Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ashana Darkmoon]

With shadowpriest changes confirmed for 10.1 which class do you think is also on the list to receive bigger changes?

For me personally its boomie that still needs a lot of work. Too much ramp up time, to reliant on mastery/dots and tier set, to little single target damage, maybe the worst keystone talents of all classes. Also stellar flare may be the most unfun button to press in the game.

Also i hope for fire mage changes to make living bomb usable again. I just miss this spell being fun (or good).

Moonkin was the best ranged spec the entire tier lol

Not saying there aren't some design issues but effectiveness is bonkers.

[Luck4]

I'm loving all the lore surrounding Neltharion. I thought they would go full into the new Incarnate/Primalist stuff, but they're adding more context to Deathwing which felt shallow back in Cataclysm, so in a way, Dragonflight is fixing Cataclysm for me, and I'm really glad for that.

I don't know if this is gonna happen, but I wish we could see him ingame before being corrupted as a dragon. I mean, this is something I was hoping to see ever since the Well of Eternity raid/dungeon was announced, but sadly they decided to use his Deathwing model. =/



The lore is finally getting interesting again, last time I was interested was in Legion.

Btw, now that Vortex Pinnacle (Cata DG) is happening can we please get Grim Batol?!

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Side note: Any World Revamp hints in 10.1? Asking for a friend.

[Villager720]

I can’t understate how wildly different 10.1 feels to Korthia.

It contains more new armor sets models from outdoor content than 9.1 brought in the raid.
Wild.

[BaumanKing]

https://twitter.com/stiven_srb/statu...xvHZHFljvN8ivg

HD dwarf guard

This looks so cool. HD, but the aesthetic is still the same. I hope deathguards and sentinels will be next. Maybe even bluffwatchers. Damn, the trading post opened up so many possibilities, I love it.

[Luck4]

I would honestly be shocked if they don't announce a revamp at BlizzCon. It doesn't even have to be the theme of the next expansion. It can simply be a nice extra thing for the 20th anniversary next year. A love letter to Azeroth, and us.

Me too, but I'm having this feeling since the BFA announcement back in 2017, so...

Also, the models added back in Legion and BFA are starting to age "if" they were created with a "behind the scenes" revamp in mind since the scope for a revamp is so huge that makes it feel almost like a parallel/side project.

Yet, now more than ever the revamp is needed, may it be for gameplay reasons, graphics, lore progression, world-building, housing, cohesiveness, name it, as Tom Chilton said in a Cataclysm interview back in 2010:

"our inspiration is mostly driven by gameplay needs, at least in this case. In this case, what we felt like was after five years of having worked on the game and having the quality of the content go up over time because not only are our designers more experienced than we were before we launched World of Warcraft but also our tools have gotten better, our technology has gotten better, so we can do more new and compelling content that we couldn't do in the past." ... "We felt like it was important for both the long-term longevity of the game, the long-term health of the game, and I say this for players that have been playing the game for a very long time and new players that are coming into the game that were experiencing content that was below the quality level of what we felt today. So we felt it was a really important time to go back and refresh the old world and update it to our current quality standards."

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...lysm-Interview
https://web.archive.org/web/20220314...i/791,dok.html

[AOL Instant Messenger]

This looks so cool. HD, but the aesthetic is still the same. I hope deathguards and sentinels will be next. Maybe even bluffwatchers. Damn, the trading post opened up so many possibilities, I love it.

Indeed. It's a very good upgrade, but generally is the same thing we know and love.

[ExiHext]

Lol @ that roll of old dragon. Definitely not ready yet. Also, wake me up when I can do a roll on Mimiron's Head.

Don't care about DR before I cannot do it on my paladin class hall charger.

[Super Dickmann]

Dramatically, at least one of them needs to be alive so Iridikron can betray them.

Honestly for all my complaints, Blizzard has slowly been building some long term villains. BfA left us Azshara. SL left us Denathrius. Having one of the Primals survive would not be a bad idea. They need a supporting cast that can do b-plots to fill in the zones. E.g. how many zones historically have had some naga invading on a random corner? Remove Azshara and you don't get that (or you are forced to take up story space to introduce new leadership). If Fyrakk survives this we can have random dragon mobs showing up in any future zone and when asked we can say Fyrakk did it. My hope was that they'd have used Sarkareth+Chromatus to give us a chromatic Dragonflight as a long term villain but Fyrakk can work (Iridikron probably is going to die and open the story for the next expac, Vyranoth is more likely to get betrayed/redeemed because she seems more rational plus she is female).

I take it as pretty much given that Vyranoth will change sides or be eaten. Her being a woman gives her cover in as much as we already killed the other woman in the trio and the others are a dice throw. Fyrakk isn't dying this patch, but the Shadowflame aesthetic may end up ending up with him being corrupted and sticking with Iridikron. Alternatively, he can get eaten. I don't really see him making it out of this expansion any more than Iridikron, which is a shame since we've been woefully short a classic giant fire dragon running around doing chaos. It also keeps a more straightforward recurring threat source compared to baddies like the Knaifu, Azshara or Denny D, which are all schemers of some description.

Imagine if we had not killed Illidan, Vashj, Kael, Arthas in the first couple of expansions but got to keep them around so they could be involved in future plots, how much more interesting the story could have been.

If only, if anything the Scourge was by far the best handled because in every one of its focus expansions and bits it has always remained as an organisation afterwards.

