1. #19101
    Quote Originally Posted by Terremer View Post
    Are you really arguing about how a hypothetical Void expansion could be approached?
    jesus christ

    to finish :
    you are both partly right

    The Void is shown for now only with little diversity BUT if an expansion based on the Void were to be made, it would be diversified since that is Blizzard's modus operandi

    go and calm down the children, there's no need to make 10 pages of arguments
    Yeah apologies for the last few pages. Just gets very frustrating when someone repeatedly disregards actual evidence though and refuses to hear anyone else’s argument, selectively quoting people and just being overall hypocritical.

    But yeah, there’s plenty of avenues to go down for variety with a void themed expansion.

    For all the faults Blizzard have at times, I trust them greatly to create a diverse landmass based on a specific theme. Shadowlands was panned but they successfully pulled off a death themed expansion with plenty of diversity in the land we visited that wasn’t just grey, black and maw themed.

  2. #19102
    Quote Originally Posted by ChronoSul View Post
    U literally just proved my point. Outland is Draenor and without them u dont have the orcs & Again Demons are Aliens in Warcraft. There is no getting away from that element. People were shocked at the space/dimension ships in legion and yet they have been a thing since TBC. Warcraft cant exist without those elements if it did literally none of the playable races would exist or the majority of the plot.
    Warcraft existed for years without those elements. Even if you wanted to obnoxiously call orcs a sci-fi element/"aliens" because they came from another planet(through a magic portal), you can't say the same about demons, because demons come from the Twisting Nether, not the Great Dark beyond. Also, it's not like TBC didn't receive criticism for that too. It's one of the reasons people used to mark TBC as the start of the decline of WC's lore. Legion then turned it up to 11, which upset some people who were fine with the balance TBC struck. That balance being the thing that maintains the sense of a setting's tone and style.

    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    For some reason many western people can't seem to handle SciFi and Fantasy being mixed, despite both just being minor variations of the same larger genre that can't even cleanly be seperated.
    Do Iranians or Indonesians mix them better or something?

  3. #19103
    Quote Originally Posted by Daniri View Post
    Do Iranians or Indonesians mix them better or something?
    Not sure if sarcasm but if you look at a lot of East Asian inspired fantasy books, Sci Fi elements are usually pretty prominent throughout.

    There’s also a genre that mixes the two when it’s East Asian inspired known as Silkpunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    -Money focused
    -Engineering focused

    Woah, what a variety.




    And of course the polluted potential wasteland that was Kezan, and the current Bildgewater Harbor.

    Greed and Engineering.... Looks like quite the variety to me.

    You'd think basic observation that every notable goblin character in the game, from Revilgaz to Gazlowe, Gallywix and Blackfuse to Grizzek is either a profit-seeking tyvoon or an engineer, or both a businessperson and an engineer, would give you the impression that there's not much variety or possibility going on there... but I can see how, being Teriz, you think that somehow those goblin characters show more variation in personality traits and style than, for example: Azshara, Xal'atath, Locus Walker, Alleria, N'zoth, and Ner'zhul.

    I especially liked the part where you ignored that Ethereals, the race most involved in the Void, do everything goblins do but better and with more greater variation, being both better engineers with greater variety and familiarity in technology, and traders so cosmopolitan they deal across countless worlds and multiple dimensions, rendering Undermine's "global trading empire" hilariously backwater and insignificant.

