1. #18001
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Blizz has focused more on appearances rather than narrative because it's easy. A well-written story means depth, and it's been a long time since that's happened.
    I'd rather they keep it shallow but sparkly and hope they increase the fanservice. Rather they don't try depth again after BfA.

  2. #18002
    Quote Originally Posted by Revamp Man View Post
    Galakrond is the Harbinger
    Iridikron absorbed his essence to place in a body capable of handling it

    The final group Xal has is
    Xal
    Galakrond
    Iridikron
    Azshara
    Denathrius
    Lothraxion
    So which of them is the healer? I'm assuming Iridikron is tanking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Well Done Steak View Post
    Pick up on social ques maybe???

    Wasn't being serious lmao
    It's bad either way. Don't use it. It doesn't make for a good joke anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I'd rather they keep it shallow but sparkly and hope they increase the fanservice. Rather they don't try depth again after BfA.
    The real depth was in MoP. Flew over most peoples heads to the point it looked like it was in a stable orbit.

  3. #18003
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I'd rather they keep it shallow but sparkly and hope they increase the fanservice. Rather they don't try depth again after BfA.
    Better to hope for another WotLK or MoP if you want fanservice. Or has the current fanbase really become so...disillusioned that mediocrity is all they can hope for anymore?

  4. #18004
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    It's bad either way. Don't use it. It doesn't make for a good joke anyway.
    Youre getting real mad over a throw-away joke here dude. Chill out.
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    He has no eyes to see, but he dreams of infinite memeing and trolling.

  5. #18005
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Better to hope for another WotLK or MoP if you want fanservice. Or has the current fanbase really become so...disillusioned that mediocrity is all they can hope for anymore?
    I don't know about the fanbase but I have gotten disillusioned. I don't really feel any hype for the DF story. But I used to be a big fan so I enjoy it when the team actually remember older characters and plots. I don't expect development or anything but just seeing things acknowledged is nice. Anything that isn't the same five people or completely new people who will never show up after the current plot is fine with me.

  6. #18006
    Quote Originally Posted by Well Done Steak View Post
    That's what they want you to think

    agreed, imagine thinking it was flagged for WOD content lmao

  7. #18007
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    The Evoker legendary quest recreates the same spell, as Nozdormu describes. Where we go back to dragon soul & absorb Neltharian's essence at the time of his death. Except the player is not becoming Neltharian.

    Yes, Iridikron was absorbing Galakrond's power but resurrecting galakrond is not his plan, as he himself described. The Void will send a Harbinger once the Void Artifact is filled with a "hunger" the Hunger being Galakrond's essence. While Galakrond was a contemporary of the Old Gods, he himself is nothing to do with the Void Lords or the Deep Dark Beyond, where "The Harbinger" is from.
    We don't know about galakrond or if he's connected to the void lords
    Maybe he was a failed attempt at making a vessel
    I'd say we could go by chronicles but we've already been told it's not reliable

    Speculation is fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    So which of them is the healer? I'm assuming Iridikron is tanking.



    It's bad either way. Don't use it. It doesn't make for a good joke anyway.

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    The real depth was in MoP. Flew over most peoples heads to the point it looked like it was in a stable orbit.
    Obviously lothraxion

  8. #18008
    Thinking back on it, having ONLY Alexstrasza meet Tyr in 10.2.5 and having her speak up against further infusion of eggs to keep her "not failing" word to Vyranoth would do right for the overall plot.

    My theory is that she's well aware of his involvement (or at least approval) and the processes within Halls.

    She remained tolerant of it until the escape of Raszageth and everything that followed suite causing more harm for the dragons that good.

    And no, there's no need to go hostile with this confrontation. It is about standing against a dragon-harmful thing that Order approves of. To fill her "betrayal prophecy" gap. Personally, not expecting Tyr going aggro about it, either.
    Last edited by Zers Editor; 2023-09-18 at 06:11 PM.

  9. #18009
    One reason I think Tyr's Guard won't stick around: their tabard is a crappy recolor of the old Silver Hand one, and they didn't bother to update it in a way that would make it look good in modern content.


  10. #18010
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Why can't they just give us the Tabard of the Silver Hand bruh?
    The light blue one with the silver fist? That one has been in the game since Wrath of the Lich King.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

  11. #18011
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Why can't they just give us the Tabard of the Silver Hand bruh?
    You can get it, it just requires you to make Shadowmourne or buy it.

    https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=5...e-lightbringer

  12. #18012
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    So which of them is the healer?
    I laughed way more than I should have at this

  13. #18013
    After Metzen left the Dev team, the game lost something hard to explain, even BFA, which had lots of established lore, the story felt underwhelming.

    I think the game lost the action and the driving force events. Back in the day, we had actions and consequences all the time, but nowadays, especially in cinematics, the story has become some sort of romance novel, with people talking all the time about feelings. Meanwhile, in the past, cinematics were used to cover the most important events.

    Let's take 10.1.7 cinematic, for instance:

    The main plot point isn't the invasion of the Dream but rather Fryrakk and Vyranoth's disagreement and inevitable break-up.

    Covering events and their outcomes became less important than the characters' relationships in most cinematics, but the player character isn't part of such relationships, not to mention that the Warcraft story was never portrayed in such a way.

