1. #18701
    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    The new prop could be for the Vashjir part of world revamp
    I mean, there is also these giant sea-creature demi-gods we found in Vashj'ir that the Naga were trying to corrupt and take control.. and we never did learn about them other than they exist.

    So if it is an undersea related expansion.. We'll probably get more information about those things.

  2. #18702
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Oh darn. Guess no First Ones

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    True. Granted, doesn't negate the idea of there being a Pantheon of Disorder.
    A pantheon implies an established hierarchy if power and command, which is a form of order.

    This is why I think disorder is the only force without a pantheon. It's probably just the strongest demon lords rising up fighting for supremacy and commanding lesser demons.


    Sargeras broke that pattern by forming the burning legion but still allowing demons to satisfy their chaotic nature by allowing them to ravage worlds.

  3. #18703
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Most of the islands are more northern seas and largely irrelevant to the plot. Nazjatar is near the Maelstrom, not in the South Sea. Maybe actually learn the lore instead of just making shit up. MoP and WoD at least had Pandaren/Orc focus in the first part. BfA didn't focus on your supposed theme even then.
    I reiterate my earlier point; until they announce a south seas expansion - you will remain wrong, no matter how much you seethe about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    Nazjatar is literally in the dead centre of the map. Are you aware what the maelstrom and the well of eternity are? The only thing in your entire argument that you’ve managed to get right is that Zandalar is in the South Seas, so well done for that.

    In fact, you mention island expeditions. Just 3 of the 11 islands are in the south seas, the rest are in the north.
    I refer to my above point

  4. #18704
    So here's a crackpot theory.

    Yogg-Saron is the Old God whose domain stretched across the part of Ancient Kalimdor that is today Northend the Dragon Isles.

    That's where Galakrond arose, as well as the Dragon Aspects. It's also where Yogg-Saron corrupted Loken, resulting in the death of Tyr, and afflicted the titan-forged with the Curse of Flesh.

    The 5th Old God in Chronicles, is depicted as having skulls and stuff. But also leaves and vines. A sort of Death and Life kind of theme.

    But Yogg-Saron is depicted with ice or saronite or something, which isn't really related to either Death or Life.

    Yogg-Saron calls himself the God of Death. But notably, he's also responsible for giving the earthen life, through the Curse of Flesh. Northrend also, famously, has attracted the undead over the years. One might say it is the land of the dead.

    Did Yogg-Saron usurp the 5th Old God once upon a time, thereby stealing its essence for himself?

    Could he then create Galakrond, a sort of necrotic beast?

    Did Iridikron lay claim to Galakrond's essence because it is really that of Yogg-Saron, or indirectly the 5th Old God?

    "A hunger lost to the ages will be reclaimed."
    "A dark heart left broken awaits the taking."

    Both of these sound like part prophecy, part recipe for how to bake yourself a resurrected Old God.

    Question still remains what the "dark heart" is. It might just be the husk of the dead 5th Old God that needs to be reclaimed.

    We do know the Harbinger is gathering the Children of the First Flesh to reclaim what was lost.
    We do know the Children of the First Flesh toil in the deep places.

    Are they digging up the body of the 5th Old God, and is "what was lost" a reference to them as subjects, or to what they're digging for?

    The earthen at Khaz Algar succumbed to a sort of primordial version of the Curse of Flesh, a great distance from Northrend. So did the 5th Old God, whose power was over life and death, reside somewhere far away from today's northrend where her power oozed up from the ground to affect those around her, only for Yogg-Saron to come around, kill and consume her?

    One sort of logical location might be around what is today northern Kalimdor. There is a Tauren legend about the Earth Mother, who's essentially some primordial diety of life and death, day and night, etc. Could the stories simply be telling a romanticised version of the 5th Old God, who, like in the case with the earthen at Khaz Algar, might have one day given the tauren life?

  5. #18705
    Have we discussed that Ragnaros's Heart got an item icon datamined this build?