    I only wish that the AI pictures had included some random gnome building, so that you'd be here stalwartly insisting that this looked like the best expansion ever.
    Well you're comparing individuals to landmasses and zones. My argument is entirely based around what makes a more varied expansion; A land mass on Azeroth that is goblin-controlled, or a world conquered by Void to the point that its inhabitants got their bodies blown away and are scattered throughout the universe. Given Blizzard's track record, I'm going with the former. It'd be like Pandaria vs Shadowlands, and personally, I'd rather quest in Pandaria.
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  5. #19105
    I'm going to continue and remain boring and not invest hope in any leak that doesn't have at least one foot in reality (and I don't mean Teriz reality, actual reality), this leak season is arguably already of the lowest quality thanks to the like of ChatGPT and the constant drivel/veiled shitslinging in this thread by a select few being worse than the editions before as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Foreign Exchange Ztudent View Post
    Seems like his belief is that they would instead put all the "Revamp pls" folk on towards a Classic product that fits in that style instead.
    That'd definitely be an interesting take on "Classic+", it wouldn't explain why some of the updated assets have been showing up in mainline WoW (which is a different content branch) but it might explain what 1.15 is and why it's been on encrypted patch endpoints for longer than any retail expansion has before going into Beta (let alone it not being announced yet).

    If there's anything good about this run-up to BlizzCon it's how little is publicly known about the stuff Blizz is working on.

  6. #19106
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post




    And of course the polluted potential wasteland that was Kezan, and the current Bildgewater Harbor.

    Greed and Engineering.... Looks like quite the variety to me.



    Well you're comparing individuals to landmasses and zones. My argument is entirely based around what makes a more varied expansion; A land mass on Azeroth that is goblin-controlled, or a world conquered by Void to the point that its inhabitants got their bodies blown away and are scattered throughout the universe. Given Blizzard's track record, I'm going with the former. It'd be like Pandaria vs Shadowlands, and personally, I'd rather quest in Pandaria.
    I did the Goblin starting zone once and hated it, will never roll a goblin again, also I steer Clear of all the Gnome/Goblin infested areas as much as possible, an expansion about them and their culture would be seriously offputting and im pretty sure im not the only one who feels this way.

  7. #19107
    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    I'm going to continue and remain boring and not invest hope in any leak that doesn't have at least one foot in reality (and I don't mean Teriz reality, actual reality), this leak season is arguably already of the lowest quality thanks to the like of ChatGPT and the constant drivel/veiled shitslinging in this thread by a select few being worse than the editions before as well.



    That'd definitely be an interesting take on "Classic+", it wouldn't explain why some of the updated assets have been showing up in mainline WoW (which is a different content branch) but it might explain what 1.15 is and why it's been on encrypted patch endpoints for longer than any retail expansion has before going into Beta (let alone it not being announced yet).

    If there's anything good about this run-up to BlizzCon it's how little is publicly known about the stuff Blizz is working on.
    I think if classic+ really happens it might not only have a revamp of some sort with updated assets but also toggleable modern character models, so it would be classic wise gameplay but with modern day graphics, models as toggleable option.

  8. #19108
    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    Scaleface, it's time to show your ass in here. Give us some juice!




    As I wrote to few ppl before in private - all I have this time is just a pack of screens, nothing more (and based on the screens themselves there is no point in guessing like with DF where I had much more information).
    It is too risky to upload them in higher quality, as they may be sent intentionally (they may be, for example, generated by AI) to target people who post information during the NDA. Also, as I also mentioned - don't take it too seriously but: most of them have locations with purple skies and models that look very much like dreadlords.
    That's why this time I'm refraining from posting anything, even in the same form as in DF - although it was very funny when you discovered the next clues one by one I simply don't have much information (only a handful of screenshots), and I don't want to cause confusion.

    Personally, without looking at any screenshots, I bet that the expansion may be focused on voids, because many things in the game would indicate this - but this is just my personal opinion. Before shadowlands, there were 4 things planned: shadowlands, dragons (dragonflight), light vs void (???) but also undergrounds.
    In the case of the underground, it may also be different - because, as you yourself have noticed, there was mention of undermined somewhere, so Towellie's recent posts may point towards this - but whether it will be added to the game as an add-on or as a patch - it's hard to say.

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  9. #19109
    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    I'm going to continue and remain boring and not invest hope in any leak that doesn't have at least one foot in reality (and I don't mean Teriz reality, actual reality), this leak season is arguably already of the lowest quality thanks to the like of ChatGPT and the constant drivel/veiled shitslinging in this thread by a select few being worse than the editions before as well.



