Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Teriz]

My man, just stop reaching. The Algarian Stormrider, which is the Heroic Edition mount, is gonna be a Gryphon.



The Blizzcon Mount, which is the Frost Elemental, is 1.) not a Stormrider from Ulduar and 2.) Blizzcon mounts are NEVER relevant to any expansion.

Just FYI, that reference is to the Dwarven riders themselves, not the beasts that they ride. On the other hand, the elemental itself is actually called a Stormrider.

[Lady Atia]

Now, I really think Kaja'mite is worth exploring further, still.

• It turned Goblins and other primitive races sentient and hyper intelligent. But the effect diminished over time.
• It primarily came from Kezan and its surrounding islands, with the biggest deposits found underneath Mount Kajaro (Undermine).
• It is suspiciously similar to Saronite and Azerite in its name and how it affects living creatures around it, thus suggesting it, too, might be the blood of something ancient and powerful.
• Mimiron himself didn't know what it was, which prompted him to conduct his experiments with it (thus creating the Goblins).

If the Old Gods (collectively, by the looks of things) are able to turn titanforged into living creatures...

And Azeroth is able to create as well as speed up the development of life (as seen around the Well of Eternity for example)...

And Kaja'mite, whatever it is, is able to boost your intelligence...

There's got to be something here!

Is there a 5th Old God underneath Undermine, and was it Xal'atath whose blood turned into Kaja'mite?



I'm on to you, Xal'atath!

I'm quite sure it was said in BfA that Kajamite is proto-Azerite? Galiwyx had some of it in his staff and it reacted and turned into Azerite during the BfA prologue. Or was that a second substance found within Kezan?

[Makorus]

Just FYI, that reference is to the Dwarves riders, not the beasts that they ride. The elemental is actually called a Stormrider.

So you are telling me that the "Algarian Stormrider" mount is gonna be an Elemental, even though we have textures for a Gryphon mount, Gryphon had new Dragonriding animations added in 10.1.7, Khaz Algar has Dwarves, and there were Gryphon Rider transmogs added that explicitly namedrop "Stormriders"...

because there's a random trash mob with no quest association or anything from 12 years ago with the same name.

Honestly, do you even believe what you are saying yourself?

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/npc=13...rmrider-telmin I mean, wow, look, here's a Dwarf who has two Gryphons.

[Teriz]

So you are telling me that the "Algarian Stormrider" mount is gonna be an Elemental, even though we have textures for a Gryphon mount, Gryphon had new Dragonriding animations added in 10.1.7, Khaz Algar has Dwarves, and there were Gryphon Rider transmogs added that explicitly namedrop "Stormriders"...

because there's a random trash mob with no quest association or anything from 12 years ago with the same name.

Honestly, do you even believe what you are saying yourself?

1. The Gryphon textures don't belong to the heroic mount. That's a different mount entirely.

2. The heroic mount offered in the Expansion pre-order has little to do with the direct lore of the expansion, it is just based on the theme of the expansion. Again, see the Tangled Dreamweaver that was the heroic mount for Dragonflight.

3. The new animations for Gryphons might have absolutely nothing to do with the heroic mount. Gryphons are clearly going to be new mounts for dragon riding. That doesn't stop the heroic mount from being an elemental. Again, refer back to the heroic mount from Dragonflight; The Tangled Dreamweaver isn't a dragonriding mount despite being a dragon.

4. The denizens of Khaz Algar are not dwarves. They have the mannerisms and culture of dwarves, but they are something else physiologically.

5. Finally (again) the reference to "storm rider" you are referring to are the dwarves themselves. The gryphons they ride are never called Stormriders. Interestingly, the term "Stormrider" may have come from those elementals in the storm peaks.

[Makorus]

1. The Gryphon textures don't belong to the heroic mount. That's a different mount entirely.

2. The heroic mount offered in the Expansion pre-order has little to do with the direct lore of the expansion, it is just based on the theme of the expansion. Again, see the Tangled Dreamweaver that was the heroic mount for Dragonflight.

3. The new animations for Gryphons might have absolutely nothing to do with the heroic mount. Gryphons are clearly going to be new mounts for dragon riding. That doesn't stop the heroic mount from being an elemental. Again, refer back to the heroic mount from Dragonflight; The Tangled Dreamweaver isn't a dragonriding mount despite being a dragon.

4. The denizens of Khaz Algar are not dwarves. They have the mannerisms and culture of dwarves, but they are something else physiologically.

I give up.

Peace y'all, see you guys during Blizzcon (or when Teriz is getting banned again).

[Nightshade711]

That said, I do believe that given the leaked information about the mount and pets, it's safe to say that a void vs. light expansion is effectively dead.

Leaked information that you’re stretching so thin.
For some, Squally could be a pet related to NightSQUALL. And/or a baby gryphon pet to patch the heroic edition gryphon mount.

The next expansion is going to heavily involve the elements.

