. This is where Blizz actually spending out for a properly sized customer service team to help with issues like this would be really nice. Yet, that's not the Blizz we have these days.
    Regardless of anything else, getting rid of any design that may potentially somehow at some point in time in some place be used by "bad bad doo doo stinky meanies" is lunacy and I'm not sure how we've arrived at the point where it's even a conversation.

  16. #16916
    Quote Originally Posted by Mecheon View Post
    "Blizzard hasn't done anything against serial harassers" which is, yeah, a known and ongoing
    That much is perfectly true. Blizzard's complete negligence on that front has been astounding. Laying off the bulk of your customer support will invariably be disastrous.
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  17. #16917
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post


    Morchie wants payback for us thwarting the Infinite's plans in the mini dungeon? An infinite drake views an advantage from a Yrel invasion? They're evil d-bags? Blizzard could create any BS reason they want. The point is that the Infinite Dragonflight has the means and the desire to pull something like that story-wise.
    You should do the recently released quests

  18. #16918
    Quote Originally Posted by Revamp Man View Post
    You should do the recently released quests
    Sadly, Blizzard isn't seeming to go a way that's conducive to a continuous Infinite threat, but it would be ideal if there were a bit of untrustworthiness to the black-and-silver wan culminating in a parachronological paradigm shift.
    "We will soon be in a world in which a man may be howled down for saying that two and two make four."
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    You'll believe it when you see it for yourself.

  19. #16919
    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    Sadly, Blizzard isn't seeming to go a way that's conducive to a continuous Infinite threat, but it would be ideal if there were a bit of untrustworthiness to the black-and-silver wan culminating in a parachronological paradigm shift.
    I think currently it I'd building up to nozdormu eventually screwing with the timelines just because he wants to and then he falls to moruzond

  20. #16920
    The Aspects moving away from the Titans + the Bronze allying with some of the Infinite = HUGE increase in chances of Murozond.

    However I think this Murozond may end up good, or at least one of them will.

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