Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Dismayxz]

We weren't in the Shadowlands for "long" tho. We were quite literally there to aid the covenants and stop the Jailer from remaking reality.

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In Shadowlands terms, the events didn't last long at all.

We also didn't exactly exhaust the idea of the Shadowlands that was written, as much as I hate to say it. We didn't exactly answer every question brought up to us while there and we saw like 4 domains of the afterlife + the Maw and some distant mysterious shit brought into it (Korthia). Then Zereth Mortis, which was a supposedly a BIG thing in lifting the veil of mystery, but it threw open as many questions as we got answers and at a time where people were already so over Shadowlands. Come to think of it, while we saw MORE and DEEPER than what we were used to seeing of these mysteries of the Universe, we didn't exactly do much in the way of throwing every door open and checking under every carpet.

Edit: And one of it's villains is still MIA in his little Sword-carried-away-by-dreadlord private jet.

[Ferlion]

I do think that Shadowlands would have been better received had we got afterlives. Even if just small scenario type events, we should have seen themed afterlives that were non-critical.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Sure, but those things also were meant to kinda tease players into future ordeals. For example, the Halls of Valor teased us into Bastion (Which is the zone that inspired Odyn into making the Halls of Valor to begin with), while Hellheim teased us into the Maw (Which is actual Hell in WoW).

Yeah and you see "tease" is the right word for that kind of stuff, at least to me.

These somewhat very "big" and mysterious themes should just be more like teases in some direction where we put our hands on some questlines here and then.

While we didn't excatly saw everything about shadowlands/afterlives, the way they made the expansion, made me personally very exhausted of it and created a feeling of exploitation to the last bone.

Opinions will vary, i think in the future this kind of stuff should just be related to some questlines and maybe a expansion ending major zone.

[Woggmer]

We also didn't exactly exhaust the idea of the Shadowlands that was written, as much as I hate to say it. We didn't exactly answer every question brought up to us while there and we saw like 4 domains of the afterlife + the Maw and some distant mysterious shit brought into it (Korthia). Then Zereth Mortis, which was a supposedly a BIG thing in lifting the veil of mystery, but it threw open as many questions as we got answers and at a time where people were already so over Shadowlands. Come to think of it, while we saw MORE and DEEPER than what we were used to seeing of these mysteries of the Universe, we didn't exactly do much in the way of throwing every door open and checking under every carpet.

Edit: And one of it's villains is still MIA in his little Sword-carried-away-by-dreadlord private jet.

There's a little more to it than that.

Not only is Denathrius coming back along with his Dreadlords, but the fact that the Life Realms are confirmed also confirms that someone close to Elune is a Nathrezim agent.

There's one other enemy that we never fully dealt with in Shadowlands, an enemy that can exist in both Death and Nature: The Drust. We were going to deal with them in the Shadowlands in a raid, but it was cut during the whole lawsuit stuff... so if they do Life Lands, there is a good chance the Drust will make a return and we'd have to deal with them again.

[vintage79]

[Myrrh]

We also didn't exactly exhaust the idea of the Shadowlands that was written, as much as I hate to say it. We didn't exactly answer every question brought up to us while there and we saw like 4 domains of the afterlife + the Maw and some distant mysterious shit brought into it (Korthia). Then Zereth Mortis, which was a supposedly a BIG thing in lifting the veil of mystery, but it threw open as many questions as we got answers and at a time where people were already so over Shadowlands. Come to think of it, while we saw MORE and DEEPER than what we were used to seeing of these mysteries of the Universe, we didn't exactly do much in the way of throwing every door open and checking under every carpet.

Edit: And one of it's villains is still MIA in his little Sword-carried-away-by-dreadlord private jet.

I'm not sure we answered any questions at all there. As someone not violently opposed to the cosmic stuff that was my biggest gripe. They set up a heap of potentially cool questions then were like 'ok we're done here lol' and left all the questions unanswered. That and everyone is a robot, suddenly.

[Thomir]

This looks like a classic map. It'd be cool if they revamped the world map into a 3D globe that you could spin around ... cool on paper.

