1. #17401
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    A world revamp would definitely fit with a gryphon as a special edition mount. Really harken back to the classic image of a dwarf on a gryphon.
    Yeah, and I was about to argue that its a special looking gryphon, but they wouldn't lock an entire normal gryphon behind the collectors edition.

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    Oh no, she has returned.


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  3. #17403
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Oh no, she has returned.

  4. #17404
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    You could say that about anything from classic though. Side note, they did a giant overhaul of the main cities in Everquest 15 years in and everyone hated it so much they never updated a zone ever again.
    That's the exact point i'm making. With Cataclysm, they still took pains to keep everything recongnisable. Teldrassil would require changes well beyond that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    snip
    I know and that's fine.

    It's Moonberry that terrifies me.


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  6. #17406
    Shadowlands lore in df. All is lost
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  7. #17407
    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    Shadowlands lore in df. All is lost
    It's been there since pre-patch. The whole thing in 10.2 requires SL to exist.

  8. #17408
    Im almost certain it was mentioned somewhere they can't leave their respective realms. This makes 0 sense
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  9. #17409
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    I wonder what Eonar's relationship is life between Elune and the Winter Queen. Based off what it looks like, seems she was responsible for keeping the cycle of life and death balanced and ordered, with Elune and the Winter Queen seemingly having good relationships, or at least memories with her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    Im almost certain it was mentioned somewhere they can't leave their respective realms. This makes 0 sense
    I mean, I am pretty sure it was stated they can't naturally leave the Shadowlands or so, but I don't think it was mentioned they couldn't enter the Dream. We know Cenarius apparently looked up to the Winter Queen and seemingly went to Ardenweald on occasion based off the Grimoire's stuff.

  10. #17410
    Dream is connected to Ardenweald. Maldraxxus people leave all the time through portals and keystones (Kel, Aggra)

    Less of a "they can't" and more of a "they don't because game"

    Speaking of: huge post-raid spoiler! (If it isn't obvious what happens post-raid)

    https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...76411562745939
    Last edited by Cheezits; 2023-09-09 at 06:44 PM.

  11. #17411
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    It's been there since pre-patch. The whole thing in 10.2 requires SL to exist.
    I don't mind the shadowlands lore and even I'm confused. Why can people of Ardenweald move freely between there & the Emerald Dream? Shouldn't they be dream projections like everyone else who is bound to some other plane? I get Necrolords & Kyrians can leave because that's part of their job. But Winter Queen's minions being able to do it is so bizarre because of how completely oblivious they were to what goes on in the world of the living; moreso than the other afterlives.
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  12. #17412
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    I don't mind the shadowlands lore and even I'm confused. Why can people of Ardenweald move freely between there & the Emerald Dream? Shouldn't they be dream projections like everyone else who is bound to some other plane?
    There is probably some "cheat" in place that allow the Dream/Lifelands to directly interact with Ardenweald in a way that other spaces can't.

    Whether the Titans did it, Elune did it, or the First Ones (who may honestly be the titans or their ancestors) is up in the air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    Im almost certain it was mentioned somewhere they can't leave their respective realms. This makes 0 sense
    ???

    Kyrian fly all over the place, the Necrolords canonically scout out the universe as we see in the Draka short, Denathrius was sending out Dreadlords with no problems and the Brokers can go anywhere, anytime without the slightest bit of effort.

    Let alone that the place got invaded like 3 times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Speaking of: huge post-raid spoiler! (If it isn't obvious what happens post-raid)

    https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...76411562745939
    Inside the dream this time around.

    Maybe they'll tie the whole ritual back to the Embrace.


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  14. #17414
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    ???

    Inside the dream this time around.

    Maybe they'll tie the whole ritual back to the Embrace.
    I'm very curious if this is how they get empowered, and why Tyr/the Oathstones didn't do it. I mean, you can kind of guess, but still.

    also another Elune is the real Dragon God clue

  15. #17415
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    I'm very curious if this is how they get empowered, and why Tyr/the Oathstones didn't do it. I mean, you can kind of guess, but still.

    also another Elune is the real Dragon God clue
    I really hope they tie it to Elune and the Embrace somehow

  16. #17416
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    I'm very curious if this is how they get empowered, and why Tyr/the Oathstones didn't do it. I mean, you can kind of guess, but still.

    also another Elune is the real Dragon God clue
    How does any of this mean Elune is the "Dragon goddess"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post
    I really hope they tie it to Elune and the Embrace somehow
    They definitely will. This whole patch has a lot to do with Elune, Eonar, and the Winter Queen.

  17. #17417
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Speaking of: huge post-raid spoiler! (If it isn't obvious what happens post-raid)

    https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...76411562745939
    I appreciate them using Mordenaku so the casual observer might have some suspense over who becomes the 6th dragonflight aspect. It reminds me when the original power rangers series did this big build up over who would be the White Ranger. The white ranger would eventually be revealed as the former green ranger, Tommy, but they added this new kid named Noah and kept dressing him monochromatically to keep the audience guessing. Even though the audience for that kids show would have had no concept of dramatic irony. That's like hinting Mordenaku might be the next aspect just for it to actually be Vyranoth.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    I'm very curious if this is how they get empowered, and why Tyr/the Oathstones didn't do it. I mean, you can kind of guess, but still.
    It's just like the damn George-Lucas-ism of it all: The same logic that the Nelves sacrificed their immortality blessing, originally given to them by the Aspects, to stop Archemonde. Then they gave up their chance at returning to life to get a new tree. So then the World Tree, since they are all connected, gives the blessing back to the Aspects in the form of restoring their full powers.

    Goddamn blizzard did this to me - all this bullshit had an ending that makes total sense I'm so angry.
    Last edited by Ersula; 2023-09-09 at 07:06 PM.

  18. #17418
    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    Im almost certain it was mentioned somewhere they can't leave their respective realms. This makes 0 sense
    literally only player's headcanon. They can't leave the maw if they entered it that's all, but the Mawwalker shenanigans allowed them to travel to and leave the maw.

  19. #17419
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    How does any of this mean Elune is the "Dragon goddess"?
    Kalecgos, despite no titans/watchers being around, was empowered to be Aspect of the Blue Dragonflight by a moon ritual.

    Couple that with the elemental and possibly Life origins of the dragons (as the Protos came from the elements, and they may have their start in Life) and there are some hints that it's Elunes powers that empower the Aspects, not the Titans. Though they may have used Elune's power for the first Aspects (which would explain the heavy connection between Eonar and Elune, they may be friends or something)

    If Amirdrassil and Elune/Winter Queen are the ones who bless/empower the Aspects, that would just continue this theme

  20. #17420
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Kalecgos, despite no titans/watchers being around, was empowered to be Aspect of the Blue Dragonflight by a moon ritual.
    All that means is that Elune likes the dragons. Not that she is one. Which we already knew because she also blessed Ysera's Aspect.

    It never says so outright, but I think we should assume (besides that Hearthstone directly states the Primus is a Titan) after its confirmed Elune is the Winter Queen's sister, that the Eternals & Titans & Whatever Elune is are interchangeable: They're all direct minions of the First Ones carrying out their design. The Pantheon of Order's designation by the First Ones' was to "order" the universe, (divide them into 6 cosmic domains.)
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