Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[ArthasFanboy]

Firstly, I doubt it'll be a "dwarf" expansion. More likely, the "dwarves" of Khaz Algar are a faction/link to going to Avaloren (other side of Azeroth). Secondly, why wouldn't people come back? We're talking "potentially" a new continent on another side of the planet everyone loves (Azeroth). You think more people would come back for an expansion on another planet/dimension/domain?? The theme can still be "elemental", "Void", or anything else.

Another cosmic would be boring too. I was coping with the idea that we are returning to the old world, with a revamp. Going to the other side of Azeroth will be another continuation of the cosmic fight that we have been seeing for a long time. We will see that the titans did this, and that the Old Gods did that. The same as Dragonflight. I'm already fed up that we can't stop this cosmic conflict shit that no one cares about.

[Nibelheimy]

Very interesting. It would make sense why Gryphons are being worked on for Dynamic flying first.

While imagining Khaz'Algar a couple of weeks ago I did think back to Thor'Modan in Grizzly hills after seeing Towelies images. This sort of thing would work exceptionally well as a capital city. I only wonder if it would be a fissure in the ocean itself or part of an island. Lets say theoretically its a more vertical landmass. Khaz'Algar at the top looking like this as a fissure in the ocean, and it just goes deeper and deeper. It could be a really interesting change of pace. Would also why Odins expeditions couldn't reach there shores. There isn't really any.

Unrelated but interesting coincidence, I'm replaying Zul'Drak currently on an alt and there is a storm giant quest giver called Algar.

[Teriz]

I'm not so sure about this. The dwarven aesthetic is very Vanilla-era WoW that people are supposedly clamoring for. If they pull this off well I think it could be quite interesting.

An idea I haven't seen bandied about yet (granted, I haven't read all 23k posts!) - rather than having an entirely underground expansion, what if Khaz'Algar is our way into Avaloren? Rather than the MoP go-to solution of 'hurr durr we tried to brave the storm but crashed', what if we entirely dodge the raging storm of certain death by going under it, and gradually venturing out into the new continent as the expansion progresses?

That would make the Algarian dwarves a key feature of the expansion without necessarily making it a dwarven-centric expansion.

Remember that the Dwarf theme from the mount doesn't have to literally be the theme of the expansion, just a cool thing that is present like past collector's edition mounts that weren't really front and centre of the expansion:
- dread ravens in WoD never amounted to much
- anima serpents in SL were speedy taxis
- quillen in MoP were just emblematic of the Mogu
- dreadstalkers in Legion were just mountable demons
etc etc

Yeah, I think people are overblowing the Dwarf thematics here. An Algerian Stormrider might not be a standard gryphon. It could very likely be a titan construct of some type.

[huth]

Those sound like dragon racing achievements, not expansion editions, they've never referred to them as that, only to dragon racing achievements.

They might not even have anything to do with the rest. Ysergle doesn't sound like something for the next expansion either, an Ysera based Murloc would fit better with DF.

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Yeah, I think people are overblowing the Dwarf thematics here. An Algerian Stormrider might not be a standard gryphon. It could very likely be a titan construct of some type.

Very likely not. An Algarian Stormrider might also be less living creature, maybe more in line with the granite ones.

[Myrrh]

Its boring as fuck dude, just say you play as a dwarf main. No one cares about this shit race.

You got me, my level 7 dwarf hunter I made as a kid then promptly abandoned is proof of my rampant obsession with dwarves.

Weird hostility. My expectations are low regardless, but I also don't get get my rocks off from baselessly hating something based purely on a collector's edition achievement.

[Teriz]

Very likely not. An Algarian Stormrider might also be less living creature, maybe more in line with the granite ones.

So a stone Gryphon? Definitely possible, since it vibes with the underground/earth thematics.

Also gotta love spellcheck.

[ArthasFanboy]

More likely a titan/elemental expansion.

Don´t want to be negative. But that is not better either in my opinion. Dragonflight is literally a titan vs elements expansion. (Aspects vs Primalist). And with all the successes we can give to Dragonflight, his theme was not one of them.
Maybe it's just me.

[Ersula]

Very likely not. An Algarian Stormrider might also be less living creature, maybe more in line with the granite ones.

