1. #19241
    Quote Originally Posted by Dismayxz View Post
    When I brought it up to people, we had zero hesitation in going "Probably the Twisting Nether". We have hooks that could lead there with a bit more work, off what we have at the moment.
    I really don't think Twisting Nether fits. Do remember that place is more closely tied to Disorder, i.e. Demons and such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    On the matter of a new world; it just has to be more than one expansion. There needs to be a good reason ofc why it is split in two but an expansion can easily have 6-7 zones if you include patch content and if you find a way to explain why it is in two parts, that means 12-14 zones in total, big enough for it to feel truly large in scale.

    And honestly they could always have some zones be truly massive but also empty. Not every part of a world needs to be populated with quests.
    They should have kept the original "stuck on Draenor" thing and have the follow-up expansion be us going to that southern continent trying to find a way back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    For K'aresh, my ideal setting for a high-concept expansion, I think the scale could work given that it's—just like Outland—shattered or rotting. Theoretically, you could use the small size to its advantage: one way I liked to imagine selling it as a whole planet while still leaving a sufficiently small playable area is that you could have a giant eco-dome or a massive wall, and everything beyond that wall is an uninhabitable Void-coated mess. This could simultaneously make it feel like a sensible part of something much larger and sell the destructive power of the Void.
    Beyond that sounding terrible, my question is what would Thrall have to do with such an expansion since he’s on the BlizzCon key art? Thrall doesn’t mesh well with the void or Ethereals. A more logical choice would be Alleria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Beyond that sounding terrible, my question is what would Thrall have to do with such an expansion since he’s on the BlizzCon key art? Thrall doesn’t mesh well with the void or Ethereals. A more logical choice would be Alleria.
    Nothing. My statement doesn't have anything to do with the next expansion, I'm just asserting that this particular expansion concept could work.
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    Also the amount of hd assets Models not used but old world related have increased from my impression (could be wrong).
    I feel like they might cross a threshold soon where they have so many models already in the clients that they don't have to add so much in the next expansion.
    Those outer world pictures could be concept art at best though they all look too similar for a whole expansion.
    My bet and hope is still on something with a partial revamp but I've learned to become disappointed on the theme they put into the expansions since wod
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    Also the amount of hd assets Models not used but old world related have increased from my impression (could be wrong).
    I feel like they might cross a threshold soon where they have so many models already in the clients that they don't have to add so much in the next expansion.
    Those outer world pictures could be concept art at best though they all look too similar for a whole expansion.
    My bet and hope is still on something with a partial revamp but I've learned to become disappointed on the theme they put into the expansions since wod
    I still find the notion of a void realm based expansion pretty dubious, even with scaleface’s “leak” stuff.
    If that art is legit, it could easily be an island expedition/time rift/legion invasion style gameplay premise for an expansion feature but the proper setting could still centered/anchored on Azeroth.
    I just can’t imagine what they’re doing with all these updated assets over all these years beyond an upcoming revamp. It just feels too unlikely we’d keep getting more assets every patch AND THEN Ion recently confirms a revamp WILL happen for it to all just … get skipped over for the 20th anniversary.
    Call me naieve or overly optimistic, but I can’t see it not happening soon.
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  6. #19246
    Imagine we go to both the remains of nathreza and karesh and have to deal with the void lords, and the sire D lead remnants of the BL along with crazy lightbound zealots.

    Sounds like a good time to me

  7. #19247
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    They should have kept the original "stuck on Draenor" thing and have the follow-up expansion be us going to that southern continent trying to find a way back.
    At this point, I don't think that'll ever be possible...

    Not unless they can move the Trading Post around like the Black Market, but then there's also the issue with the Embassies and getting to unlock Allied races from there... and also some of the major city places like Dalaran (Legion), Dazar'alor/Boralus, and Oribos don't have Auction Houses. (There was the Brutosaur Auction House mount, but that's subjective).

    And even then, there are players who would prefer to back to Old Content to farm for mounts or transmog.. having them locked out of it would be a bad thing. They could try to split player characters based on interests, but then that will just divide the playerbase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Villager720 View Post
    I still find the notion of a void realm based expansion pretty dubious, even with scaleface’s “leak” stuff.
    If that art is legit, it could easily be an island expedition/time rift/legion invasion style gameplay premise for an expansion feature but the proper setting could still centered/anchored on Azeroth.
    I just can’t imagine what they’re doing with all these updated assets over all these years beyond an upcoming revamp. It just feels too unlikely we’d keep getting more assets every patch AND THEN Ion recently confirms a revamp WILL happen for it to all just … get skipped over for the 20th anniversary.
    Call me naieve or overly optimistic, but I can’t see it not happening soon.
    Also after SL's theme bad player reception it would be so weird to yet again do a cosmic expansion again. Didn't they say that they ain't do this anymore?
    If it's void or space Varadoc is definitely the final boss xD
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  9. #19249
    Quote Originally Posted by Woggmer View Post
    At this point, I don't think that'll ever be possible...