Just like when you said next expansion is going to involve Yrel invading because of thrall?
Or Undermine would be present during Dragonflight because of a robot dragon mount/pet?

Also it's looking like that Chinese leaker is going to remain at 100% accuracy.

It’d still be accurate in “following cataclysm” or whatever if it’s void/old god related.

[Reive]

Fingers crossed it's something more interesting or I could see this being poorly received.

i hope we get something to give a bit more context to what we know so far because it's kinda underwhelming right now lol

[Nightshade711]

1. The Gryphon textures don't belong to the heroic mount. That's a different mount entirely.

2. The heroic mount offered in the Expansion pre-order has little to do with the direct lore of the expansion, it is just based on the theme of the expansion. Again, see the Tangled Dreamweaver that was the heroic mount for Dragonflight.

3. The new animations for Gryphons might have absolutely nothing to do with the heroic mount. Gryphons are clearly going to be new mounts for dragon riding. That doesn't stop the heroic mount from being an elemental. Again, refer back to the heroic mount from Dragonflight; The Tangled Dreamweaver isn't a dragonriding mount despite being a dragon.

Idk why you stretch so much.
It’s obvious that the gryphon is the heroic edition mount. Khaz Algar = dwarf place. Dwarves ride gryphons. New dragonriding animations for gryphons suggest we’re getting a gryphon dragonriding mount. Plus we already know they’re gonna enable dragonriding everywhere.
It makes perfect sense that the heroic edition mount would be a gryphon.

4. The denizens of Khaz Algar are not dwarves. They have the mannerisms and culture of dwarves, but they are something else physiologically.

From the Earthen wowpedia

The earthen (sometimes referred to as earthen dwarves[2] or early dwarves)

5. Finally (again) the reference to "storm rider" you are referring to are the dwarves themselves. The gryphons they ride are never called Stormriders. Interestingly, the term "Stormrider" may have come from those elementals in the storm peaks.

Yes they’ll totally name a mount after a random trash mob in storm peaks.

[Teriz]

Leaked information that you’re stretching so thin.
For some, Squally could be a pet related to NightSQUALL. And/or a baby gryphon pet to patch the heroic edition gryphon mount.

Squally could be an upside-down turtle laying in its own puke. It'd still be an elemental reference.

Just like when you said next expansion is going to involve Yrel invading because of thrall?
Or Undermine would be present during Dragonflight because of a robot dragon mount/pet?

Was Yrel possible this expansion? Certainly. Was Undermine possible for 10.0? Certainly. Undermine is possible now given that the evidence currently presented doesn't rule out an underground expansion. I go where the evidence takes me. The current evidence shows that we're dealing with an elemental expansion with some titan overtones.

It’d still be accurate in “following cataclysm” or whatever if it’s void/old god related.

The void is likely still going to be present, but it's highly doubtful we're looking at a void expansion here.

[Reive]

idk what the next expansion is going to be but i think blizzard cannt afford to have another "slow burn" expansion like dragonflight (1 year in and we're still waiting for the burn part even tho fyrakk might provide that). next expansion needs to have banger patch after banger patch

[ImTheMizAwesome]

what are the odds of getting some better leak/proof next week?

Maybe some new PTR stuff will have something.

I want to know how to get my hands on lo'gosh and sylvanas armor sets.

[Kiria]

i hope we get something to give a bit more context to what we know so far because it's kinda underwhelming right now lol

Yeah absolutely agreed, Blizz needs something that will gaige interest, this isnt it so far.

Maybe some new PTR stuff will have something.

I want to know how to get my hands on lo'gosh and sylvanas armor sets.

Yeah I need that Sylvanas armour in my collection.

[Nightshade711]

Squally could be an upside-down turtle laying in its own puke. It'd still be an elemental reference.

Next you’re going to say Nightsquall is actually an elemental and not a pirate because he has squall in the name.

Was Yrel possible this expansion? Certainly. Was Undermine possible for 10.0? Certainly. Undermine is possible now given that the evidence currently presented doesn't rule out an underground expansion. I go where the evidence takes me. The current evidence shows that we're dealing with an elemental expansion with some titan overtones.

It’s not possible if it’s not what blizzard is doing.

The void is likely still going to be present, but it's highly doubtful we're looking at a void expansion here.

We’ll see. It’s where all the legitimate evidence (like all of the hints in-game) is pointing.
DF is already heavily elemental & we’re even killing an elemental lord.
Next xpac being elemental would be like making the expansion after BC Legion themed. Or the xpac after Wotlk death themed.

[Teriz]

Idk why you stretch so much.
It’s obvious that the gryphon is the heroic edition mount. Khaz Algar = dwarf place. Dwarves ride gryphons. New dragonriding animations for gryphons suggest we’re getting a gryphon dragonriding mount. Plus we already know they’re gonna enable dragonriding everywhere.
It makes perfect sense that the heroic edition mount would be a gryphon.

