Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lolites]

classic+ would slowly cannibalize retail like it happened with osrs and rs3

wasnt classic supposed to do that ?
or was it classic tbc?
or was it classic wrath?
or was it classic hardcore?

but 5th time is the charm right? RIGHT?

[Nymrohd]

isn't it sort of confirmed by in-game books that there are areas that never were parts of ancient Kalimdor? Like Avaloren?

Although if Titanic expeditions can't get there, it is hard to believe Earthen got there. Hmmmm.

Maybe they got there with those storm-riding mounts. And they became heretics later because of the fissure.

We know they could not get there after the heretics betrayed the Keeper there. So they WERE there originally.

[Hitei]

Whatever happens next, i hope they return to scenarios for main story quests.

I know i said it before, but doing the campaign quests and being surrounded by randos that spamm chat is a terrible experience.
Or having to compete for mob tags, or having to wait for the boss mobs to respawn.

When are you running into anything but the very last point outside of like, the few hour window at the very start of content release where everyone is trying to do the thing at once? Even for the last one, the respawn timer on most named quest mobs is probably <100s. Instancing everything feels like a pretty bad solution to very minor problems.

wasnt classic supposed to do that ?
or was it classic tbc?
or was it classic wrath?
or was it classic hardcore?

but 5th time is the charm right? RIGHT?

Truly they thought they did, but they didn't.

[Lolites]

Truly they thought they did, but they didn't.

i believe people had the same problem many show on this forum - "i like something so EVERYBODY will like it, and everybody will hate what i hate" attitude
there are many that like classic, and im glad they got it, but those STILL claiming how classic (or now classic+) will kill retail are just beyond stupid...

[Wangming]

We know they could not get there after the heretics betrayed the Keeper there. So they WERE there originally.

Yeah, thanks. That was I was thinking about. I do wonder when the storm got there. Maybe it was to keep out the Titans.

[Nymrohd]

wasnt classic supposed to do that ?
or was it classic tbc?
or was it classic wrath?
or was it classic hardcore?

but 5th time is the charm right? RIGHT?

Yes, both those two hardcore servers would kill retail.

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But how would they originally get there if Avaloren was on a separate contient from Ancient Kalimdor? Swim? Tunnels?

You are asking how the plane spanning Titans and their keeper servants who built technology that can penetrate to the core of the planet, regulate the climate, completely reset all life, create intelligent life, make massive areas completely invisible, contain mountain sized creatures, spin alternate realities etc could traverse an ocean? Yeah sure, they swam there.

[Wangming]

You are asking how the plane spanning Titans and their keeper servants who built technology that can penetrate to the core of the planet, regulate the climate, completely reset all life, create intelligent life, make massive areas completely invisible, contain mountain sized creatures, spin alternate realities etc could traverse an ocean? Yeah sure, they swam there.

Well the heretics are supposed to possess very advanced technology, no?

[Nymrohd]

Well the heretics are supposed to possess very advanced technology, no?

Ofc they do, they have the technology the Titans left and they appropriated.
I'd say they have Black Empire stuff but we did go to Nyalotha and I can't say it looked particularly tech advanced. Nothing you cannot build with monster and slave labour.

[Dismayxz]

Maybe he intends to use something like a curse of the flesh to make the Titans mortal. And perhaps if they die, their souls won't be associated with Order any longer. Though the natural question is if it's that simple why didn't the Old Gods do it back when they were fighting the Titans. The other option is to use Azeroth to kill the Titans. But I think if anyone had that plan it would be Xalatath.

I thought about a similar string of events, but If it was that simple, the Keepers would've been affected already. All their cannon fodder Foot Soldier creations were.

[Nymrohd]

You don't think it's a legitimate question to ask how little dwarf-like creatures made of stone made their way to another continent across a vast sea, potentially blocked by terrible storms?

Odyn sent ships to Avaloren on his expeditions, so I'm not sure why we'd assume these earthen would use some kind of sophisticated craft.