    That'd definitely be an interesting take on "Classic+", it wouldn't explain why some of the updated assets have been showing up in mainline WoW (which is a different content branch) but it might explain what 1.15 is and why it's been on encrypted patch endpoints for longer than any retail expansion has before going into Beta (let alone it not being announced yet).

    If there's anything good about this run-up to BlizzCon it's how little is publicly known about the stuff Blizz is working on.
    What is your personal hope for next expansion?

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    As I wrote to few ppl before in private - all I have this time is just a pack of screens, nothing more (and based on the screens themselves there is no point in guessing like with DF where I had much more information).
    It is too risky to upload them in higher quality, as they may be sent intentionally (they may be, for example, generated by AI) to target people who post information during the NDA. Also, as I also mentioned - don't take it too seriously but: most of them have locations with purple skies and models that look very much like dreadlords.
    That's why this time I'm refraining from posting anything, even in the same form as in DF - although it was very funny when you discovered the next clues one by one I simply don't have much information (only a handful of screenshots), and I don't want to cause confusion.

    Personally, without looking at any screenshots, I bet that the expansion may be focused on voids, because many things in the game would indicate this - but this is just my personal opinion. Before shadowlands, there were 4 things planned: shadowlands, dragons (dragonflight), light vs void (???) but also undergrounds.
    In the case of the underground, it may also be different - because, as you yourself have noticed, there was mention of undermined somewhere, so Towellie's recent posts may point towards this - but whether it will be added to the game as an add-on or as a patch - it's hard to say.

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    Nathreza with Denathrius as our guy then if the stuff you’ve been sent is legit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    If we get K’Aresh then clearly the eco domes are going to play a massive part on the landmass. Of course there’s going to be a void corrupted zone but it’s also incredibly likely we’d get Arabian inspired zones because of the Ethereal thematics as well as lush jungle zones because of the eco domes we’ve already seen. And that’s the thing with creativity and imagination Teriz, the eco domes are an endless possibility for different climates found in them because of both fantasy and sci fi.
    Teriz just ignores the existence of eco domes for some reason because it would destroy his arguments against the upcoming void expansion.

    What’s curious is why the eco dome hole thing was put in the files for 10.1.7. There’s also Rafaam that was datamined a while back but doesn’t seem to show up anywhere still.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    Teriz just ignores the existence of eco domes for some reason because it would destroy his arguments against the upcoming void expansion.

    What’s curious is why the eco dome hole thing was put in the files for 10.1.7. There’s also Rafaam that was datamined a while back but doesn’t seem to show up anywhere still.
    Yeah, I feel like this is the most likely K’aresh has ever been for a potential expansion. I’d be excited to finally get the chance to possibly play as Ethereals.

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    There he fucking is what the ffff

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    I have zero idea what is going to happen anymore like theres too much noise and the Gamespot interview contradicts the rumor side rather heavily what with focusing on Revamp possibilities and 8 week cadence both which are in severe question outside of the Gamespot interview.

    1.15 I always theorized to just be SoM 2 and not something major but SoM 2 not being confirmed or announced prior to Blizzcon has made me question it a lot. Obviously there's still time for Blizzard to deconfirm what 1.15 is to just be another SoM.
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  14. #19114
    @Scaleface, the images were sent to the protonmail mentioned in the Twitter bio then? How would you estimate the legitimacy of the source?

    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    What is your personal hope for next expansion?
    I honestly just want to stay on Azeroth, bringing forward and iterating upon Dynamic Flight as well as the seamless loading screens (albeit with some fixes). I don't need a revamp, just continous updates and maybe aging/naturally fixing up some of the Cataclysmed zones. Not a big wishlist, I know.

