Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Triceron]

People haven't just blocked Teriz yet?

People come for the WoW news, they stay for the drama. It's curious seeing how deep he digs the hole for himself.

[flan1337]

Because the Titans we know are associated with Order & Elune is associated with life. They appear to be similar creatures but with different goals. Hearthstone straight up calls the Primus a titan even though he is in the Pantheon of Death.

Ah that makes sense. Looking at the chart does this mean we have yet to see a Light Pantheon?

[Triceron]

BC would also be cosmic by that definition.
Would that also make DF a cosmic expansion with the emerald dream zone & raid?

Emerald Dream exists in a different plane of existence. Cosmos pertains specifically to the Great Dark Beyond, and its astral counterpart, the Twisting Nether; which is an extension the same plane of existence as Azeroth.

So things like Elemental planes, Shadowlands, Emerald Dream are all like different dimensions or realms, while cosmic expansion would pertain to exploring physical worlds that exist on the same plane of existence outside of Azeroth; places like Argus or Draenor or K'aresh.

[Lahis]

Moon Dwarves can only mean Dwarf Druids, which I've been dreaming of for like a decade.

I would wish Druids for all would be a thing _durign goddamn Emerald Dream patch_ but I'm not holding out my breath unfortunately.

[Triceron]

The Cosmos is actually more than just the Physical Universe, as it also pertains to the Cosmic Forces and their domains.

But I'm not talking about the Cosmic Forces or the Cosmology.

I'm talking about what people consider to be a Cosmic expansion.


Like if I were to ask you if you consider Cataclysm to be a Cosmic expansion because we visited various Elemental planes, what would you say?

[Alanar]

I certainly am reading a bit more into Tyrs character. But I think very justifiably, given all the foreshadowing with his experiments on Proto-dragons to uncertain ends and such.

I don't get why you think Odyn was not all that well liked. He left Ulduar, but that seemed more on his ego than anything. The only outcast Titan Keeper seemed to be Loken, and that was precisely because of his belief in not tampering with mortal races for nebulous Titan Keeper reasons.

The issue with having Tyr be friendly is that it doesnt serve the story in any way to build it up this much, and not have anything happen once we revive him. We could have revived him at the beginning and have him take the place of Koranos, and that could work. Or we could need him to open some Titan lock somewhere to save the world.
Currently though there is no such reason to revive him, which means that narratively his revival needs to be an impetus in itself. And the only way you do that is if he does something surprising once he does wake up.
All the Dragon aspects wanted to revive him, but noone had a particular reason. In fact, most of the Aspects' storylines seem to move in the direction away from the Titan Keepers. Nozdormu questions the purpose of sticking to the timeline so rigidly. Alexstrasza agrees that the Titan Keeper experiments on Vyranoths eggs were monstrous. Just now we got the books that hint towards the Titans not being fully onboard with Life in general, and the Emerald Dream might very well just be their curated corner of Lifes domain, taken for nebulous reasons. They certainly didnt seem happy that Eonar was fraternizing with Elune.

I think the whole idea of the reveal with Varanoth to Odyn and how Alex will probably view dragonkind without order magic could be solid argument on why Tyr would turn on us here or how he view things differently. Its also interesting that we left Odyn in 1.2 on a semi hostile note. Just wondering.. did we see any ravens on the dragon isle? And does Odyn know we are busy reviving hes friend?

I am interested how this will play out ngl.

[KayRule]

When people say they're sick of awful cosmic expansions they're not explicitly meaning "space". The vast majority of players are tired of leaving Azeroth, and so far all 3 expansions set off Azeroth happen to be the worst 3 expansions and each one keeps getting worse and worse.

[Ersula]

When people say they're sick of awful cosmic expansions they're not explicitly meaning "space". The vast majority of players are tired of leaving Azeroth, and so far all 3 expansions set off Azeroth happen to be the worst 3 expansions and each one keeps getting worse and worse.

As someone who loves Spelljammer. I am sick to death of Azeroth. So much interesting stuff in the warcraft franchise comes from stuff completely unrelated to Azeroth.

Emerald Dream exists in a different plane of existence. Cosmos pertains specifically to the Great Dark Beyond, and its astral counterpart, the Twisting Nether.

The whole map is called the "Cosmology" chart. That includes all alternate plains of existence. But in a more general sense "Cosmic" refers to science fiction, alien planets & religions as it relates to a fantasy setting.

