Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Myrrh]

Probably fake but still gladiator warrior sounds cool - they could name it shieldbearer.

I think just being able to use 1h weapon and a shield and not being a tank would be really cool.

Let them surf a short distance on their shield and I might suck it up and mainswap to warrior tbh

On the topic, the past few days have focused on lore speculation, but 11.0 will need to do something on the class and/or systems point to make an impact. Particularly after DF brought the talent system, a new class and an additional spec post-launch. I'm leaning towards new specs and/or some higher degree of redesigns to older ones, though I recall something being mentioned about not wanting to deviate too much from existing spec identities. At least one additional support spec is a decent chance; if they can't undo augvokers then they might as well dilute the pool a bit.

If we're looking at an elemental expansion, then a shaman spec could be a candidate, possibly to finally reduce some friction between the eternal concept of Enhance as a buff spec vs baller melee mage by splitting the two out.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

No need to rename Gladiator, that was already the spec's official name in WoD. But yeah, as a normal DPS spec it's hard to justify since its fantasy is essentially "Prot as a DPS", but by giving it the support role on top of being a sword and board DPS it can easily stand on its own alongside the other specs. I'd love to see it come back like that.

Oh yeah, name could stay the same but blizzard might just feel "we like to be original" whenever sometimes they "reinvent" something, but ye i think gladiator name should stay like it was.

When i play RPG's i pretty much create a warrior that it using 2h axes or sword and board with shouts or buffs, like in Skyrim for example.


Another thing i think priest with a bow would be an interesting spec, like tyrande in Hots or well in wow before her using a glaive.

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Let them surf a short distance on their shield and I might suck it up and mainswap to warrior tbh

On the topic, the past few days have focused on lore speculation, but 11.0 will need to do something on the class and/or systems point to make an impact. Particularly after DF brought the talent system, a new class and an additional spec post-launch. I'm leaning towards new specs and/or some higher degree of redesigns to older ones, though I recall something being mentioned about not wanting to deviate too much from existing spec identities. At least one additional support spec is a decent chance; if they can't undo augvokers then they might as well dilute the pool a bit.

Yeah, i think the revamp of talent system was cool but i was pretty much playing all the same, having some new unique spec combos would be really interesting.

I would probably turn all my other warriors to gladiator spec besides my orc arms main.

In GW2 they have something like elite specs and all classes were getting one in previous 2 expansions besides the newest one and i think blizzard has much more budget to being able to do something like that too and even bigger.

[lostsoup]

Yeah, sometimes I feel like people who make leaks here focus way too much on the expansion's story and not on the features that would make people actually buy it. If they do mention them, it's usually some random new races or whatever the community's talking about at that moment such as player housing.

I think bringing in new Shaman and Paladin support specs at the same time they make those classes available to all races sounds like a home run. Especially Paladin, since it'd probably be a holy caster DPS using blessings (which are missing from the current trees despite being so core to the class's fantasy) to buff people.

On that topic, the Shaman class tree is a bit suspicious with four class tree "starting points", one of which (Astral Shift) is unused, and Maelstrom Weapon in the class tree which only Enh ever uses. The Evoker tree looked a bit weird as well with an unused middle starting point focused on buffs and Black spells and it ended up being a sign of Augmentation, so...

[Ferlion]

I do admit, I am a little bit surprised everyone has forgot the potential expansion name datamine we got in June.

I thought for sure we would have a bunch of fake leaks using the title

[lostsoup]

I do admit, I am a little bit surprised everyone has forgot the potential expansion name datamine we got in June.

I thought for sure we would have a bunch of fake leaks using the title

what was it? shadow of azeroth?

[Ferlion]

Yeah. thats it.

[lostsoup]

I doubt they'd use that as an expansion name, since it doesn't give any idea of what the expansion could be about off the bat unlike, say, "Wrath of the Lich King" (a new player can figure out it's about this Lich King character) or "Dragonflight" (it's about dragons...). Some people would probably even get it confused with Battle for Azeroth.

[Myrrh]

I do admit, I am a little bit surprised everyone has forgot the potential expansion name datamine we got in June.

I thought for sure we would have a bunch of fake leaks using the title

I don't really think that qualified as a genuine name candidate beyond a few youtubers picking it up and running with it for views, if it's the one I'm thinking of.

[Santandame]

Do we know of a landmass that should be in that glaring gap between Pandaria and Eastern Kingdoms? I don't think Khaz Algar belongs there since it needs to be a "great distance" from Uldaman, but something else might.

Likely locations for this spot on the map would be South Seas islands such as Hiji, Plunder Isle etc.

[Kiria]

Wait, I know its probably stopped being talked about now as 10 pages overnight is insane but Thrall being on the keyart is not indicative of elemental theme because wasnt he abandoned by the elements after what he did to Garrosh ?

Thrall is just a mere Warrior now iirc and as far as I am aware.

