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    Quote Originally Posted by Revamp Man View Post
    You should do the recently released quests
    With Eternus and her sister?

    Converting one Infinite Dragon isn't converting all of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Regardless of anything else, getting rid of any design that may potentially somehow at some point in time in some place be used by "bad bad doo doo stinky meanies" is lunacy and I'm not sure how we've arrived at the point where it's even a conversation.
    The end result of that is just people getting angry that everybody is streaking anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    With Eternus and her sister?

    Converting one Infinite Dragon isn't converting all of them.
    What happened with her is probably not feasible with the majority of them anyway. And she had at least a willingness to talk in the first place.

    But understanding your enemies motivations is definitely important, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    I mean, the Void's always been this. There's just a much higher emphasis on it now due to the Old Gods not really being a thing anymore on Azeroth.
    Not really. A dominant Void motifs always were Old Gods with their tentacles, eyestalks, fleshy masses, madness and purple everywhere. We ditched almost all of this currently. Now we have an empty, navy blue space, silent stars, and some shapeless energy that attacks us. Whispers is the main thing that remained. During Sark fight an instakill is not going mad or getting smacked by a tentacle, but getting ejected into a space void. So like for the first time ever the Void is about actual void.

    I really prefer this version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    With Eternus and her sister?

    Converting one Infinite Dragon isn't converting all of them.
    No, but it is an obvious paving the way to truce and teaming up to some extent. We literally had the same thing with Sundered Flame 5 min ago, when Alex began with understanding their motives. There she was made to understand that suddenly coming back after millennia like nothing happened and taking over was crappy thing to do, and now Infinites are realising that trying to forcibly "fix" history can be counterproductive and dangerous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RahEndymion View Post
    I think you're spot on with this honestly. That would be my preferred outcome. I wouldn't mind there being a precursor or even parallel group of non-titan 'first ones' but it does sort of grate that both groups are attempting to fill the same roll for what appears to be no good reason.



    This is pretty much my assumption too. The 'first ones' created the Shadowlands and engineered them to be work in the way they do rather than the true and standard functioning of the original or wider true realm of death. I think this allows a lot more interesting future story telling than just 'This is death now' and perhaps a somewhat more interesting characterization of the first ones.

    Rather than gods I think it makes more sense to view both the first ones and titans as more similar to aliens or just sentient beings from elsewhere. I know they are described as the pantheon of order and death (although I cant remember if that is just fancannon or actually written as such) but I think the concept of multiple cosmic 'pantheons' in each domain doesn't really hold and somewhat cheapens the concept of a godly pantheon or precursor species in the first place.

    Personally, I think that the Titans/First Ones are their most interesting when viewed as an ancient immortal(for titans at least) race of beings with a specific agenda rather than some all powerful creator species.

    Interested to see how this could actually impact future lore and what direction people think the dev's will actually take things?
    My theory is that something happened to the first ones and they flung their souls into planets with a spell to be reborn in XXXXXX years. Maybe the Titans dont know they were first ones and lost their memory. Or maybe the Titans are an offshoot of first ones, or even rebellious children of the first ones.

    I think it makes it more interesting if the Titans are related to the first ones in some way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    No, but it is an obvious paving the way to truce and teaming up to some extent. We literally had the same thing with Sundered Flame 5 min ago, when Alex began with understanding their motives. There she was made to understand that suddenly coming back after millennia like nothing happened and taking over was crappy thing to do, and now Infinites are realising that trying to forcibly "fix" history can be counterproductive and dangerous.
    Eternus is one infinite though, and she was a special case because she was willing to meet with Nozdormu and Chromie. She herself said its going to take time to make others feel the way she does, and some (like Morchie) will probably never convert. In that time frame, all it takes is one infinite to make moves to screw with the timeline and negatively impact us. Heck, one of the bronze dragons could also do it if they feel that the ends justify the means. Kairoz being a prime example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Eternus is one infinite though, and she was a special case because she was willing to meet with Nozdormu and Chromie. She herself said its going to take time to make others feel the way she does, and some (like Morchie) will probably never convert. In that time frame, all it takes is one infinite to make moves to screw with the timeline and negatively impact us. Heck, one of the bronze dragons could also do it if they feel that the ends justify the means. Kairoz being a prime example.
    And all it takes is one not convinced Sundered Flame/Dark Iron to do something bad and jeopardize entire alliance. Of course there will be some Infinites who wont join forces, just like we had rebel Dark Irons (who tried to resurrect Rag) and Sundered Flames. But these alliances still stand. Blizz would not implement Eternus character with her quest lines and call Murozond threat to be over for any foreseeable future, if they didn't want to set up the unification. It is really in our face.
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    This hat thing seems like a huge nothing burger. It'll rile up the people on Twitter too much and those that use "Woke" unironically for a couple days then fade away. It's really not that serious y'all. I doubt RSG has much pull at Blizzard anymore anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    My theory is that something happened to the first ones and they flung their souls into planets with a spell to be reborn in XXXXXX years. Maybe the Titans dont know they were first ones and lost their memory. Or maybe the Titans are an offshoot of first ones, or even rebellious children of the first ones.