[ChairmanKaga]

With Metzen back in creative reigns, we will never be going to spend an entire expansion in horrendously stupid shit like the Life Lands ever again. If you luck out, maybe, maaaybe a raid or throwaway dungeon.

The fact that we have people actually asking for this speaks to just how stupid most of the WoW fanbase even is.

If they did something remotely as interesting in WoW as Planescape I wouldn't mind the cosmic planar stuff but Shadowlands really killed any potential enthusiasm.

[Pheraz]

Just a reminder that the eternal ones are robots.
And if sister means really sister then elune is a robot too. Unimaginable what stupid ideas flew into SLs arcs.

Those new book hints are very interesting though. Maybe they find a way out of this SL chaos with new good stories

[Thomir]

So who ripped Xal'atath from her impact crater? The Titans seem unlikely, since they realised how damaging it was for Azeroth when they ripped Y'Shaarj from the planet. Maybe the other Old Gods did it?

[Viridiel]

Uhhhhhhhhhhh

that sounds a lot like....


Thus, Aman'Thul, the Highfather himself, reached down through Azeroth's skies and heaved the Old God from the surface of the world. At that moment, the massive bulk of the Old One was ripped apart, and its death rattle caused entire mountains to shatter and hundreds of titan-forged to be instantly obliterated where they stood.[8]

Aman'Thul had inadvertently ripped open a wound in Azeroth's surface, and the world-soul's arcane lifeblood flowed to the surface. It was then that the Pantheon realized that the Old Gods had entrenched themselves too deep to excise without destroying Azeroth itself, and instead they resolved to imprison the remaining three Old Gods rather than killing them outright.

I did have a tinfoil hat moment reading it that maybe the Well of Eternity is being retconned again and it's actually the crater of Elun'Ahir, and Y'Shaarj is actually Xal'atath. The "mysterious guardians" are the Night Elves. It would explain a million different things about the Well of Eternity, Elune, and life on Azeroth, I'm just not sure a second retelling of the truth of the Well would be accepted by players.

[Nymrohd]

Yeah. The gist is "Eonar planted a world tree somewhere, Aman'thul didn't approve, called it chaotic, tore it out. It still lived on but grew in a strange way." We don't know if they held council meetings, had sit downs, or anything.

I think the implication is that it grew underground, which would lead to some kind of Hollow Earth thing.

This, very much so. A solid way to explain having a massive Hollow Earth forest zone.

[Thomir]

Isn't it weird how generic Zereth Mortis looks? Nothing about it looks deathly. If we go to the other Zereths, heaven forbid, they better look distinct.

[Ferlion]

Just a reminder that the eternal ones are robots.
And if sister means really sister then elune is a robot too. Unimaginable what stupid ideas flew into SLs arcs.

Those new book hints are very interesting though. Maybe they find a way out of this SL chaos with new good stories

No.

The Eternal Ones being robots is extremely oversimplified . This is a stupid meme.

The Eternal Ones are souls placed into artificial vessels. In the realm of death.

The Titans are planets. But we don't call them Elementals, despite, you know, them being made of metal and stone and planets.

What is true in one realm isn't true in all

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I didn't read every page because there were so many since yesterday, but i guess general consensus now is that we're going somewhere through the dangerous sea and storms which noone was able to ship through?

[Lahis]

Everything points to it being west of Kalimdor.

Blizzard adds it next to EK just to be petty.

[Well Done Steak]

So if the Titans come back next exp then that means illidan to. Wonder what they have planned

[Pyrophax]

Dall-E surely helps visualise that
Saw at X that that crater from WT can be where we have Ungoro now. Its Ungoro CRATER after all. That explains dwarven (titan) ruin of Bael Modan there. Its just an entrance to Cave of Elun'Ahir and there is lost dwarven settlement of Khaz'Algar. That would be some mindblowing discovery!

[lostsoup]

I didn't read every page because there were so many since yesterday, but i guess general consensus now is that we're going somewhere through the dangerous sea and storms which noone was able to ship through?

It's looking like the Bermuda leak is real

[Holdodlig]

It's looking like the Bermuda leak is real

What is the bermuda leak