1. #19961
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Well that's the thing; A World Revamp isn't a guaranteed crowd pleaser either. We're occupying a bubble on these forums and the official forums because the vast majority of WoW players aren't on forums, and probably wouldn't view a world revamp as something worth an expansion. Believing that Blizzard is structuring the new expansion around what the supposed consensus is on WoW forums is a rather silly thing to believe.
    The following have been "promised" by the likes of you and any leaker for several expansions now:

    "The next expansion will totally be <x> trust me bro"

    1.) Invasion of Yrel/light
    2.) Undermine
    3.) Azjol
    4.) World Revamp
    5.) Anything underground/other side of Azeroth

    At this point, anyone can shout they were right in the end. Nearly every possible option has been shouted/screeched without it happening.

  2. #19962
    Quote Originally Posted by LemonDemonGirl View Post
    World of Warcraft: Azeroth Reborn
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    Because rolling back time doesn't change when Arthas, or Deathwing, or the Legion show up?

    If you're just regurgitating Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms as they were before and then ignoring all the threats and places you brought back by resetting to sail west, why are you bothering to reset shit at all? Just sail west now, when you don't have to come up for some absurdly convoluted reason for why everyone's just going to ignore Scourge invasions to go sailing.
    Uh, yes it does?

    We'll know exactly what we need to change for those threats not to appear. For example, the Legion only returned because of the events set in motion by Garrosh.

    That said, I am all for "sailing west" in any way, shape or form. It's just that I don't think they should (or would want to) abandon EK and KA.

  3. #19963
    Quote Originally Posted by Horologium View Post
    tsk tsk

    1.0.15 or just 1.0.B4?

    i .imgur.com/19tAc31.png
    My god that looks horrible. That font does not fit Warcraft at all. especially not classic. Next time make it fit better

  4. #19964
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Only if corrupted, which it won't.
    Danuser specifically wrote those new lines for a reason....

    The tree may not be corrupted, but nzoth pretty much confirms that the void will use it SOMEHOW to their benefit.

  5. #19965
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    A green, mountainous zone with lava sections where we try to restore Black and Red Dragnoflights, repel Primalists attack and take down giants that hunt dragons for sport. A green plains when we unite centaur clans and deal with the one that betrays them. A mostly snowy region when we restore Blue Dragonflight, fight with Primalists and deal with gnolls harassing walrus people. A capital region, where we have to deal with infiltrators and betrayers, literally moving through the corpses left from their attacks. A huge cavern with mole people, but also fire giants and a raid, where fucked up experiments were commenced. We also had an elemental caves raid, and dungeons. NONE of this shit "too wholesome and cutesy".

    You were complaining about Niffen/Chromie. Is this why you have this wrong assumption? If DF is wholesome and cutesy, then wtf is MoP to you, with Pandaren fixation on food, drink and having a good time.
    I just replied to the other guy. it's mostly the way npcs interact with each other and the dialogues.

    also, let's not compare dragonflop with mop ty

  6. #19966
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    @Worldshaper

    "If we think about it, has World of Warcraft really improved Warcraft's lore over the past decade?"

    Lmao wot?

    WoW quite literally expanded the Warcraft universe in ways the RTS never could. New threats are being made, new futures are being started, and old threafs have been eliminated thanks to WoW. Like, what do you mean???

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    Also, remember when people thought we'd see Y'Shaarj or Yogg-Saron in DF?

    Jesus fuck...
    I said in the past decade.

    2004 - 2014 was great imo.

    2015 or thereabouts and on, i.e. when the Legion was dealt with, has been mediocre.

  7. #19967
    Quote Originally Posted by Well Done Steak View Post
    Black empire Nzoth vaguely implied the roots of something (Amridrassil because wtf else) will fuck shit up
    It might cause something, but it's insane to think that Blizzard will make the tree a bad thing when

    A) night elf fans
    B) It's such a positive thing it empowers the dragons now for christs sake

  8. #19968
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    I never argued that people thought that lmao wot?

    I'm saying that people would complain about anything new regarding WoW (They'll like Legion/Old God/Scourge stuff tho cause it's old WoW), which HAS been the case for a while now. If it's got nothing to do with the Old Gods or those past villains, people don't care as much.