Odyn sent ships AFTER those heretics had killed a titan Keeper there. So the Keepers already had arrived before. He could not reach Avaloren after BECAUSE of the defenses erected. And we have no evidence so far that Khaz Algar and Avaloren are the same place. They are probably close or the same because of conservation of detail but we don't have any evidence that it is true.

[Lolites]

you solved the clue.

you know what, give me huge rideable corgi and im in

[Polybius]

I think it's looking more and more likely that it will be a group of islands in that Stormy sea off the west coast of Kalimdor.

What if the entrance to that protected area is not over land and sea, but underground...

[Wangming]

Odyn sent ships AFTER those heretics had killed a titan Keeper there. So the Keepers already had arrived before. He could not reach Avaloren after BECAUSE of the defenses erected. And we have no evidence so far that Khaz Algar and Avaloren are the same place. They are probably close or the same because of conservation of detail but we don't have any evidence that it is true.

THIS is very important. We kinda have a feeling they are close by, but not necessarily so.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I hope next expansion opening cinematic has the same amount of "badass'ery" as WoD cinematic had.

something that will make you pump and yell in your mind "fuck yeah!"

you know what, give me huge rideable corgi and im in

hell yeah, corgi mount.

[Nymrohd]

you know what, give me huge rideable corgi and im in

Horse-sized friendly talking corgi race?

[Lolites]

Horse-sized friendly talking corgi race?

no, pony sized, humanoid, and riding huge corgis
bcs it absolutely wont be weird same way like highmountain riding moose or dracthyr flying around on dragons

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hell yeah, corgi mount.

you know it!
wait, whens the next year of the dog?!

[Makorus]

You accept the shitty writing.
I don't.

Name a more iconic duo than WoW fans and hyping up things and inventing headcanon.

On the same level as "Old Gods are invincible and we shouldn't be able to kill them!".

Because having invincible gods is such good writing.

[Nymrohd]

Do we know they killed a Titan Keeper?

Do we know they did whatever they did to her on Avaloren, or might it have occured elsewhere?

The fact remains that he used (by the looks of things) ships of some kind, not advanced space alien technology. When you read about Earthen lore, and how they spread across the world, you don't really come across any mentioning of ships, especially none that can withstand the supposedly immense storms of the west. You typicall read that they move through mountains and tunnels and stuff, shaping the earth below the surface.

There is a portal from Un'goro to Sholazar. Maybe there is one from Uldorus to Avaloren.

[Raetary]

When are you running into anything

In every single second of doing those quests?

People kept spamming over Velens dialogues in the man'ari quests.
Tyr's tomb was chock full with people doing the same and despite the quick respawn timer, there were so many people that the guardian mobs you had to kill were immediately greyed out.

Same thing with the nelven heritage set.
Where i had to spent 15 minutes doing the initial quests because everything either greyed out or died instantly, and i had to sit in the queue twice to kill the Nathrezim at the end.

The only story quests that aren't majorly affected by this are the ones that branch out and send you to different locations on the map, so people are spread out all over.
E.g Tyrs guard/Blue dragons.

the few hour window at the very start of content release where everyone is trying to do the thing at once?

Idk on what weird, empty and disconnected realm you are playing on, but this issue persists for the first few days and not just the first few hours.

My schedule is chock full with work and school, so i either get to do it on wednesday evening immediately or late over the weekends.
And there is barely a difference at either times in my experience.

People shouldn't be forced to wait several days just to experience an newly available questline in peace.

And i'm not saying "instance everything", just put up a scenario for the narratively more important quests or quests that specifically require your character in the focus.

[Nymrohd]

wait, whens the next year of the dog?!

We are in a rabbit year so we are a bit off. 2030
Dragon, Snake, Horse, Goat, Monkey, Rooster and then Dog. I think we got Dog first? (Shu-zen) He is a good boy, but not a corgi.