    Quote Originally Posted by ImTheMizAwesome View Post
    I think if classic+ really happens it might not only have a revamp of some sort with updated assets but also toggleable modern character models, so it would be classic wise gameplay but with modern day graphics, models as toggleable option.
    They have been working on some tech that allows hotfixing files by effectively swapping between two builds of the game relatively seamlessly. I've tried it out by swapping a retail client to a classic build while in Stormwind and I could actually see modern Stormwind textures swap to classic Stormwind textures (before it crashed due to incompatible databases between Classic/Retail).

    It being called file hotfixes does imply this much of a change not being the actual usecase for this system and instead being for smaller fixes instead, but its still interesting that the engine allows for reloading of already loaded assets like that outside of internal clients. This system is currently hardcoded to only work inside of Blizzard (as its a WIP), but as much of it being avaliable publicly as is does imply this will be implemented at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    Teriz just ignores the existence of eco domes for some reason because it would destroy his arguments against the upcoming void expansion.
    Yeah, about that;

    History
    Nexus-King Salhadaar and the Ethereum ruled the K'areshi race that would become the ethereals.[3]

    Many thousands of years ago,[4][5] Dimensius invaded K'aresh. How he found it is still hotly debated among the surviving ethereals, but the effects of his coming were unmistakable: he opened countless gateways into the Void and the Twisting Nether around the planet, bathing K'aresh in dark and arcane energies. One of the mortal races hastily attempted to construct magical barriers around its cities, but although the dark energies were blocked, the unimpeded flood of arcane energy tore away the mortals' corporeal shells and infused their souls with enough energy to transform them into the ethereals. This altered state proved to be a blessing in disguise, however, as their enhanced minds and magical abilities allowed the ethereals to fight Dimensius and his limited forces to a standstill. Over the years, however, Dimensius eventually grew powerful enough to summon armies of fellow void creatures, forcing the ethereals to flee into the Twisting Nether.[1]

    According to the Adventure Guide for Pandemonius, K'aresh was destroyed.[6] However, at least one ethereal appears to still operate from K'aresh, which suggests that a portion of the planet may have survived the destruction.[7][8] Dimensius may have also abandoned the planet after the ethereals fled.
    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/K%27aresh

    So we have Ethereals fleeing their homeworld into the twisting nether. And we also have K'aresh being destroyed. So if its a void expansion, us going to K'aresh is highly doubtful.
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  16. #19116
    Will they really make the mistake of going offworld again? Lots of feedback about "this doesnt look/feel like warcraft" and then they go into fucking space. It makes 0 sense.

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    If blizz sent out fake ai images to suss out leakers an muddle the speculation, like scaleface is suggesting may be a possibility, that would be a high iq move

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    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    Will they really make the mistake of going offworld again? Lots of feedback about "this doesnt look/feel like warcraft" and then they go into fucking space. It makes 0 sense.
    I think it makes sense if you assume that Metzen is not working with Steve and Steve is just enjoying the power that has been given to him of running a 100 million USD annual game into the ground.

    Think Metzen is on a different project entirely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiriastrasza View Post
    I did the Goblin starting zone once and hated it, will never roll a goblin again, also I steer Clear of all the Gnome/Goblin infested areas as much as possible, an expansion about them and their culture would be seriously offputting and im pretty sure im not the only one who feels this way.
    TBF, I didn't much enjoy the Goblin starting zone either, and if I roll a Goblin character I tend to level on Exile's Reach instead. That said, I feel the same way about the Worgen starting zone and also have my Worgen run through Exile's Reach instead of the Worgen one. I feel that both starting zones in Cataclysm were too long and drawn out for their own good.

    I don't think Undermine would be anything like the Goblin starting zone tbh.

  20. #19120
    Quote Originally Posted by Foreign Exchange Ztudent View Post
    I think it makes sense if you assume that Metzen is not working with Steve and Steve is just enjoying the power that has been given to him of running a 100 million USD annual game into the ground.

    Think Metzen is on a different project entirely.
    Metzen is confirmed to be working on WoW in a recent interview. Unless you mean a different wow project

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