    Not unless they can move the Trading Post around like the Black Market, but then there's also the issue with the Embassies and getting to unlock Allied races from there... and also some of the major city places like Dalaran (Legion), Dazar'alor/Boralus, and Oribos don't have Auction Houses. (There was the Brutosaur Auction House mount, but that's subjective).

    And even then, there are players who would prefer to back to Old Content to farm for mounts or transmog.. having them locked out of it would be a bad thing. They could try to split player characters based on interests, but then that will just divide the playerbase.
    Story and gameplay segregation. Preventing players from actually going back would cause problems. Having it just be a lore thing is perfectly viable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    Also after SL's theme bad player reception it would be so weird to yet again do a cosmic expansion again. Didn't they say that they ain't do this anymore?
    If it's void or space Varadoc is definitely the final boss xD
    I don't think you can really say "cosmic=bad" because of Shadowlands. Shadowlands was only technically cosmic, but aside from ZM had nothing really thematically cosmic about it. And frankly, I don't even find the First Ones to be all that cosmic in theme either, even if they are supposed to be. Space, void, black holes, glowing worlds, that shit is cosmic.

    Plus, death is just a weird realm to explore. It should be the ultimate mystery, and dissolving it down into four distinct factions and themes doesn't really capture every cultural idea of death in WoW either. Also, it makes the player feel punished just for being there, especially when trapped in literal WoW hell: AKA the Maw.

  11. #19251
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Would rather we go to the actual Void to deal with the Void Lords.

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    Also, ngl...

    I wanna see Disorder beyond the scope of the Burning Legion
    So the Void...lands???

    Mmmm idk about that

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    Hell we just had an event talking about cosmic stuff (the secrets of Azeroth event)

    Some may not like it but it isn't going away.

  13. #19253
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Sure? Ik SL got a lot of flank, but exploring new Cosmic Realms is always on the table. Same thing applies with the more terrestrial stuff, as well as the Cosmic "Dark Beyond" related plotlines.

    Also, ik the Void having "areas" kinda negates the idea of Void being Void, but reminder that this is also a fictional verse with beings that literally embody nothingnness itself...so...yeah...

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    I mean, we'll likely see the other Cosmic Realms regardless, they'll just be better built up compared to Shadowlands.
    I mean I feel like the "voidlands" is just a massive infinite ocean of void energy. I mean who knows, but it'd prob suffer from emerald dreamitus in that it's too much of the same for an entire expansion but perhaps for a patch or raid.

    With karesh and nathreza, they're planets affected by the void so there's more room for creativity

  14. #19254
    Quote Originally Posted by justwatching View Post
    Its much more likely he knows absolutely nothing and just makes shit up to hype up the game(and his stream). He's done that in the past and I see no reason to believe why this time is any different.
    Ye, To me the problem with this is - Why Towelliee, pretty much the only one from all the content creators that is close to blizzard is tryyyying sooo haard to be the "hints" guy this time around, it's just doesn't feel like being subtle about it but "tryharding" kinda to share info.

    I would believe Towelliee stuff more if there were also other content creators doing that but they don't.


    Even tho these pictures that are probably AI generated, i still find them the most believeable.

    Also i saw some discussion about cata classic.. i mean - Before classic happened, how many private servers out there were actually based on Cata realms? Probably not many successful ones, compared to vanilla-wotlk.

    I was playing private WOTLK before i jumped on retail at the beginning of MoP and there wasn't many Cata realms back then too, so i doubt cata classic is something that people actually are looking for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImTheMizAwesome View Post
    Ye, To me the problem with this is - Why Towelliee, pretty much the only one from all the content creators that is close to blizzard is tryyyying sooo haard to be the "hints" guy this time around, it's just doesn't feel like being subtle about it but "tryharding" kinda to share info.

    I would believe Towelliee stuff more if there were also other content creators doing that but they don't.


    Even tho these pictures that are probably AI generated, i still find them the most believeable.

    Also i saw some discussion about cata classic.. i mean - Before classic happened, how many private servers out there were actually based on Cata realms? Probably not many successful ones, compared to vanilla-wotlk.