    Ik the Incarnates were well received by many, but others aren't convinced, or simply are invested cause of the past villain connections, or Void connections (cause hurr could mean Old Gods hurr).
    Go back and read your own posts. It isn’t down to me to guide you round what you’ve been saying.

  9. #19969
    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    I said in the past decade.

    2004 - 2014 was great imo.

    2015 or thereabouts and on, i.e. when the Legion was dealt with, has been mediocre.
    nah the writing was just bad. bfa and shadowlands had great concepts/themes but they were executed horribly. also, n'zoth and azshara deserved their own expansion

  10. #19970
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    It might cause something, but it's insane to think that Blizzard will make the tree a bad thing when

    A) night elf fans
    B) It's such a positive thing it empowers the dragons now for christs sake
    Don't think the tree itself will be bad, just that the void might somehow use it to their advantage.

  11. #19971
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    And what is the og WoW vibe? Heavy metal Death stuff? Demon invasions?

    Also, how is it too wholesome and cutesy? Cause we saved Nozdormu from a horrible fate? Because the Blue Dragonflight now has a proper future? Because the Black Dragonflight actually has a proper future now?
    The general surface vibe of Dragonflight is cutesy. There's no doubt about that. Funny you mention those quests though, in one of them we were guided by Chromie which has the borderline anime girl behaviour, and in the other, while it was a very good quest, there were stuff like "10k year old dragon taking a dip in the hotsprings and acting like they still have new stuff to learn in life".

  12. #19972
    Quote Originally Posted by pacotaco View Post
    In Azeroth:
    - Emerald Dream
    - Undermine
    - The South Seas
    - Avaloren / The other side of the planet

    Outside:
    - Nathreza
    - Karesh
    - The other planets explored in the Legion invasion portals
    - More planets referenced in SL
    The worlds you listed are unlikely to be visited except as patch content, and that's me being generous. Draenor and arguably Argus are the only two non-Azeroth worlds that have any relevance in the lore. The rest are just background fodder.

    The Emerald Dream is being explored, as decided by Blizzard, in 10.2.

    The South Seas and Undermine are arguably one and the same, unless they do the hollow earth expansion we've been discussing. I'm not sure they'd want to do that at this point. Do I want it? Yes. Does Blizzard want to create an expansion out of scraps? Maybe.

    The other side of Azeroth and/or Avaloren (whether they're the same or not) is pretty much it for upcoming potential. I do think it's possible they let us explore the entire backside of Azeroth for multiple expansions. But does that hold the necessary appeal for lapsed old school players?

  13. #19973
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    A green, mountainous zone with lava sections where we try to restore Black and Red Dragnoflights, repel Primalists attack and take down giants that hunt dragons for sport. A green plains when we unite centaur clans and deal with the one that betrays them. A mostly snowy region when we restore Blue Dragonflight, fight with Primalists and deal with gnolls harassing walrus people. A capital region, where we have to deal with infiltrators and betrayers, literally moving through the corpses left from their attacks. A huge cavern with mole people, but also fire giants and a raid, where fucked up experiments were commenced. We also had an elemental caves raid, and dungeons. NONE of this shit "too wholesome and cutesy".

    You were complaining about Niffen/Chromie. Is this why you have this wrong assumption? If DF is wholesome and cutesy, then wtf is MoP to you, with Pandaren fixation on food, drink and having a good time.
    Yup. And on top of that, wasn't the 'wholesome and cutesy' theme an actual purpose of this expansion and not just an accidental side-effect? Maybe I'm reaching here, but I always believed that the main musical theme for an expansion foreshadowed it's general idea and, more or less, it added up in the previous ones. Believe it or not, but Dragonflight's music is simply uplifting, joyful and adventure, which to me suggests nothing else, but the chill direction for it's story. It seems to me it was an obvious take on that story from the moment I've seen the cinematic.

  14. #19974
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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    I said in the past decade.

    2004 - 2014 was great imo.

    2015 or thereabouts and on, i.e. when the Legion was dealt with, has been mediocre.
    Oh yeah, Classic and TBC, perfect lore xD. Hell even Wrath had so many stupid bits and just used good setup from RTS - even SL was more cohesive narrative compared to: Arthas as saturday morning villain -> killing aspect of magic for some reason -> killing old god for some reason -> tournament (????) -> killing Lich King.

