Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ersula]

Allied races aren't the same situation as this. For example, I pre-ordered Dragonflight and I didn't have access to the Dracthyr for several months afterwards. People expect to wait for new races. Mounts however are something they get access to instantly. And yeah if you skipped dragon flight, you won't be able to fly in the dragon isles. However, your standard mount can be flown everywhere else. That's kind of my point; One reward requires a great deal of questing in DF, they other does not (thus opening a wider pool of potential buyers).

If you skipped dragonflight, or quit mid-expansion, a dragonriding mount probably isn't going to appeal to you. In fact, it might turn you off completely, and that's the OPPOSITE of the goal of a heroic expansion pre-order mount.

Your argument is that a mount you can't use in the current content is somehow more appealing than a mount you can? You keep using the example of a new player who never played dragonflight as your example because that's the only possible scenario where their first priority is chrome time with a pre-order mount. You know the majority of people pre-ordering will be going for Dragon Isles content.

(Stop saying it takes a while to level up dragonriding. It takes 20 minutes max to get every glyph. The pathfinder achivement by comparison takes weeks.)

[Calfredd]

I believe this is unfortunately another case of posters on this forum latching heavily onto an item with little evidence to support their assertions.

Irony, thy name is Teriz.

[Teriz]

Your argument is that a mount you can't use in the current content is somehow more appealing than a mount you can?

Again, by the time this mount is available you can use it to fly in the Dragon Isles.

You keep using the example of a new player who never played dragonflight as your example because that's the only possible scenario where their first priority is chrome time with a pre-order mount. You know the majority of people pre-ordering will be going for Dragon Isles content.

Well there are also players who may have quit during DF and don’t have much desire to level through the content. For them a mount they can only fully use in DF content probably won’t be appealing to them.

(Stop saying it takes a while to level up dragonriding. It takes 20 minutes max to get every glyph. The pathfinder achivement by comparison takes weeks.)

Actually 30 minutes to an hour if you know where the glyphs are;

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/dragon...g%20experience.

[Marlamin]

Actually 30 minutes to an hour if you know where the glyphs are;

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/dragon...g%20experience.

No shot the argument has come down to a up to 40 minute difference. I don't think this is going to go anywhere, you two.

[Xilurm]

Doing the EK cup has made me realize how tiny all the vanilla zones are. Are there going to be more cups? I seem to remember there was a Northrend one that was datamined? Would be cool as hell if there was an Outland one though.

Also, why exactly aren't they allowing people to just use dragonriding in the old zones? It seems to be perfectly possible considering a lot of zones have these races now.

[huth]

The website isn't coming back regardless of what bet I take unless I find a cache of money and time to continue maintaining a service like that.

Unless my scanner is wonky, i removed all of those, so fat chance. Well, except for that one on the other side of the origin point, but you're not getting there with your chemical rockets in any reasonable timeframe and it has a few seconds at most.

[Marlamin]

Doing the EK cup has made me realize how tiny all the vanilla zones are. Are there going to be more cups? I seem to remember there was a Northrend one that was datamined? Would be cool as hell if there was an Outland one though.

Also, why exactly aren't they allowing people to just use dragonriding in the old zones? It seems to be perfectly possible considering a lot of zones have these races now.

Outland racing is up next, Northrend racing is in the works/almost done (might just need hotfixes). Cup icons for all the other major continents also exist, so might honestly be addable through 100% hotfixes all the way through Shadowlands.

Unless my scanner is wonky, i removed all of those, so fat chance. Well, except for that one on the other side of the origin point, but you're not getting there with your chemical rockets in any reasonable timeframe and it has a few seconds at most.

Kakapo are shit at flying anyways.

[Nibelheimy]

Imagine making the Dragonflight pre-order mount a dragon you can't even dragon ride on. Could of easily been added as a Highland drake full transformation.

[Ersula]

Also, why exactly aren't they allowing people to just use dragonriding in the old zones? It seems to be perfectly possible considering a lot of zones have these races now.

it's ready to go. Almost like it'll be some sort of pre-order bonus & they've been making normal flying irrelevant by locking it behind time consuming achivements

[Dragon ANX]

Question
In addition to the traditional elements of Fire, Water, Earth, and Air, what are the other elements officially recognized in Azeroth?
Do we know if every element "must have" an elemental Lord?
Do we know all the elemental Lords?

[Ersula]

I wonder if it'll end up something like this: Eonar fell in love with our world, and shaped much of its wildlife.

She fell in love with a baby? Jail.

[Ferlion]

So who's willing to bet that the Earth Mother is somehow involved with everything we're seeing right now?

I'm sure the Tauren's version of the tale is part myth and allegory. But if you look at the story of the Earth Mother, it does look a bit suspicious.

- Roamed Azeroth at the time the Old Gods were free below the earth.

- Had control (somewhat) over Life, Death, and the Elements.

