1. #18121
    Quote Originally Posted by milkmustache View Post
    But doesn't it just feel out of nowhere? I really agree that there has been so much void buildup, especially considering that is most likely where Iridikron's bargains lie, but for a full scale Light and Void conflict to emerge on Azeroth post Dragonflight, post Amirdrassil just feels improper. It doesn't feel deserved yet.

    All in my opinion, of course.
    Sure there has been so much Void Buildup. Because it got Void Relief back in BfA when we killed N'zoth. Let things breathe a bit. And not breath Shadowflame, another Void plot that was central to the previous patch and will be important this patch as well. People are acting as if we are getting these hints about the Void that have led to nothing even though we have had multiple content patches were the Void was either front and center or an important plot element.

  2. #18122
    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    The Light isn't an antagonistic force to Azeroth. Disorder, Death, and Shadow are (or at least have been in the story). That's why those three are the ones that have gotten the spotlight in Legion, Shadowlands, and 11.0.

    Order, Life, and Light just sort of appear when it suits the story. Not because they have to face their cosmic counterpart.

    Usually they team up a bit. For example the Titans and the Army of the Light in Legion, or the Titan Keepers and the Guardians of the Emerald Dream in Dragonflight. In Shadowlands, Life was kind of represented in Ardenweald with the quests surrounding the World Tree and Elune, and the theme of rebirth. But not that much as a fighting force against Death.

    You are unlikely to see a pure "Light vs. Shadow All-out cosmic war" expansion anytime soon.

    As I mentioned in my post last page, when we face the Void in 11.0, we will likely do so with the Titans and the Dragons at our side, as well as maybe the Elements.
    Not to azeroth, but the light has its own interests that may not necessarily line up with ours as you saw with Illidan and the maghar.

    The light is very narrow minded. We arent.

    The light may attempt to throw off the cosmic scales just like death did. That's not good for us.

    If they find a weakness in the void, the light will innately try to stomp the void out.

  3. #18123
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    Quote Originally Posted by Well Done Steak View Post
    Since discussion is slowing down, let me remind everyone once again of the biggest on the nose hint, yet least talked about....

    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Melinor

    Scroll a bit down to read the conversation.

    11.0 is light vs void.
    I interpreted that conversation to mirror the general expectation of Light vs Void among players, and the general assumption that one is always a force of good and the other is always a force of evil. Even to the point where we think that the void being an expansion antagonist is a given, and not believing that the light can be a corruptible force.

    It’s almost like Blizzard is saying “You think you know where this road leads, but you really have no idea.”

  4. #18124
    Does anyone think we'll be able to become Dragonsworn by the end of the expansion? I think it's kind of wild that the Timewalkers are featured so prominently in 10.1.5 but they aren't at all joinable.

  5. #18125
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    I interpreted that conversation to mirror the general expectation of Light vs Void among players, and the general assumption that one is always a force of good and the other is always a force of evil. Even to the point where we think that the void being an expansion antagonist is a given, and not believing that the light can be a corruptible force.

    It’s almost like Blizzard is saying “You think you know where this road leads, but you really have no idea.”
    That biggles my mind why some players detest the idea of the light being antagonistic. Not like it's foreign in wow anyway, we've had the scarlets since vanilla.

    There's soooo much potential.

  6. #18126
    Quote Originally Posted by Well Done Steak View Post
    That biggles my mind why some players detest the idea of the light being antagonistic. Not like it's foreign in wow anyway, we've had the scarlets since vanilla.

    There's soooo much potential.
    I think people don't have as much an issue with Light being a villain as with "The Light is all Nazis and Turalyon is a fascist zealot". There is a middle ground like "X'era is an absolutist" and "What Yrel has done in Draenor is definitely problematic but there is probably a lot more to the story than one side has given us"

  7. #18127
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Does anyone think we'll be able to become Dragonsworn by the end of the expansion? I think it's kind of wild that the Timewalkers are featured so prominently in 10.1.5 but they aren't at all joinable.
    As in swear allegiance to a flight?

  8. #18128
    Quote Originally Posted by Well Done Steak View Post
    Not to azeroth, but the light has its own interests that may not necessarily line up with ours as you saw with Illidan and the maghar.

    The light is very narrow minded. We arent.

    The light may attempt to throw off the cosmic scales just like death did. That's not good for us.

    If they find a weakness in the void, the light will innately try to stomp the void out.
    And should we be in the way of that by accident, they'll probably assure us that they'll be feeling very sorry about it afterwards. Followed by a lot of screaming and a bunch of angry Azerothians invading the Lightlands.

  9. #18129
    I think a void expansion would be cool. Its theme could be also around Sargeras' Sword in Silithus. Sargeras was defeated by the void, i thought. So the Void could be the answer to get the sword away from Silithus. Of course all things goed terribly wrong and the void uses the sword in their advantage. Maybe the Qiraji and/or other Aqir races could be involved too. That sword not only impaled Silithus, but also went through the Qiraji tunnels below the surface. So they must be pissed off as well. And with Iridikron going into the void that could bring us a very interesting expansion i guess.

