Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Reive]

Yeah I'm not keeping my hopes up. As far as it being a capital, that's pretty weird as well. Because it's a raid. I doubt they're going to make the raid non-instanced and available to enter seamlessly from the outside. So either all those elves are going there to live out in the woods, or we'll never see them again because the raid will always be a raid.

Doesn't boralus have an instanced version and a non-instanced version (the bfa hub)? it can work. also, the tree is not fully grown yet so to get a full city there we will probably have to wait a world revamp/new expansion.

[Hitei]

Believing that this is an elemental expansion simply because we have order-based dragons squaring off against elemental-based and time-based dragons is quite a take.

Ah, see, but what you actually meant to type was:

Believing that this is an elemental expansion simply because we have order-based dragons squaring off against elemental-based dragons, and an elementalist faction who fight alongside elementals, and a race of elemental-fire infused giants and tribes of elemental-decay infused gnolls, and elemental-earth infused furbolgs and element-wielding gorlocs and elemental-air infused centaurs and ice-spiders and ice-bears and flame-phoenixes while all over the continent groups of elementals rage and fight is quite a take.

And yes, that is definitely "a take". "A take" here meaning, common fucking sense.

[Santandame]

On the small chance Eclipse is real (and even if it isn’t) what are peoples hopes/expectations for Avaloren’s theme?

I could see a Camelot themed landmass with WoW’s interpretation of Merlin, Morgen Le Fay, King Arthur, the round table and the Holy Grail. It’s a bit surprising we haven’t seen the WoW version of them yet.

[Cheezits]

Yeah I'm not keeping my hopes up. As far as it being a capital, that's pretty weird as well. Because it's a raid. I doubt they're going to make the raid non-instanced and available to enter seamlessly from the outside. So either all those elves are going there to live out in the woods, or we'll never see them again because the raid will always be a raid.

The tree isn't fully grown in the Raid or the Dream, there isn't a settlement yet.

[Well Done Steak]

World of Warcraft: Eclipse

- Theme is Light vs. Void
- Azshara main villain. Makes contact with void lords. Xal’atath returns with Iridikron. Plan is to corrupt Sargeras into a dark Titan to kill the other titans.
- Playable Ethereals start out on K’aresh. Zone returns as patch content.
- Avaloren new continent with Titan city Uldaz as capital.
- New feature similar to Torghast but is called Path of the Titans

This is like the third eclipse leak, lmao

[Reive]

Just saw this and havent seen it posted. Updated blizzcon map.
Hall D: World of Warcraft®, Hearthstone®, and Warcraft Rumble® including: the WoW Corridor of Time, the Warcraft Tavern, Rumble: In the Machine, the WoW Guild Clash, the Hearthstone Artist’s Nook, Hearthstone Duel-a-Dev, and the Darkmoon Faire

seem like they are going deep into the theming.

2 full halls for ow is nuts. i guess they love that game lol. also, so much variety in the warcraft hall

[Hitei]

This is like the third eclipse leak, lmao

Eclipse is the new <X of Dragons>.

Imo still firmly against basic name marketing that Blizzard employs. Eclipse is totally and completely generic. Is it about Elune? Does it just take place on the moon? Is it metaphorical and referring to void invasion? Is it metaphorical and a play on light and void?

[Woggmer]

DF is like 90% fire in the elements department and that's like saying WoD had demons so legion can't happen

Also important devs have said they want expansions to connect

It's also worth noting that Fyrakk's attack on Amirdrassil along with bringing the Firelands over is similar to what Ragnaros tried to achieve when Deathwing summoned him.

And since Iridikron is reserved for the next expansion (supposedly), he's gonna be the next "Deathwing" and bring about an elemental chaos with the Primalists helping him (who we still know nothing about their organization.)

[Santandame]

Ah, see, but what you actually meant to type was:



And yes, that is definitely "a take". "A take" here meaning, common fucking sense.

Not to mention the Elemental themes throughout most of the Dragonflight dungeons as well as with each of the previous expansion dungeon pools, dungeons with very on the nose elemental themes have been chosen (Vortex Pinnacle, Throne of the Tides).

[flan1337]

2 full halls for ow is nuts. i guess they love that game lol. also, so much variety in the warcraft hall

Yeah kinda upset about that - is the overwatch world cup still a thing? Do people watch that? It should be half a hall.