- Created Azeroth's two moons and the Sun (these were her children, made from her eyes and tears). The bigger moon, the White Lady, is Elune

- Created the seasons by sleeping, as well as the Tauren and a bunch of other plants and animals.

- Eventually "rooted" herself in the earth and became one with the land, as the Sun and the Moon(s) took over her duty to watch over Azeroth from above.

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I wonder if it'll end up something like this: Eonar fell in love with our world, and shaped much of its wildlife. Maybe causing or strengthening the link between the Emerald Dream and the Shadowlands. Maybe, allowed Elune and the Winter Queen to keep watch over Azeroth (symbolised with the moons) alongside their brother (the Sun).

Directing of influencing Azeroth's life-force to create life.

The part about rooting herself to the world could perhaps be that tree which got snatched away from her. Maybe she poured all of her love into it or something.

Another option could perhaps be that it represents the world-soul itself, which perhaps roamed the planet through an avatar in the old days, seeding life etc., before getting confined to the world's core for some reason. Perhaps the Titans locked her in there and put her to sleep for "her own good".

So..

And this is just me, and I know this is something that is kind of up for interpretation...

But I've never really viewed the Earthmother as a standalone being. Not exactly. Lot of it is some of the older lore from RPGs, which were non-canon, but it lined up with other stuff and kind of colored my view overall.

Earthmother is...or was...the spirit that connected all living things. She was primarily worshipped by Shamanistic races. She lives in every sea and rock and plant and lifeform on Azeroth. She is the embodiment of nature in a way that lined up very specifically with the Element of Spirit as it was introduced. That's kind of what I always assumed the Earthmother was.

Not so much a singular being as much as a universal consciousness that those with the proper training can communicate with to some degree.

So like, everything is Earthmother, and that same universal consciousness can move and shake when it needs to make things happen, but insofar as being a singular entity it's not quite an accurate assessment? If that makes sense?

[Nibelheimy]

100% convinced that Wall I posted is gonna get like 1 person looking at it, but one thing in there. What it the Gryphon was.. an elemental Gryphon? As in literally carved from stone and infused with Air (and well, in my speculation, also Spirit, to get that effect color).

I can see it being possible. We have a Dwarves so far relating to every element other than Spirit and Decay. The colours on the datamined textures could very well be as you describe, Stone mixed with Chi/Spirit. We know Iridikron has succ'd up Galakronds Decay energy. From the earlier datamined books mentioning the ripping up of the branch, it seems that the residents of Khaz'Algar could be life influenced, living inside the fissure amongst the roots being changed/influenced/fed by the destroyed branch/Elune powers/life magic.

Why however, we need to go there is the missing link. If the roots of that destroyed tree beneath the fissure to stretch towards the world soul. Iridikron and co could go down in order to infuse the world soul with decay, attempting to effectively kill the planet/world soul to force the titans to intervene. It is possible he infuses Xal'Atath with the voidsoul whilst at the heart of the roots, remaking her into her suspected old old god form from the chronicles border so she can sit amongst the roots slowly strangling it and corrupting the roots reaching the world soul or the deepest places of the planet. How on earth would we hear about it? If Khaz'Algar and Avaloren are to be in the same area. Its going to have to be Nightsquall.

I do feel the pieces slowly coming together with all of the speculation.

[Ferlion]

Question
In addition to the traditional elements of Fire, Water, Earth, and Air, what are the other elements officially recognized in Azeroth?
Do we know if every element "must have" an elemental Lord?
Do we know all the elemental Lords?

As far as we know there are 6 official elements on Azeroth.

Earth.
Wind.
Water.
Fire.
Spirit.
Decay.

There could be others, but those are the ones that are named and recognized by the Titans in Chronicle and other sources.

[Chickat]

Woah 25 pages in 1 day? Something juicy must have happened?

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Woah 25 pages in 1 day? Something juicy must have happened?

I just skim through some of it, doesn't seem so, just heavy lore discussions mostly.


hoping for some more believable fake leaks or real ones to unleash the chaos of speculation.

[Chickat]

I just skim through some of it, doesn't seem so, just heavy lore discussions mostly.


hoping for some more believable fake leaks or real ones to unleash the chaos of speculation.

Ah ok. Ill skim what I can tonight as I game and try to catch up. Im not able to play games and keep up with this thread at this point.

[Woggmer]

Doing the EK cup has made me realize how tiny all the vanilla zones are. Are there going to be more cups? I seem to remember there was a Northrend one that was datamined? Would be cool as hell if there was an Outland one though.

Also, why exactly aren't they allowing people to just use dragonriding in the old zones? It seems to be perfectly possible considering a lot of zones have these races now.

The Vanilla zones being tiny compared to newer zones is something that people seem to overlook or don't see a a big deal. But I have pointed this out in another thread.. basically DF's zones usually have up to 6 races (aside from the Waking Shore having 8 races and Ohn'ahran Plains having 5 races) including in the Forbidden Reach and Zaralek Caverns.