    Belular made a good video about this as well for those interested:

    Spoiler: 

    But now Metzen is back, so I hope he'll have enough power to change the story's direction and how it'll be portrayed.

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  14. #18014
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    One reason I think Tyr's Guard won't stick around: their tabard is a crappy recolor of the old Silver Hand one, and they didn't bother to update it in a way that would make it look good in modern content.

    I see it as the exact opposite. That they are gonna stick around and we'll gain Tyr's favor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luck4 View Post
    After Metzen left the Dev team, the game lost something hard to explain, even BFA, which had lots of established lore, the story felt underwhelming.

    I think the game lost the action and the driving force events. Back in the day, we had actions and consequences all the time, but nowadays, especially in cinematics, the story has become some sort of romance novel, with people talking all the time about feelings. Meanwhile, in the past, cinematics were used to cover the most important events.
    Didn’t he leave the wow team around the end of cata to focus on overwatch until he left blizzard?

    It seems unlikely he’d have kept taking a big role in wows story while he was focusing on over watch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luck4 View Post
    After Metzen left the Dev team, the game lost something hard to explain, even BFA, which had lots of established lore, the story felt underwhelming.

    I think the game lost the action and the driving force events. Back in the day, we had actions and consequences all the time, but nowadays, especially in cinematics, the story has become some sort of romance novel, with people talking all the time about feelings. Meanwhile, in the past, cinematics were used to cover the most important events.

    Let's take 10.1.7 cinematic, for instance:

    The main plot point isn't the invasion of the Dream but rather Fryrakk and Vyranoth's disagreement and inevitable break-up.

    Covering events and their outcomes became less important than the characters' relationships in most cinematics, but the player character isn't part of such relationships, not to mention that the Warcraft story was never portrayed in such a way.

    Belular made a good video about this as well for those interested:

    Spoiler: 

    But now Metzen is back, so I hope he'll have enough power to change the story's direction and how it'll be portrayed.

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    I usually like Bel's content but that video, oh boy, is just full of toxic masculinity. Dragonflight is the best Expansion since Legion, and easily on par with MoP, but all he does is crying about it being not "brutal enough" and how guys would have prefered the ugly Draconids instead of the Dracthyr? WoW doesn't need to change "direction", it's already on the right track, all they need is a nostalgia bait expansion to bring back a mass of players similiar to WoD/Shadowlands (which had a huge number of new/returning players but didn't manage to retain them unlike Dragonflight).

  17. #18017
    Quote Originally Posted by Luck4 View Post

    The main plot point isn't the invasion of the Dream but rather Fryrakk and Vyranoth's disagreement and inevitable break-up.

    Covering events and their outcomes became less important than the characters' relationships in most cinematics, but the player character isn't part of such relationships, not to mention that the Warcraft story was never portrayed in such a way.

    Probably due to a belief that the average consumer cares more about emotional character drama than politics, grandiose events, etc. Don't have data to back that up but would definitely explain most of the cinematics in Legion/BFA/SL/DF being characters talking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woggmer View Post
    I see it as the exact opposite. That they are gonna stick around and we'll gain Tyr's favor.
    Yeah, they will use them to justify all Paladins for all races. They basically did the same with Warlocks, and tbh this is prolly the same way we will get DH's for all races down the line.

  19. #18019
    Quote Originally Posted by Luck4 View Post
    After Metzen left the Dev team, the game lost something hard to explain, even BFA, which had lots of established lore, the story felt underwhelming.

    I think the game lost the action and the driving force events. Back in the day, we had actions and consequences all the time, but nowadays, especially in cinematics, the story has become some sort of romance novel, with people talking all the time about feelings. Meanwhile, in the past, cinematics were used to cover the most important events.

    Let's take 10.1.7 cinematic, for instance:

    The main plot point isn't the invasion of the Dream but rather Fryrakk and Vyranoth's disagreement and inevitable break-up.

    Covering events and their outcomes became less important than the characters' relationships in most cinematics, but the player character isn't part of such relationships, not to mention that the Warcraft story was never portrayed in such a way.

    Belular made a good video about this as well for those interested:

    Spoiler: 

    But now Metzen is back, so I hope he'll have enough power to change the story's direction and how it'll be portrayed.

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    Every person in Blizzard is always the worst thing to ever happen to an artistic medium. That is, until they leave, at which point they become the only reasonable voice holding back the tide of shit.
    Metzen is no exception. Stories were sometimes good, sometimes shit back when he was in charge, same as they are now.
    Sometimes you got Stonetalon Mountains. Sometimes you got Thrall's wedding.
    Sometimes in current expansions you get the Orc Heritage questline or Drustvar. Sometimes you get Siege of Dazar'alor.
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  20. #18020
    Quote Originally Posted by Luck4 View Post
    After Metzen left the Dev team, the game lost something hard to explain, even BFA, which had lots of established lore, the story felt underwhelming.
    Something important to note is that it wasn't just Metzen that left in 2016. Micky Neilson, who had been involved with the story since WC1, left a few months prior to Metzen. Dave Kosak, who was effectively Danuser's predecessor as Lead Narrative Designer since Cataclysm, left to join the Hearthstone team in November. The swerve in tone and direction from BfA onwards makes more sense in that context, it was quite a changing of the guard.

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