Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Reive]

oh man, going back thru people's reactions to scaleface's DF leaks is HILARIOUS. no shot anyone will accept any real 11.0 leaks as legitimate until we're all watching the reveal trailer next month and the cycle will continue for 12.0. but that's all part of the fun c:

to be fair, no one expected dracthyrs to look like that lol

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I just checked and his first posts related to the topic at all were on April 12th. That is when he started posting about the fact there would be leaks soon because of press packets, and within the next three days he had posted the riddles and the thread had solved them.

Here is his first post after the press packet.
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post53696179

thought it was earlier. i guess we'll have to wait 1-2 more weeks before getting anything meaningful

[Ersula]

I think if we see her visage, it will be during a flashback showing us how the Incarnates got their powers. To this day we have no idea how it happened, and given lack of elemental lords in Dragonflight, I would assume it wasn't them.

Shouldn't we just assume they got them from Galakrond? Their Father? They talk about the Titans like they personally remember what Azeroth was like before they showed up, so there's a good chance they predate the Elemental Lords entirely.

[Yus atath]

scaleface told us the name of the expansion and the date of the announcement almost 1 month before tho iirc

I was talking specifically about the cinematic stills.

[KurtMash]

But don't the Elemental Lords predate everything else on Azeroth, Titans and Old Gods included?

[Raetary]

But don't the Elemental Lords predate everything else on Azeroth, Titans and Old Gods included?

They do.

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[Well Done Steak]

I'm willing to bet that Tyr wakes up, he senses that the storm west of Kal has dissipated and that Uldaz and the world soul are now vulnerable.

Since Vyr is on our side now, she confirms this as part of Iri's plan and we get a flashback of Raz doing her thing in visage form.

[Izalla]

oh man, going back thru people's reactions to scaleface's DF leaks is HILARIOUS. no shot anyone will accept any real 11.0 leaks as legitimate until we're all watching the reveal trailer next month and the cycle will continue for 12.0. but that's all part of the fun c:

To be fair I still can't believe that was all real. Not just because of how bizarre the evoker is, but because of how the info was being fed to us. Has there ever been a real leak before that was someone teasing and giving out riddles instead of just dropping straight info? It all seemed ridiculous and convoluted at the time and like scaleface was just having a laugh getting people to follow a nonsensical goose chase. And that screenshot of the dracthyr still just looks goofy as hell.

[huth]

oh man, going back thru people's reactions to scaleface's DF leaks is HILARIOUS. no shot anyone will accept any real 11.0 leaks as legitimate until we're all watching the reveal trailer next month and the cycle will continue for 12.0. but that's all part of the fun c:

For what it's worth, given the amount of fake leaks dismissing everything is the safer option.

[Ersula]

But don't the Elemental Lords predate everything else on Azeroth, Titans and Old Gods included?

They don't give us any hard dates, which does lead to some weird implications. Like Galakrond & the Black Empire reigned over the planet during the same time but they apparently never interacted? Interesting part relevant to the discussion of a Spirit Elemental lord: Chronicle starts out saying the elemental power of Spirit was consumed by Azeroth directly. Which might even be the reason it has a world soul in the first place. It sounds like the Elemental Lords developed at this point, in order to compete with the other elements for any vestiges of life that remained for them. There's no record of when Galakrond actually first came into being, just that he appears to have already existed when the Titans arrived. So for all we know Galakrond might pre-date the Elemental Lords.

The Old Gods first enslaved the Elemental Lords, then developed the Black Empire. So there's no clear explanation to what existed first: The Elemental Lords, The Old Gods, or Galakrond.

[milkmustache]

I'm willing to bet that Tyr wakes up, he senses that the storm west of Kal has dissipated and that Uldaz and the world soul are now vulnerable.

Since Vyr is on our side now, she confirms this as part of Iri's plan and we get a flashback of Raz doing her thing in visage form.

I like this idea of easy access to the world soul being hidden by a storm on the other side of Azeroth.

I hope they have a better explaination than "the storm dispersed". One too many storms or mists that just go away for us to find a new continent.

[Izalla]

Shouldn't we just assume they got them from Galakrond? Their Father? They talk about the Titans like they personally remember what Azeroth was like before they showed up, so there's a good chance they predate the Elemental Lords entirely.