[Lady Atia]

Wait, I know its probably stopped being talked about now as 10 pages overnight is insane but Thrall being on the keyart is not indicative of elemental theme because wasnt he abandoned by the elements after what he did to Garrosh ?

Thrall is just a mere Warrior now iirc and as far as I am aware.

Na, he already used his powers during Shadowlands again.

[Kiria]

Na, he already used his powers during Shadowlands again.

I must have missed that, thank you.

[DiscipleofCazicThule]

Wouldn't be leak season without the usual suspect making massive reaches and refusing to admit any concessions. Literally happens every expansion year.

Did the leak with the new support specs come out after the Algar Stormrider leak? I'm always apprehensive about a new leak coming out right after something legit leaks. It tries to use new information to give itself legitimacy, but I feel like it does the opposite. That said, I'd love to see the Gladiator spec return...as long as it has a talent that's called "Are you not entertained?!"

[Santandame]

If Bermuda Triangle leak is genuine then I hope the Gladiator spec Warriors have a cool-down named ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!? which rallies the group.

[Raetary]

I must have missed that, thank you.

The elements called out to him when Sylvanas burned the tree, as per Shadows Rising.
And then he calls them down in the Maw.

It's more than implied that the elements never cut him off, but that he cut them off due to guilty conscience.

We don't know how much influence he has over his powers yet, even in SL he called down the elements once and then went back to his axe.

[Nymrohd]

The elements called out to him when Sylvanas burned the tree, as per Shadows Rising.
And then he calls them down in the Maw.

It's more than implied that the elements never cut him off, but that he cut them off due to guilty conscious.

We don't know how much influence he has over his powers yet, even in SL he called down the elements once and then went back to his axe.

I think he needs to get back to World Shaman (and then Kaldorei can get Malf back). I just hope it doesn't involve Aggra screeching "Go'el" in my ears for 15 minutes of questing.

[Myrrh]

Wouldn't be leak season without the usual suspect making massive reaches and refusing to admit any concessions. Literally happens every expansion year.

Did the leak with the new support specs come out after the Algar Stormrider leak? I'm always apprehensive about a new leak coming out right after something legit leaks. It tries to use new information to give itself legitimacy, but I feel like it does the opposite. That said, I'd love to see the Gladiator spec return...as long as it has a talent that's called "Are you not entertained?!"

Yes it is more recent. Interestingly they chose The Great Algarian Argument as their timing of choice to post, yet didn't explicitly mention anything to do with the known achievements (other than by assumed extension via Avaloren).

Doesn't necessarily give it any more credibility, but I like the cut of their jib. Nothing they proposed comes across as overly ambitious; if anything, I like that they didn't try to add hype talk you might instead find in the official description.

[Santandame]

Wouldn't be leak season without the usual suspect making massive reaches and refusing to admit any concessions. Literally happens every expansion year.

Did the leak with the new support specs come out after the Algar Stormrider leak? I'm always apprehensive about a new leak coming out right after something legit leaks. It tries to use new information to give itself legitimacy, but I feel like it does the opposite. That said, I'd love to see the Gladiator spec return...as long as it has a talent that's called "Are you not entertained?!"

Oh jinx. /10chars

[Eldryth]

This:



Bolded doesn't really make any sense imo. The new DK intro is specifically dissociated from any specific plot such that any race can be slotted into it because they're just freshly raised heroes sent out to defend Azeroth from "a time of great destruction [lying] on the horizon". Plenty of Dracthyr have died, both Sundered Flame and friendly, there's nothing stopping them from being raised and put in that new intro.

The new intro still has to be pre-Shadowlands since it relies on Bolvar still being the Lich King. It'd work for future races that were already around but not playable, but all Dracthyr were still sealed away when the fourth generation was made. They'd need to have yet another new intro for it to make sense. Plus, while it makes sense for the Ebon Blade to want to raise them to help contain the Scourge after Shadowlands, I'm not actually sure if they even can still make full-fledged Death Knights without the Helm of Domination. Every notable Death Knight, including the players, was created directly by the Lich King.

[lostsoup]

Yes it is more recent. Interestingly they chose The Great Algarian Argument as their timing of choice to post, yet didn't explicitly mention anything to do with the known achievements (other than by assumed extension via Avaloren).

Doesn't necessarily give it any more credibility, but I like the cut of their jib. Nothing they proposed comes across as overly ambitious; if anything, I like that they didn't try to add hype talk you might instead find in the official description.

I like it because it isn't an overly wordy and grandiose description of the expansion's storyline with its own thread, just a reasonable sounding set of features. New support specs being Bard and Gladiator with those exact names seems a bit fanservicey, but player housing being exclusive to Avaloren and having limited furniture options that are tied to professions sounds like the exact kind of awkward limitations Blizzard would come up with.

Kind of iffy on the expansion's name being "World Soul", but it's better than "Shadow of Azeroth"...