  10. #18130
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    And should we be in the way of that by accident, they'll probably assure us that they'll be feeling very sorry about it afterwards. Followed by a lot of screaming and a bunch of angry Azerothians invading the Lightlands.
    Yeah every major threat attacks one zone, maybe will kill one npc or two and then we genocide their entire realm of existence because we absolutely do proportional reactions on Azeroth

  11. #18131
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I think people don't have as much an issue with Light being a villain as with "The Light is all Nazis and Turalyon is a fascist zealot". There is a middle ground like "X'era is an absolutist" and "What Yrel has done in Draenor is definitely problematic but there is probably a lot more to the story than one side has given us"
    If anyone is a fascist it's Yrel, Yrel is basically what Turalyon would have been if Illidan didn't open his eyes.

  12. #18132
    I feel like the game is gearing towards an "Anti Titan" Expansion IF there is no 10.3

    Vyranoth becoming an Aspect. Us antagonizing Odyn. Alexstrasza being upset with the "Titan mindcontrolling egg" thing. The vision of Alexstrasza opposing Titans. Avaloren containing heretics that "commited crimes against Titan Keepers" already set up our allies.

    Hell, we already got two zones. Avaloren as the starting zone, Khaz Algar and then Uldaz. All name-dropped this expansion.
    Last edited by Makorus; 2023-09-19 at 03:32 PM.

  13. #18133
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I think people don't have as much an issue with Light being a villain as with "The Light is all Nazis and Turalyon is a fascist zealot". There is a middle ground like "X'era is an absolutist" and "What Yrel has done in Draenor is definitely problematic but there is probably a lot more to the story than one side has given us"
    It seems to be a general inability to grasp the concept that each cosmic force can have more than one faction within it, even though we've been directly shown that this is the case for Death, and have seen at least some suggestion that even the Light isn't completely monolithic. Xe'ra definitely seems to be a more fanatic member.
    Even the Titans don't always agree on everything.

  14. #18134
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    It seems to be a general inability to grasp the concept that each cosmic force can have more than one faction within it, even though we've been directly shown that this is the case for Death, and have seen at least some suggestion that even the Light isn't completely monolithic. Xe'ra definitely seems to be a more fanatic member.
    Even the Titans don't always agree on everything.
    I think both here and in Lore we have quite too many people whose ability to interpret narratives seems bounds to strict patterns. If your plot could be placed neatly in Excel cells, there is an issue with it.

  15. #18135
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Yeah every major threat attacks one zone, maybe will kill one npc or two and then we genocide their entire realm of existence because we absolutely do proportional reactions on Azeroth
    I dunno about you, but my plan was to simply walk up to their leader and file a complaint. That should keep them busy until they notice i locked the door and stole the key on my way out.

  16. #18136
    Just something I thought about yesterday while playing, one fake leak for Dragonflight that I really would love Blizzard to implement was the idea of customizing spell animations.

    There was this fake leak that said you'd be able to change your spells to any number of colors and effects. One I recall was the water used in resto Shaman spells could be turned into ale, for example. (edit: Found it)

    I was thinking about it because my main is Arcane, and while I do love the blue/purple of arcane, I'm one of those that tries to coordinate my transmog and mount and...well, I'm really golden right now. Which does not fit Arcane's colors.

    So would be kinda cool if we could change things a bit.

  17. #18137
    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    I feel like the game is gearing towards an "Anti Titan" Expansion IF there is no 10.3

    Vyranoth becoming an Aspect. Us antagonizing Odyn. Alexstrasza being upset with the "Titan mindcontrolling egg" thing. The vision of Alexstrasza opposing Titans. Avaloren containing heretics that "commited crimes against Titan Keepers" already set up our allies.

    Hell, we already got two zones. Avaloren as the starting zone, Khaz Algar and then Uldaz. All name-dropped this expansion.
    Nope, and that's because Iri confirmed that the void will strike first which will then prompt the titans to return.

    Unless yeah 10.3 is titans. I'm talking about 11.0
    Last edited by Well Done Steak; 2023-09-19 at 03:46 PM.

  18. #18138
    Quote Originally Posted by Well Done Steak View Post
    Nope, and that's because Iri confirmed that the void will strike first which will then prompt the titans to return.
    We could easily have both. Iridikron/Harbinger forces as first/second tier bosses and then Titan forces as the last tier. Fighting for the same "prize" which is Azeroth.

  19. #18139
    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    We could easily have both. Iridikron/Harbinger forces as first/second tier bosses and then Titan forces as the last tier. Fighting for the same "prize" which is Azeroth.
    Maybe this can be the fight where the actual prize we win in the end is having the cosmic forces leave us alone and we go back to non-esoteric stories that must outdo each other every time lol

  20. #18140
    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    We could easily have both. Iridikron/Harbinger forces as first/second tier bosses and then Titan forces as the last tier. Fighting for the same "prize" which is Azeroth.
    I mean sure, but where's the light in that? If it was included it'd be cosmic overload.

    I personally think 12.0 will the world revamp so many people want with the return of the titans.

    Azeroth herself will pull Gorribal out of the planet and use it as her weapon

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