I don't think that is possible since protodragons are literally fleshy creatures that evolved from elementals. Unless you're suggesting they were elementals that existed before the lords did, and got turned fleshy later on? Besides, Alex acts like Vyranoth was as much her sister as the other aspects are her "siblings" (not actual siblings like Ysera of course), and I don't think Alex or Noz or Ysera have ever discussed what it was like being an elemental being before the Old Gods arrived.

[Zers Editor]

I'm willing to bet that Tyr wakes up, he senses that the storm west of Kal has dissipated and that Uldaz and the world soul are now vulnerable.

Since Vyr is on our side now, she confirms this as part of Iri's plan and we get a flashback of Raz doing her thing in visage form.

10.2.5 will definitely focus on the conflict between Tyr and Alexstrasza/Vyranoth first. Do not expect much outside of a single quest chain. And we are yet to see if Vyranoth is no longer wishing to follow Iridikron (after he deliberately send Fyrakk spiraling for his goal).

[Wangming]

To be fair I still can't believe that was all real. Not just because of how bizarre the evoker is, but because of how the info was being fed to us. Has there ever been a real leak before that was someone teasing and giving out riddles instead of just dropping straight info? It all seemed ridiculous and convoluted at the time and like scaleface was just having a laugh getting people to follow a nonsensical goose chase. And that screenshot of the dracthyr still just looks goofy as hell.

Plausible deniability if they are caught. They didn't tell anything really, just let others figure it out. Not their fault we are clever.

[Izalla]

But don't the Elemental Lords predate everything else on Azeroth, Titans and Old Gods included?

They probably formed when the planet itself did...

[Ersula]

I don't think that is possible since protodragons are literally fleshy creatures that evolved from elementals. Unless you're suggesting they were elementals that existed before the lords did, and got turned fleshy later on? Besides, Alex acts like Vyranoth was as much her sister as the other aspects are her "siblings" (not actual siblings like Ysera of course), and I don't think Alex or Noz or Ysera have ever discussed what it was like being an elemental being before the Old Gods arrived.

Unless Galakrond is an Elemental in this sense. Then it makes sense that Galakrond's first generation of offspring would have the Incarnates special powers, with each following generation becoming less & less elemental.

[Izalla]

Unless Galakrond is an Elemental in this sense. Then it makes sense that Galakrond's first generation of offspring would have the Incarnates special powers, with each following generation becoming less & less elemental.

But were they elemental when they were born, or did they become that way when they decided to go to war against the aspects? Methinks it's probably the latter. Also is it confirmed they are actually Galakrond's kids?

[Well Done Steak]

10.2.5 will definitely focus on the conflict between Tyr and Alexstrasza/Vyranoth first. Do not expect much outside of a single quest chain. And we are yet to see if Vyranoth is no longer wishing to follow Iridikron (after he deliberately send Fyrakk spiraling for his goal).

I seriously doubt Vyr is gonna go against us right after joining us, especially after receiving the blessing of the tree

[Izalla]

If anything, I wanna know when they became this smart. I assume they got empowered with the elements and advanced intelligence after the aspects got their transformations, in retaliation so they could fight them. Because when you play through Ysera's memories her mind was quite simple as a protodragon. Everything was either food, friend, "not-alive" and basic things like that. I doubt the Incarnates were on the same level as they are now back when they aspects were only borderline sentient.

[Ersula]

But were they elemental when they were born, or did they become that way when they decided to go to war against the aspects? Methinks it's probably the latter. Also is it confirmed they are actually Galakrond's kids?

Another thing that's never clarified beyond them saying they are all "of Galakrond's brood." I think there's two possibilities. 1.) Either Galakrond has innate elemental power that the Incarnates inherited. Or 2.) At some point before they were imprisoned each of them ate a previous Elemental Lord, thereby gaining their powers.

[Jaggler]

If anything, I wanna know when they became this smart. I assume they got empowered with the elements and advanced intelligence after the aspects got their transformations, in retaliation so they could fight them. Because when you play through Ysera's memories her mind was quite simple as a protodragon. Everything was either food, friend, "not-alive" and basic things like that. I doubt the Incarnates were on the same level as they are now back when they aspects were only borderline sentient.

the aspecs als were rather intelligent pre-empowerment, you can even hear it in the mega-dungeon