[Joszef Kiprich]

Saying DF isn't mostly elemental, next to dragons ofcourse, is quite the take. We have Elemental dragons. An elemental pre patch. Every zone has one element as main influence and the list goes on.

[Marlamin]

Just saw this and havent seen it posted. Updated blizzcon map.
Hall D: World of Warcraft®, Hearthstone®, and Warcraft Rumble® including: the WoW Corridor of Time, the Warcraft Tavern, Rumble: In the Machine, the WoW Guild Clash, the Hearthstone Artist’s Nook, Hearthstone Duel-a-Dev, and the Darkmoon Faire

seem like they are going deep into the theming.

No clue how representative the detailing is but that looks like 2 separate WoW demo areas?

[flan1337]

No clue how representative the detailing is but that looks like 2 separate WoW demo areas?

Noticed that as well - would make sense one for classic one for retail.

[Reive]

Yeah kinda upset about that - is the overwatch world cup still a thing? Do people watch that? It should be half a hall.

ow league is still a thing. it's also decently popular i think

[Marlamin]

Noticed that as well - would make sense one for classic one for retail.

A "Corridor of Time" being inbetween the retail and classic demo areas makes sense in that case as well.

[Villager720]

Shamans are more likely than druids in DF itself. Besides a slight hint of Pandaren druids, there is no Druids for All stuff in the Dream patch, files, or story itself.

…what uh, what pandaren druid stuff did we see? Curious.

[Teriz]

Hrm. You think there will be another big patch where that happens or?

Cuz right now I'm under the assumption that 10.2 will be the final major raid.

Very possible, since there could potentially be another mega dungeon like Dawn of the Infinite where we kill him.

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Saying DF isn't mostly elemental, next to dragons ofcourse, is quite the take. We have Elemental dragons. An elemental pre patch. Every zone has one element as main influence and the list goes on.

I do believe the argument was literally that Dragonflight is an elemental expansion. Which is nonsense.

[Cheezits]

…what uh, what pandaren druid stuff did we see? Curious.

There is a World Quest where a little Pandaren is having a dream and creating monsters by accident in the Emerald Dream. You have to get rid of them.

There's also a few dialogues scattered around from Druids saying they had dreams about the Dream when they were young. which may be some new lore they are seeding.

If you combine the two things, then its implied that Panda is set to be a Druid when he grows up.

[Teriz]

Pretty sure at the time we didn’t know that the Drust were related to the realm of Death. We assumed they were related to the Dream as some of the Drust had founded the Thirnspeakers which were Kul Tiran Druids. Though I may be wrong and misremembering if it was confirmed they were Death related at the time.

Well Drustvar itself displays just how much the Drust involves death. It's all over that landmass.

The Bwonsamdi storyline was pretty much small fry. Certainly not enough for it to be considered the secondary theme of an expansion. It was a HvA expansion with the Old Gods as the secondary theme.

Bwonsamdi alone? No. Bwondsamdi alongside the Drust alongside Sylvanas using the war to collect souls for the Jailer does make it a secondary theme. Which is why BFA so easily led to Shadowlands.

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ofc they're dragons. it's just that in almost every cinematic they're in their humanoid/elemental form. it's easy to forget what they are tbh lol also, as @Hitei pointed out, there is a lot (too much) elemental stuff in df.

A lot of elemental stuff doesn't mean that it's an elemental expansion though. Everything elemental-based in this expansion is in service to the overarching dragon themes.

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They’re literally elementals.
Dragons came from elementals.

They're literally proto-dragons. They're simply infused with elemental power, just like the flights are infused with order magic.

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Ah, see, but what you actually meant to type was:

And yes, that is definitely "a take". "A take" here meaning, common fucking sense.

Yeah, you're clearly overblowing the influence of elementals in this expansion. If you want to believe that this is an elemental expansion instead of a dragon expansion with an elemental sub theme., that's your opinion and you're welcome to it.

[Nightshade711]

They're literally proto-dragons. They're simply infused with elemental power, just like the flights are infused with order magic.

To the point that they became Elementals again yes.

I don’t see how this expansion isn’t an elemental one.
Prepatch was an elemental invasion. Main villains are elementals/elemental cultists. So far 2/3 raids are heavily themed around elementals with the next patch having us fight and kill the lord of fire.
Zones are heavily involving the elements… the list goes on.


You want an elemental expansion? You’re playing one now.