@Le Conceptuel

When it comes to a council fight, my go-to would actually be facing them in humanoid forms as a group in some side dungeon or something of the like, making the objective something other than a straight win. Let them show off those kits and how they work as an ensemble mechanically, before they inevitably get separated by Iridikron betraying them. Given his buff both Fyrakk and Iridikron look likely to have their own separate fights, but Vyranoth might get out of it.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

To me, that HD dwarf armor looks more awesome than most DF sets so far, i love classic looks so much.

Toned down colors, normal looking armor and not glowing christmas tree, like some of 10-10.1 sets looks like, very bright and with 10 different colors on one.

[Nymrohd]

I take it as pretty much given that Vyranoth will change sides or be eaten. Her being a woman gives her cover in as much as we already killed the other woman in the trio and the others are a dice throw. Fyrakk isn't dying this patch, but the Shadowflame aesthetic may end up ending up with him being corrupted and sticking with Iridikron. Alternatively, he can get eaten. I don't really see him making it out of this expansion any more than Iridikron, which is a shame since we've been woefully short a classic giant fire dragon running around doing chaos. It also keeps a more straightforward recurring threat source compared to baddies like the Knaifu, Azshara or Denny D, which are all schemers of some description.

Part of me hopes they do what ESO does; have Fyrakk go down against the player plus the black dragons at the end of the 10.1 story.

[Super Dickmann]

Part of me hopes they do what ESO does; have Fyrakk go down against the player plus the black dragons at the end of the 10.1 story.

I'd leave him for the follow-up so he isn't immediately taken down after his W as that pretty much puts us at Square 1 minus one Incarnate relative to the 10.0 setup.

[Auxis]

I'd leave him for the follow-up so he isn't immediately taken down after his W as that pretty much puts us at Square 1 minus one Incarnate relative to the 10.0 setup.

I'm thinking that Vyranoth may survive. Much of Alexstrasza's and the Red Flight's turmoil this expac has been about how all life matters - why do they get to dictate what lives and dies by just killing things that don't agree with the Flights/Alliance/Horde. If Vyranoth becomes amicable to it, I could see the Aspects letting her represent the Primalist's at Valdrakken - giving the Primalist dragons a voice in this newly established accord. Alex' once said they were as close as clutch mates, I'm sure many other dragons amongst the Flights share that sentiment with dragons amongst the Primalists.

[Makorus]

I'd leave him for the follow-up so he isn't immediately taken down after his W as that pretty much puts us at Square 1 minus one Incarnate relative to the 10.0 setup.

The last chapter of the 10.1 campaign is called "A Flame, Extinguished", so take that as you will.

Obviously, that would make it weird in regards to the Assaults.

[Super Dickmann]

@Auxis

Yeah, this is fairly likely.

@Makorus

That feels fairly straightforward. Would be a shame to build him up, make him the feature of a patch and buff him up, then bump him off that quickly in a quest of all things, but not unsurprising given Blizzard's track record.

[Zulggun]

I mean Horde and Alliance are at peace yet the Zandalar/Kultiras assaults still continue. Maybe they will just remove Fyrak's flyovers after he's ded.

[Makorus]

I mean Horde and Alliance are at peace yet the Zandalar/Kultiras assaults still continue. Maybe they will just remove Fyrak's flyovers after he's ded.

Sure, but the peace happened after that patch.

Introducing a mechanic featuring one of the baddies just to kill the baddie in the same patch not even in the raid is weird.

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@Auxis

Yeah, this is fairly likely.

@Makorus

That feels fairly straightforward. Would be a shame to build him up, make him the feature of a patch and buff him up, then bump him off that quickly in a quest of all things, but not unsurprising given Blizzard's track record.

Blizzard put themselves in a weird spot by designing all the dragons the same way.

Having Fyrak as a final boss for Aberrus would be shit because it's just Raszageth but red. Having a council fight would be "Oh, it's just two Raszageth".

[Super Dickmann]

Sure, but the peace happened after that patch.

Introducing a mechanic featuring one of the baddies just to kill the baddie in the same patch not even in the raid is weird.

Blizzard put themselves in a weird spot by designing all the dragons the same way.

Having Fyrak as a final boss for Aberrus would be shit because it's just Raszageth but red. Having a council fight would be "Oh, it's just two Raszageth".

In general, they could've saved themselves this problem by pushing him a patch further off. Mechanically, they don't really need to align and you can have him pivot between humanoid and dragon forms. Ditto I don't see it likely to be a problem when we eventually bump Iridikron off because he'll likely have a million tentacles or whatever and be themed differently from the rest. A council fight as a non-end boss is the other way of course. The main issue of it is that if the premise is him heading down to empower himself, he does so, he goes around torching stuff ineffectually and then we kill him in a quest, where Raszageth, who wasn't empowered, took a raid, it leaves the baddies having spent the patch going backwards in terms of threat.

Mind, there is the chance that the Flame being extinguished refers to the Sundered Flame, who we know are being bumped off this patch.

[Makorus]

I have to say, looking at the Sarkareth fight, I absolute adore fights that are "This boss is using abilites that the Player Class has". Same with Nazgrim and Tyrant Velhari in HFC.

All the abilities he is using are Evoker abilities, but they slowly and slowly get more and more of a cosmic touch as he goes more Void-corrupted. I really can't wait for the visuals.

[micwini]

https://twitter.com/stiven_srb/statu...xvHZHFljvN8ivg

HD dwarf guard

The revamp looms ever closer.

[Fahrad Wagner]

The revamp looms ever closer.

*Revampday Clock moves one second closer to midnight*