So you consider the Elemental planes. Emerald Dream and Shadowlands all to be Cosmic related?

It really depends in what context you're using the word cosmic. It does cause some confusion when a developer at one point used "cosmic" to refer to mists of pandaria.

[flan1337]

When people say they're sick of awful cosmic expansions they're not explicitly meaning "space". The vast majority of players are tired of leaving Azeroth, and so far all 3 expansions set off Azeroth happen to be the worst 3 expansions and each one keeps getting worse and worse.

I just don't like complex cosmic stuff. While its cool as a background if you want to know more type of lore. For main story it just so hard to keep up and to get excited about. To by honest now that everything is pointing to cosmic for the next xpack I feel less excited but lets see. Next week should hopefully trickle in more blizzcon news

[Lahis]

Just a reminder that the eternal ones are robots.
And if sister means really sister then elune is a robot too. Unimaginable what stupid ideas flew into SLs arcs.

Those new book hints are very interesting though. Maybe they find a way out of this SL chaos with new good stories

They're robots with souls though. We can hope Winter Queen's soul was from Lifelands and that she had a proper body like Elune.

[Triceron]

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It really depends in what context you're using the word cosmic. It does cause some confusion when a developer at one point used "cosmic" to refer to mists of pandaria.

I wasn't even aware that was a thing. Do you happen to know a source to it, or at least which developer said that about what? Was it about TImeless Isles or something?

[KayRule]

Noticed something odd on the Rumble event.

It notses "*Not available in Classic or Era titles." instead of just Classic Realms. What the fuck is an Era title?

Like Taylor Swift???????

[Triceron]

I would say no, cause the Elemental Planes are "Titan-made" and are pocket realms linked to Azeroth.

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It's the same way I don't consider DF to be Cosmic, despite its Cosmic connections.

That's sort of my point. The Cosmology chart isn't specific to who created what, if you're just talking about the Cosmic Forces and what the chart relates to. It doesn't make much difference who created the Emerald Dream if we're talking about the Emerald Dream being a Cosmic Realm (or not).

The context of 'Cosmic expansion' tends to refer to space exploration within the same plane of existence of Azeroth, rather than different planes of existence in the greater Cosmology chart (regardless of who made what realm).

[Cheezits]

Noticed something odd on the Rumble event.

It notses "*Not available in Classic or Era titles." instead of just Classic Realms. What the fuck is an Era title?

Like Taylor Swift???????

Yes. The Eras tour is coming to the Darkmoon Faire.

[huth]

Classic Era means something like "TBC Classic" or "Wrath Classic". They're all eras of Classic WoW.

Pretty sure Era means stuff like Season of Mastery or Hardcore. TBC Classic and WotLK Classic are already covered by Classic.

[lostsoup]

Noticed something odd on the Rumble event.

It notses "*Not available in Classic or Era titles." instead of just Classic Realms. What the fuck is an Era title?

Like Taylor Swift???????

Era is a server permanently on one of the old versions of the game. Currently we just have Classic Era which is where Hardcore is.

[NikolaiShade]

They're robots with souls though. We can hope Winter Queen's soul was from Lifelands and that she had a proper body like Elune.

I know I'm strange but imho the term "robots" is a little misused here. The Winter Queen (assuming she is a akin in origins to the Jailer) is a being created by the First Ones, now if they are created from flesh or metal I don't see that much of a difference honestly. One could argue about the origins of Elune and the Winter Queen, if they are "sisters" as being related in "birth" or if they are "sisters" in a metaphorical/metaphysical sense, one being of Death and the other of Life, so "sisters" in the cycle of mortal existence

[Lahis]

Noticed something odd on the Rumble event.

It notses "*Not available in Classic or Era titles." instead of just Classic Realms. What the fuck is an Era title?

Like Taylor Swift???????

Wrath of the Lich King and World of Warcraft Hardcore (and I suppose Era too). There are three different kinds of Classic.

[Marlamin]

Pretty sure Era means stuff like Season of Mastery or Hardcore. TBC Classic and WotLK Classic are already covered by Classic.

Yep. Classic Era is 1.x and Classic is 3.x.

[huth]

I would say no, cause the Elemental Planes are "Titan-made" and are pocket realms linked to Azeroth.

Which are a cosmic force (Order). So the whole "Cosmic" label is completely arbitrary and meaningless.