    I was playing private WOTLK before i jumped on retail at the beginning of MoP and there wasn't many Cata realms back then too, so i doubt cata classic is something that people actually are looking for.
    They did season of mastery and it died almost immediately
    They also have classic separate from Wrath classic
    Cata wasn't bad at the end
    T11 was horrible and balancing for 10m vs 25m was awful
    But end of expansion even heroics were enjoyable

    Gonna be just like Wrath with reserved leggos though

  16. #19256
    Quote Originally Posted by Well Done Steak View Post
    I mean I feel like the "voidlands" is just a massive infinite ocean of void energy. I mean who knows, but it'd prob suffer from emerald dreamitus in that it's too much of the same for an entire expansion but perhaps for a patch or raid.

    With karesh and nathreza, they're planets affected by the void so there's more room for creativity
    GoldenYak had a pretty interesting idea for an expansion set in the Void, which would have it as a hodgepodge of the remnants of planets destroyed by the Void. I could see something like that being interesting; if it had to be distinguished a bit more from Outland, you could take some additional inspiration from Dark Souls 3's Dreg Heap and put more emphasis on their unnatural convergence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Well Done Steak View Post
    Imagine we go to both the remains of nathreza and karesh and have to deal with the void lords, and the sire D lead remnants of the BL along with crazy lightbound zealots.

    Sounds like a good time to me
    Yeah, my current feeling is that they will try to subvert expectations this time with the basic premise being a world revamp with either Xoroth/Ka'resh/Nathreza as max level Zone (similiar to the Emerald Dream but this time, we go there at the start of the Expansion). Have the Citadel of the Dreadlords there as the first Raid Tier with Daddy Denathrius, with a new body powered up by different cosmic forces. Explore both the Nathrezim, the Remnants of the Legion aswell as tease the original Daemon Pantheon that was there before Sargeras and hint that they are still imprisoned, hence setting up a future primal chaos expansion. This would be a little homage to the original classic plan which had Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms with Outlands as max level content. That said, I would still integrate Kalimdor/Eastern Kingdom in both leveling and max level content.

    Than in 11.1 we go back to Azeroth and focus on the Scarlet Crusades new homebase, have there be hints about Avaloren, and finally give us our Scarlet Crusade Raid. Lorthaxion could be there, turned traitor and working with Iridikron/Xal/Aszhara.

    Lastly 11.2 could be a return to AQ and the Sword were we have to deal with a ressurected C'thun as a distraction while Team Iridikron tries to open the way to Avaloren.

    11.3 with Fated Style raids, aswell as the return of the remastered Zul Gurub timewalking raid with different difficulties but easier tuning than a propper tier just for fun (banking on the classic nostalgia).

    12.0 would be Avaloren and our fight against the last three of Team Iridikron - himself, Xal and Aszhara with one of the two ladies switching sides during that Expansion, maybe even early on but possible to stab us in the back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Well Done Steak View Post
    Imagine we go to both the remains of nathreza and karesh and have to deal with the void lords, and the sire D lead remnants of the BL along with crazy lightbound zealots.

    Sounds like a good time to me
    This sounds like it would suffer from BfA's problem in that it would just be an uncoordinated mess trying to attack too many angles at once.
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    You know I've been on karesh's cock for a while now but I'm starting to think Nathreza is a huge candidate.

    The leaked cinematic creatures look like dreadlords.

    The datamined dread lord set could be the collector's edition mog items similar to SL and DF.

    The current unknown status of Sire D.

    And those pics look like a planet that got ffffffucked up outland style, which we know is what happened to nathreza in the Illidam novel.

    Who knows, maybe we'll go to both and instead of a Seafair exp it's a spacefairing exp, oh boy
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  20. #19260
    Quote Originally Posted by FossilFree View Post
    I don't think you can really say "cosmic=bad" because of Shadowlands. Shadowlands was only technically cosmic, but aside from ZM had nothing really thematically cosmic about it. And frankly, I don't even find the First Ones to be all that cosmic in theme either, even if they are supposed to be. Space, void, black holes, glowing worlds, that shit is cosmic.

    Plus, death is just a weird realm to explore. It should be the ultimate mystery, and dissolving it down into four distinct factions and themes doesn't really capture every cultural idea of death in WoW either. Also, it makes the player feel punished just for being there, especially when trapped in literal WoW hell: AKA the Maw.
    I think TBC executed its theme well. While it was definitely pretty awfully-written at points, its overall aesthetic and portrayal of Outland feels like it's sufficiently cohesive with everything else in the lore. I figure that something that looks more like Outland than a disjointed theme park of random aesthetics—almost all of which are alien to the setting—could work well enough. Playing a bit on 80s high-concept fantasy was a good start, and I figure any future expeditions to alien worlds would be better off if they went with that. For lack of it, even Legion—an otherwise-good expansion—made its cosmic elements feel a bit awkward and aesthetically-bland.
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