Are we saying it's not the Black-winged, Green-eyed datamined gryphon texture? Because that looks more undead than elemental.

Metzen really said, "I don't only care about orcs, I also care about dwarves. And that's all"

[Reive]

idk about the theme, but let's hope the new features are good lol. i can't take another dragonflight in terms of content

[Santandame]

They might not even have anything to do with the rest. Ysergle doesn't sound like something for the next expansion either, an Ysera based Murloc would fit better with DF.

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Very likely not. An Algarian Stormrider might also be less living creature, maybe more in line with the granite ones.

I’d imagine gryphons would find it a bit hot in Algeria.

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Its boring as fuck dude, just say you play as a dwarf main. No one cares about this shit race.

Dwarves are awesome.

[Kiivar86]

dwarf expansion? Thats depressing. I don't think people will come back to the game to see the other side of Azeroth they've never heard of.

At some point we have to go places we've not heard of. We have very little existing places at this point that we haven't been. And do you think Tel'abim will draw people?

The weird dislike some of you have about going to places that aren't based on existing lore (and since Avaloren and Khaz Algar are now seeded, they count as existing lore really anyway) is baffling.

[Nokster10]

prepare for Wrath of the Magni

[Holdodlig]

Its boring as fuck dude, just say you play as a dwarf main. No one cares about this shit race.

You must be crazy. The most epic aesthetic of Classic WoW comes from content with dwarves. BRD, Ironforge. All those things are epic. Now imagine them in DF scale.

[Woggmer]

I should point out that Falstad is in the Ohn'ahran Plains in DF and he's at the main Maruuk Centaur town, he hasn't been doing anything since he got there... but if Khaz Algar involvess a variant of the Wildhammer clan.. then they might be setting something up with Falstad to get him ready for the next expansion... or how he gets involved with the Stormriders.

[Akhinos]

I’d imagine gryphons would find it a bit hot in Algeria.

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Dwarves are awesome.

Everyone said that dragons were awesome, but here we are with yet another mediocre expansion, because dragons were never interesting in WOW, just like dwarves. What do dwarves do in WOW that makes them awesome? The dwarven RPG concept is cool, but in Warcraft? Never was.. People dont understand that those races are supporting for a reason.

[FossilFree]

Maybe Algar is the dwarf word for Avaloren?

[Reive]

thinking about interviews, i think we're not going to get player housing next expansion. ion said they would add player housing only after updating the engine. I don't think 11.0 is going to have any of that.

[Santandame]

Everyone said that dragons were awesome, but here we are with yet another mediocre expansion, because dragons were never interesting in WOW, just like dwarves. What do dwarves do in WOW that makes them awesome? The dwarven RPG concept is cool, but in Warcraft? Never was.. People dont understand that those races are supporting for a reason.

As has already been said, some of the coolest elements from classic WoW were from the Dwarves. Even the Iron Dwarf cities in Grizzly Hills were cool. With current technology and art direction we could get some awesome Dwarf cities in the next expansion. Also, I think it’s fairly safe to assume that these Dwarves will look pretty different to what we currently have in WoW. One idea that was floated around a few pages back was the Elder Scrolls interpretation of Dwarves which could be an interesting direction.

[Teriz]

Don´t want to be negative. But that is not better either in my opinion. Dragonflight is literally a titan vs elements expansion. (Aspects vs Primalist). And with all the successes we can give to Dragonflight, his theme was not one of them.
Maybe it's just me.

Again, I think people are probably blowing the dwarven influence out of proportion. Consider that the heroic mount for Dragonflight was based on the Emerald Dream, yet we haven't even touched the dream this entire expansion, and won't touch it until we get to 10.2 in November. Similarly, we might not get to Khaz Algar until later in the expansion.

What's the core theme of this mount? It's titan based and from an underground area. That's more than likely the thematics of the next expansion, and I for one think it could be quite exciting.

[Cheezits]

Between the Isle of Conquest/Winterspring vehicle remodels and the Dwarf stuff, maybe 11.0 and Khaz Algar/Avaloren will be kind of a Northrend 2.0 in themes and aesthetics?