    Maybe... someone plugged his heart into Smolderon, and its a body snatcher thing?

  6. #18706
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Why would Jinyu have their helmets hidden?

    The fin on their heads would just be hidden and covered when enabling a helmet, just like with hair on every other race.
    Or go through it like elves' ears and brows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    So here's a crackpot theory.

    Yogg-Saron is the Old God whose domain stretched across the part of Ancient Kalimdor that is today Northend the Dragon Isles.

    That's where Galakrond arose, as well as the Dragon Aspects. It's also where Yogg-Saron corrupted Loken, resulting in the death of Tyr, and afflicted the titan-forged with the Curse of Flesh.

    The 5th Old God in Chronicles, is depicted as having skulls and stuff. But also leaves and vines. A sort of Death and Life kind of theme.

    But Yogg-Saron is depicted with ice or saronite or something, which isn't really related to either Death or Life.

    Yogg-Saron calls himself the God of Death. But notably, he's also responsible for giving the earthen life, through the Curse of Flesh. Northrend also, famously, has attracted the undead over the years. One might say it is the land of the dead.

    Did Yogg-Saron usurp the 5th Old God once upon a time, thereby stealing its essence for himself?

    Could he then create Galakrond, a sort of necrotic beast?

    Did Iridikron lay claim to Galakrond's essence because it is really that of Yogg-Saron, or indirectly the 5th Old God?

    "A hunger lost to the ages will be reclaimed."
    "A dark heart left broken awaits the taking."

    Both of these sound like part prophecy, part recipe for how to bake yourself a resurrected Old God.

    Question still remains what the "dark heart" is. It might just be the husk of the dead 5th Old God that needs to be reclaimed.

    We do know the Harbinger is gathering the Children of the First Flesh to reclaim what was lost.
    We do know the Children of the First Flesh toil in the deep places.

    Are they digging up the body of the 5th Old God, and is "what was lost" a reference to them as subjects, or to what they're digging for?

    The earthen at Khaz Algar succumbed to a sort of primordial version of the Curse of Flesh, a great distance from Northrend. So did the 5th Old God, whose power was over life and death, reside somewhere far away from today's northrend where her power oozed up from the ground to affect those around her, only for Yogg-Saron to come around, kill and consume her?

    One sort of logical location might be around what is today northern Kalimdor. There is a Tauren legend about the Earth Mother, who's essentially some primordial diety of life and death, day and night, etc. Could the stories simply be telling a romanticised version of the 5th Old God, who, like in the case with the earthen at Khaz Algar, might have one day given the tauren life?
    You got more theories than a scientist.

  8. #18708
    Quote Originally Posted by Baraden View Post
    I reiterate my earlier point; until they announce a south seas expansion - you will remain wrong, no matter how much you seethe about it
    Wrong about what? That all of your points are bogus? I don't think you're quite in the loop on what is even being argued.

  9. #18709
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Have we discussed that Ragnaros's Heart got an item icon datamined this build?

    Maybe... someone plugged his heart into Smolderon, and its a body snatcher thing?
    Wasn't it just used for a trinket somewhere?
    The world revamp dream will never die!

  10. #18710
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    A Pantheon is just a group of Gods. They don't have to be hierarchical or orderly or anything like that. The Void Lords aren't hierarchical for example.

    40k actually shows this perfectly with the Chaos Gods, funny enough.
    It basically just means "all gods".

    For that matter, the Death pantheon had no clear hierarchy either. So far, only the Order Pantheon did which is more of a "well, duh" thing.

  11. #18711
    Quote Originally Posted by Catastrophy349 View Post
    You got more theories than a scientist.
    I have a strange mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    I have a strange mind.
    I actually love reading them! The HYPE is real!