    I think it makes it more interesting if the Titans are related to the first ones in some way.
    I think the idea that the titans are pre-planet first ones is super interesting and expansive. As though they require the life force / spirit / 'blood' of a planet to be reborn from the planet itself much in the way anima is utilized within shadowlands. It expands upon the lore while simultaneously keeping the mysterious aspects of their origins mysterious and creating more questions in terms of their downfall and what force would be able to cause such an outcome.

    Though I am very cautious that this is starting to sound far too interesting for 2023 Blizzard.

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    Is the Eredar quest up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Is the Eredar quest up?
    In US, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    In US, yes.
    Good I was getting a little worried after seeing reports of the timer seemingly resetting to 7 days. Figured that was a bug though.

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    Who's working from home and can spoil it?

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    Let's drop the random and derailing aside about the 13-year-old hat model and complaining about Twitter posts.
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by RahEndymion View Post
    I think the idea that the titans are pre-planet first ones is super interesting and expansive. As though they require the life force / spirit / 'blood' of a planet to be reborn from the planet itself much in the way anima is utilized within shadowlands. It expands upon the lore while simultaneously keeping the mysterious aspects of their origins mysterious and creating more questions in terms of their downfall and what force would be able to cause such an outcome.
    Which doesn't make sense if you were planning an expansion about all the bad things the titans did. The Titans & Eternal Ones simply continue the First One's work. The First ones are the mysterious forces here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Terremer View Post
    All this for a wizard's hat, everything that is most classic in fantasy
    I don't know how people can take this seriously
    Like he said, the problem is that white supremacists within wow use the og white brimmed wizard hat as their trademark.
    Quote Originally Posted by Annihilas View Post
    The best course of action would be to:
    A.) Solidify the Titans as the real "First Ones" in the Game's Universe.
    B.) Turn the Shadowlands into the Titan's own abandoned pet project.
    C.) Make the creation of Dreadlords something the Titans never knew.
    D.) Emerald Dream is Elunes domain, but something happened to her.
    So just, undo all wow lore? Do you want the Draenei to corrupt Sargeras too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Who's working from home and can spoil it?
    Checking elsewhere, found a thread on the official story forums:

    -Relatively short
    -Velen brings up mention of DKs and DHs in comparison to the man'ari eredar (regarding being repentant)
    -Apparently we can go back to Argus, lore wise?
    -Krokuul are involved with the defectors too. Maybe hope for them joining too in the future?

    Also apparently Kil'jaeden could sense doubt in the minds of other eredar and would execute those who doubted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    Checking elsewhere, found a thread on the official story forums:

    -Relatively short
    -Velen brings up mention of DKs and DHs in comparison to the man'ari eredar (regarding being repentant)
    -Apparently we can go back to Argus, lore wise?
    -Krokuul are involved with the defectors too. Maybe hope for them joining too in the future?

    Also apparently Kil'jaeden could sense doubt in the minds of other eredar and would execute those who doubted.
    I had a feeling that would be the case, pretty cool to see and definitely sets them up as an AR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    I had a feeling that would be the case, pretty cool to see and definitely sets them up as an AR.
    We still have the actual Draenei Heritage questline still to come, so maybe then. Possibly just as another cosmetic option on regular Draenei rather than a full AR.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    We still have the actual Draenei Heritage questline still to come, so maybe then. Possibly just as another cosmetic option on regular Draenei rather than a full AR.
    Another cosmetic would be a bit much for them IMO, I think they may lean into the fanservice for a new bunch of ARs that at least have different models (so no tattoo races). This would work with them testing Jinyu.

    Did we ever get female Krokuul models?

    Or, like Dracs, Jinyu and Krokuul will have one model with a lot of customization. It would make sense for Jinyu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    And all it takes is one not convinced Sundered Flame/Dark Iron to do something bad and jeopardize entire alliance. Of course there will be some Infinites who wont join forces, just like we had rebel Dark Irons (who tried to resurrect Rag) and Sundered Flames. But these alliances still stand. Blizz would not implement Eternus character with her quest lines and call Murozond threat to be over for any foreseeable future, if they didn't want to set up the unification. It is really in our face.
    Eternus is more than likely added to give a more layered look to the infinite dragonflight instead of just having them be one-note villains. I wouldn't say that Eternus' existence suddenly means that the infinite dragonflight is no longer a threat. Further, their overwhelming presence in dragonflight gives an opening for them to do something that negatively effects us.

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    murozond and the infinite dragonflight were the lastest victims of steve danuser. imagine treating the most interesting plot point of the expansion like some shitty sidequest resolved in a cutscene with the power of friendship.

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