Again, the heroic mount has almost nothing to do with the direct lore of an expansion. It only relates to the theme. Heck, the dragon offered as the heroic mount for Dragonflight isn't a dragonriding mount either.

From the Earthen wowpedia

Semantics. We don't consider Earthen to be dwarves just like we don't consider Mechagnomes like Mimiron to be the same as Gnomes like Mekkatorque.

Yes they’ll totally name a mount after a random trash mob in storm peaks.

Yes, they totally would. Again, it is entirely possible that Dwarves took the name "Stormrider" from those elementals, since they live around titan complexes full of Earthen on Northrend.

[Nightshade711]

Again, the heroic mount has almost nothing to do with the direct lore of an expansion. It only relates to the theme. Heck, the dragon offered as the heroic mount for Dragonflight isn't a dragonriding mount either.

Weird. I don’t recall WoD being an Arrakoa themed expansion. It has a Dread Raven mount for its heroic edition…

Almost as if those mounts tie in to a zone of the expansion typically. (DF mount -> Emerald Dream. SL -> Oribos. Etc etc)

Semantics. We don't considered Earthen to be dwarves just like we don't consider Mechagnomes like Mimiron to be the same as Gnomes like Mekkatorque.

You might not consider them dwarves but plenty of people will.
Especially if in Khaz Algar they act like dwarves & have the same culture. (We call Magni a dwarf still even though he’s a diamond boy now)

Yes, they totally would. Again, it is entirely possible that Dwarves took the name "Stormrider" from those elementals, since they live around titan complexes full of Earthen on Northrend

Or the easiest answer is that Dwarf gryphon riders are called Stormriders.

We call both the horde wyverns and their riders “wind riders” so it’s not far fetched that the same applies to dwarves.

[Sondrelk]

Possible. However again there's a high possibility that the heroic mount for the expansion is ALSO an elemental.

Why would it not be the datamined gryphon to go alongside the reference to the Dwarven Stormriders on Gryphons?

[Teriz]

Weird. I don’t recall WoD being an Arrakoa themed expansion. It has a Dread Raven mount for its heroic edition…

Almost as if those mounts tie in to a zone of the expansion typically. (DF mount -> Emerald Dream. SL -> Oribos. Etc etc)

You don't see how a mount based on a creature from AU Draenor isn't tied thematically to an expansion that takes place on AU Draenor?

You might not consider them dwarves but plenty of people will.
Especially if I’m Khaz Algar they act like dwarves & have the same culture.

Again, it would be like considering Mechagnomes such as Mimiron to be the same as Gnomes like Mekkatorque. We've never done that, we always say that they are separate races.

Or the easiest answer is that Dwarf gryphon riders are called Stormriders.

We call both the horde wyverns and their riders “windriders” so it’s not far fetched that the same applies to dwarves.

Again, we call the Dwarven riders Stormriders, not their Gryphons.

That said, it is entirely possible that the heroic mount is a gryphon, however, given that the other stuff in that list of datamined leaks was elemental based, it wouldn't be surprising at all if the heroic mount is an elemental.

[Makabreska]

Why would it not be the datamined gryphon to go alongside the reference to the Dwarven Stormriders on Gryphons?

Because it is Teriz we are talking about. When he decides about something, nothing will convince him otherwise.

[Teriz]

Why would it not be the datamined gryphon to go alongside the reference to the Dwarven Stormriders on Gryphons?

Because the Dwarven Riders are called Stormriders, not their beasts. Further, it is entirely possible that the name "Stormrider" comes from those elementals from the Storm Peaks.

Beyond that, Blizzard offering a crazy looking elemental mount makes more sense for a heroic mount than a gryphon, and it better ties into the elemental thematic of the expansion.

[Nightshade711]

You don't see how a mount based on a creature from AU Draenor isn't tied thematically to an expansion that takes place on AU Draenor?

You don’t see how a mount based on the denizens from the next expansion isn’t tied to the theme of next expansion?

Again, it would be like considering Mechagnomes such as Mimiron to be the same as Gnomes like Mekkatorque. We've never done that, we always say that they are separate races.

Even though he’s a separate race from a dwarf now, we still classify Magni as a dwarf because he still talks & acts (mostly) like a dwarf.
Same would apply to Khaz Algar dwarves.

If Mimiron and the other Mechagnomes acted like our Gnomes we’d just call them Gnomes.
Nobody argues that King Mechagon isn’t a Gnome even though he was fully a machine.

Again, we call the Dwarven riders Stormriders, not their Gryphons.

We don’t because it’s not in our dwarves culture. Khaz Algar could be different.

Or alternatively it’s just a cool name blizzard wanted to add to it because it fits. And it’s better than “Algarian Gryphon”

That said, it is entirely possible that the heroic mount is a gryphon, however, given that the other stuff in that list of datamined leaks was elemental based, it wouldn't be surprising at all if the heroic mount is an elemental.

With that said I can also say that the mount could be Ethereal or Void based due to the datamined leaks.
But I don’t because it’s obvious it’s a gryphon.