The zones in EK and Kalimdor are much smaller by comparison aside from a few outliers like Hyjal, Uldum, and Twilight Highlands which were added in for Cata. So, it makes me wonder if they might one day merge some of the old zones into larger zones in order for a revamp to be possible or have them built in mind for Dragonriding. (Who can say really?)

As for why not allowing people to use Dragonriding.. I'd imagine that they want the option to use Dragonriding to be baseline to ALL flying mounts and not have people limited to the dragon mounts we got in DF.. which would mean changing the flying animation for a lot of mounts.

[Ferlion]

The Vanilla zones being tiny compared to newer zones is something that people seem to overlook or don't see a a big deal. But I have pointed this out in another thread.. basically DF's zones usually have up to 6 races (aside from the Waking Shore having 8 races and Ohn'ahran Plains having 5 races) including in the Forbidden Reach and Zaralek Caverns.

The zones in EK and Kalimdor are much smaller by comparison aside from a few outliers like Hyjal, Uldum, and Twilight Highlands which were added in for Cata. So, it makes me wonder if they might one day merge some of the old zones into larger zones in order for a revamp to be possible or have them built in mind for Dragonriding. (Who can say really?)

As for why not allowing people to use Dragonriding.. I'd imagine that they want the option to use Dragonriding to be baseline to ALL flying mounts and not have people limited to the dragon mounts we got in DF.. which would mean changing the flying animation for a lot of mounts.

It's funny.

Because while I agree each individual zone in the old world is smaller, I was just talking to my SO about how I really missed the scale of the old world. I was using ZG as an example. with it's big towering walls, and the inside of the dungeon.

We don't really see that scale of buildings and civilizations anymore. Even Tyrhold and Valdrakken in Dragonflight are localized, not spread out. Even the towers and villages we see kind of just seem to lack the same sense of scale.

[Dismayxz]

I can see it being possible. We have a Dwarves so far relating to every element other than Spirit and Decay. The colours on the datamined textures could very well be as you describe, Stone mixed with Chi/Spirit. We know Iridikron has succ'd up Galakronds Decay energy. From the earlier datamined books mentioning the ripping up of the branch, it seems that the residents of Khaz'Algar could be life influenced, living inside the fissure amongst the roots being changed/influenced/fed by the destroyed branch/Elune powers/life magic.

Why however, we need to go there is the missing link. If the roots of that destroyed tree beneath the fissure to stretch towards the world soul. Iridikron and co could go down in order to infuse the world soul with decay, attempting to effectively kill the planet/world soul to force the titans to intervene. It is possible he infuses Xal'Atath with the voidsoul whilst at the heart of the roots, remaking her into her suspected old old god form from the chronicles border so she can sit amongst the roots slowly strangling it and corrupting the roots reaching the world soul or the deepest places of the planet. How on earth would we hear about it? If Khaz'Algar and Avaloren are to be in the same area. Its going to have to be Nightsquall.

I do feel the pieces slowly coming together with all of the speculation.

2 Things, 1 I included in the post, the other I didn't include. Nightsquall is iffy on us, because the guy who wrote it got fired and we have "No pirates". My mind says, the firing has nothing to do with it and the "no pirates" only relates to on going speculation at the time. The Expansion Theme isn't pirates. Pirates aren't going to be heavily featured or even necessarily there at the start. Tracks for me, but what doesn't is, even if I go with my own speculation: How'd Nightsquall get there? He's a nightelf that supposedly left nightelven culture at a young age. What is a young age to a race that has people in the 10.000's? Could he have been a druidic apprentice before he left and became an outlaw? Is he a sort of druidic dream pirate or did he genuinely make it past the Storming Sea with just a ship and a crew? Then second is, that he not only made it there, but apparently came back. And with a hull full of treasure, meaning he has lead successful raids on whoever lives West or raided old temples there which still held plenty of treasure. Now he's building a Fleet, the "greatest" Fleet ever seen among Pirates. That's gonna take time and some organization. I think the Nightsquall isn't how we go there, he's a minor 'threat' or neutral entity that is going to join us West later down the line, not immediately.

Iridikron. Like I wrote, I still fail to see what he wants to do when does have the attention of the Titans. That's what really irks me. He's a fly compared to an Old God. A molecule to the guy that ripped one out of the planet. Galakronds Essence can only be used as bait or a direct tool to get said attention. But I just don't see him ending up dying. Even if the reformed Titans don't end up powerful, I still just don't see him as a credible threat, when only the Aspects and Tyr took Galakrond down. What's his essence gonna do? I am more and more sold on the idea (not my idea of separating the Titans from eachother) that whatever he has in mind as revenge isn't a direct fight or direct revenge. It is deeper.