  15. #19975
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    The Dracthyr? You mean Neltharions secret military armada? Yeah, that's totally not Warcraft. Idc if they look goofy, we have GNOMES IN WOW BRO!!!
    they look like furry (scalie) shit taken from deviantart. nothing about them screams warcraft lmao. also too much focus on emberthal and her feelings

    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    NPCs talk overexaggerated. This isn't new.
    compare the dialogues between dragonflight and vanilla wow. it's night and day

    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    NPCs talking about their feelings is fine, cause it explicitly shows how time has changed people and scenarios as a whole. Kalecgos wants to be a better leader for his people, Ebyssian is the middle man and wishes to be a good leader for Wrathion, Sabellian, and Emberthal + the Dracthyr, Alexstrasza and Vyranoth are tryna be diplomatic in things, Nozdormu was in a literal depression and Chromie + the Heroes of Azeroth sparked a new flame of hope within him, and Merithra is gaining motherly advice by Ysera on how to become a proper leader for the Green Dragonflight. No shit it's touchy.
    there is no balance between cool and touching (something mop had).

  16. #19976
    Quote Originally Posted by Zebir95 View Post
    nah the writing was just bad. bfa and shadowlands had great concepts/themes but they were executed horribly. also, n'zoth and azshara deserved their own expansion
    But that's part of what I'm saying. The story of WoW hasn't made the Warcraft universe, or Azeroth, more interesting since we dealt with the Legion.

    They've rushed through cool concepts like Nazjatar and the Black Empire. They've given us Val'sharah 2.0 as the Emerald Dream. They've ruined Arthas' legacy with Shadowlands (and Uther's, and Sylvanas', and...). They've burned down Teldrassil and made a mess of the Undercity. Numerous great characters and leaders are gone for no reason other than shock value.

    Let's not even begin to discuss how they ruined the Night Elves.

  17. #19977
    Quote Originally Posted by Nebron View Post
    Yup. And on top of that, wasn't the 'wholesome and cutesy' theme an actual purpose of this expansion and not just an accidental side-effect? Maybe I'm reaching here, but I always believed that the main musical theme for an expansion foreshadowed it's general idea and, more or less, it added up in the previous ones. Believe it or not, but Dragonflight's music is simply uplifting, joyful and adventure, which to me suggests nothing else, but the chill direction for it's story. It seems to me it was an obvious take on that story from the moment I've seen the cinematic.
    the purpose of dragonflight was to lower the scale of things and make us adventurers again, but it should have done that in a "warcraft way". blizzard's approach was too extreme

  18. #19978
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    2004-2014 was sloppy as shit, and it took current expacs to course correct some of the shit that occurred from there.

    Legion made Illidan into a proper anti-hero again, Shadowlands fixed the stupid asf "there must always be a Lich King" ending from Wrath, Dragonflight quite literally fixed the shitty Cataclysm ending, etc.
    Look at this guy, cheering for Danuser and dissing Metzen's work on the night we're all celebrating Metzen's return. So much edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Oh yeah, Classic and TBC, perfect lore xD. Hell even Wrath had so many stupid bits and just used good setup from RTS - even SL was more cohesive narrative compared to: Arthas as saturday morning villain -> killing aspect of magic for some reason -> killing old god for some reason -> tournament (????) -> killing Lich King.
    I'm not sure what's wrong about that narrative. You didn't really specify what it was.

  19. #19979
    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    Look at this guy, cheering for Danuser and dissing Metzen's work on the night we're all celebrating Metzen's return. So much edge.
    I'm fairly sure most of what they listed (especially There must always be a Lich King and all of Cata Thrall) are historically pretty clowned on. Metzen is a great creator but even some of his stories suck.

  20. #19980
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    I'm fairly sure most of what they listed (especially There must always be a Lich King and all of Cata Thrall) are historically pretty clowned on. Metzen is a great creator but even some of his stories suck.
    And yet, WoW was a cultural phenomenon and everybody played back then. Whereas these days, all we do is moan about whatever it is we're given, from the endless stalling of the story to the non-stop breaking down of all the myth and charm of the universe. Everything's a damn machine on a blueprint these days.

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