  13. #18713
    Quote Originally Posted by Baraden View Post
    I reiterate my earlier point; until they announce a south seas expansion - you will remain wrong, no matter how much you seethe about it

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    I refer to my above point
    So instead of contending any of our points with an argument that’s actually correct, you’re doubling down on being obnoxiously incorrect. Thanks for your time.

  14. #18714
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Wrong about what? That all of your points are bogus? I don't think you're quite in the loop on what is even being argued.
    I'm not going to go in circles with you, I've pointed out numerous reasons why any potential south seas expansion features were co-opted into BFA, you either selectively regard certain point as irrelevant

    If you want to be deliberately dishonest and argue that BFA didn't have heavy nautical and ocean based themes then that's on you - until they release an expansion explicitly called "South Seas", you'll only be ignoring objective evidence to hold your view

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    I can genuinely say that I haven't looked into any of the story for 10.2, so no clue what direction things are moving (which is nice). However, I am hopeful for Blizzcon. Looking forward to this channel blowing up positively (I pray it's not negatively).

  16. #18716
    Quote Originally Posted by Baraden View Post
    I'm not going to go in circles with you, I've pointed out numerous reasons why any potential south seas expansion features were co-opted into BFA, you either selectively regard certain point as irrelevant

    If you want to be deliberately dishonest and argue that BFA didn't have heavy nautical and ocean based themes then that's on you - until they release an expansion explicitly called "South Seas", you'll only be ignoring objective evidence to hold your view
    Because every argument you contended was ripped apart. The only thing you had gotten right was Zandalar being in the South Seas.

    The only person in this situation who is being deliberately dishonest is your good self.

  17. #18717
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Have we discussed that Ragnaros's Heart got an item icon datamined this build?

    Maybe... someone plugged his heart into Smolderon, and its a body snatcher thing?
    It also mentions Shadowflame, so I was figuring maybe something to do with the axe legendary.

  18. #18718
    Quote Originally Posted by Catastrophy349 View Post
    I can genuinely say that I haven't looked into any of the story for 10.2, so no clue what direction things are moving (which is nice). However, I am hopeful for Blizzcon. Looking forward to this channel blowing up positively (I pray it's not negatively).
    It’s only going to be overwhelmingly positive if it’s a revamp. Dragonflight was met with an extremely tepid reaction here and continued to do so until launch when people raved about it, only to cool on it with 10.1.

    For me, anything other than a revamp will get a meh reaction. Unless it’s a new landmass but on the same scale as what we got with the Legion announcement in terms of content, lore etc.
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  19. #18719
    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    So instead of contending any of our points with an argument that’s actually correct, you’re doubling down on being obnoxiously incorrect. Thanks for your time.
    When you explain why island expeditions being a core feature of the expansion, why no expansion took us into the oceans of azeroth more (nazjatar, island expeditions, random quests like finding Derek's body etc), why the heavy nautical theme and pirate/ ship theme (most of the Alliance story, three dungeons, a raid) somehow doesn't matter

    Your whole argument is simply "it wasn't called the south seas so it wasn't the south seas expansion" - it is entirely possbile any potential south seas expansion became BFA, until blizzard release an even more nautical themed expansion - that's all there is to say

    Considering the fact the big notable southern land masses of Azeroth (Pandaria, Zuldazar and Kezan) are already in game - you want them to make an entire expansion out of Tel Abim? An island the size of durotar? Moreover, one of the only other key locations in the southern seas - Plunder Isle - was data mined for which expansion? Would you like to guess? It was BFA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baraden View Post
    I'm not going to go in circles with you, I've pointed out numerous reasons why any potential south seas expansion features were co-opted into BFA, you either selectively regard certain point as irrelevant

    If you want to be deliberately dishonest and argue that BFA didn't have heavy nautical and ocean based themes then that's on you - until they release an expansion explicitly called "South Seas", you'll only be ignoring objective evidence to hold your view
    It boggles the mind that posters here don’t seem to understand that BFA was the south seas/Azshara/N’Zoth expansion. They’re not going to do it again.

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