Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

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Oh God no. I liked Chromie when she was like a secret agent of the Bronze, always in strange places and with his aura of mystery around her. I remember encountering her in the Plaguelands and it felt important, I wanted to know more about her and her mission.

Nowadays, with that silly voice and constant presence everywhere, she became rather annoying. The cutscene between her and Nozdormu felt so Disney-ish that almost made me vomit rainbows.

I agree on that front. I think she's a fun side-character to adventure with, but compounding the terminal overload of saccharine hyperoptimism that is Dragonflight by putting her in the position of a demigod would make me want to slash open my own throat.

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* All the old Aspects are ultimately gone for good, making way for the new generation: Merithra, Wrathion, Kalegcos, Chromie, and some red guy.

I'm sure looking forward to enjoying all those interesting character.

[Foolicious]

Oh God no. I liked Chromie when she was like a secret agent of the Bronze, always in strange places and with his aura of mystery around her. I remember encountering her in the Plaguelands and it felt important, I wanted to know more about her and her mission.

Nowadays, with that silly voice and constant presence everywhere, she became rather annoying. The cutscene between her and Nozdormu felt so Disney-ish that almost made me vomit rainbows.

In fact, all the characters you mentioned feel like they're the cast from Captain Planet. They all suck major balls. Sabellian can easily mop the floor with Wrathion's head, I don't even know why there's a dispute there. A true Black should've destroyed that insolent whelp almost immediately.

Its strange they never bothered to introduce another bronze dragon properly. Soridormi and Anachronos are just there since vanilla and kairozdormu was killed of after one patch. So now whenever something involves bronze dragons its always chromie which is exhausting. I like her as a character in small doses but i agree that she shouldn't be used for every occasion they need a bronze besides nozdormu.

[Nymrohd]

Its strange they never bothered to introduce another bronze dragon properly. Soridormi and Anachronos are just there since vanilla and kairozdormu was killed of after one patch. So now whenever something involves bronze dragons its always chromie which is exhausting. I like her as a character in small doses but i agree that she shouldn't be used for every occasion they need a bronze besides nozdormu.

*cries in red flight
Poor Calen.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Oh God no. I liked Chromie when she was like a secret agent of the Bronze, always in strange places and with his aura of mystery around her. I remember encountering her in the Plaguelands and it felt important, I wanted to know more about her and her mission.

Nowadays, with that silly voice and constant presence everywhere, she became rather annoying. The cutscene between her and Nozdormu felt so Disney-ish that almost made me vomit rainbows.

In fact, all the characters you mentioned feel like they're the cast from Captain Planet. They all suck major balls. Sabellian can easily mop the floor with Wrathion's head, I don't even know why there's a dispute there. A true Black should've destroyed that insolent whelp almost immediately.

You had me in the first half then moaned about a "True black dragon" Like how Neltharion tried to destroy the world? No, this dispute is good for the story. This "True Black" is nonsense. The Black Dragonflight has to find itself cause most of its history is just corrupted dragons.

Its strange they never bothered to introduce another bronze dragon properly. Soridormi and Anachronos are just there since vanilla and kairozdormu was killed of after one patch. So now whenever something involves bronze dragons its always chromie which is exhausting. I like her as a character in small doses but i agree that she shouldn't be used for every occasion they need a bronze besides nozdormu.

True, I don't particularly care for Chromie being the new Bronze Aspect. She's not THAT great of a character to me. Only one way I could tolerate Chromie and...more character development.


Chromie in hoping to prevent Nozdormu from turning into Murozond she sacrifices herself and becomes Murozond herself(All possibilities was mentioned so this is one of them). Yes this would kill the character but it would be a twist.

[Revamp Man]

so i have all of my alts gaining knowledge every week
10 per week
the main guess ive seen, which comes from the youtuber that bullied a guy off the internet then whined when he got backlash, is may 2nd
6 weeks
60 knowledge points

recrafting gear in 10.1 is gonna be very profitable

[Nymrohd]

so i have all of my alts gaining knowledge every week
10 per week
the main guess ive seen, which comes from the youtuber that bullied a guy off the internet then whined when he got backlash, is may 2nd
6 weeks
60 knowledge points

recrafting gear in 10.1 is gonna be very profitable

It actually varies by profession. Some have as much as 13 per week (3x3 from quests plus 4 from treasures). Plus 10.1 is a knowledge bump by itself (3 new one time treasures per profession for 3 points each).

[Fahrad Wagner]

It actually varies by profession. Some have as much as 13 per week (3x3 from quests plus 4 from treasures). Plus 10.1 is a knowledge bump by itself (3 new one time treasures per profession for 3 points each).

Do we have a view on 10.1 new recipes or professions updates so far? I missed the train with 10.0 and was a bit behind to make gold, I'd like to make it up for it in 10.1.

[Sondrelk]

It actually varies by profession. Some have as much as 13 per week (3x3 from quests plus 4 from treasures). Plus 10.1 is a knowledge bump by itself (3 new one time treasures per profession for 3 points each).

I wonder if we will ever get more profession abilities. Maybe have them require a certain amount of points spent in order to not make them overpowered, or generally just to have more fun stuff to farm once you are done filling out the rest of the tree.
Might be a mistake, but who knows.

Or if nothing else, make the Masters Hammer you get as a Blacksmith fix all your eligible gear, or better yet make repairing the relevant item free if you have it in your inventory. Having to individually repair stuff is not fun.

[Revamp Man]

Do we have a view on 10.1 new recipes or professions updates so far? I missed the train with 10.0 and was a bit behind to make gold, I'd like to make it up for it in 10.1.

enchanters will be making a bunch otherwise it is mostly recrafts

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also with the nerf to the lariat i think you might be able to make some gold from embellishments

[Nymrohd]

Do we have a view on 10.1 new recipes or professions updates so far? I missed the train with 10.0 and was a bit behind to make gold, I'd like to make it up for it in 10.1.

This is all me browsing through the data mined and checking professions in the PTR but we seem to be getting at least three treasures for each profession (including engineering) for 9 skill points in total and there are also a few new crafts for every profession; some are weird (e.g. BS has a 2h mace with both stats and an effect yet no "Embellished" tag which is bound to be wrong). There is also a belt buckle but no description (getting back that consumable would be nice).

But yeah most of your work as a crafter in 10.1 will be recrafting already popular crafts at higher ilvls and ofc consumables.

[Alanar]

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Nowadays, with that silly voice and constant presence everywhere, she became rather annoying. The cutscene between her and Nozdormu felt so Disney-ish that almost made me vomit rainbows.

This is exactly why I dont like chromie. Her voice is so annoying and on top of that she is rather childish in a way.

I felt that disney vibe ye,.. its bad.

[Wangming]

This is exactly why I dont like chromie. Her voice is so annoying and on top of that she is rather childish in a way.

I felt that disney vibe ye,.. its bad.

She's good as a fun side character, but does not work as a main character.

Also, question: At what point do we migrate to a full 11.0 speculation patch? It's always a fun race to see how long we can go till the announcement.
On that note, when will we get it? 10.2 is suppossed to arrive sometimes during or after next Fall. I would guess after because 24 months for the expansion would clock in at the November of 2024. And I don't really believe they want to do a 12 months last raid patch. I mean we had worse, but that can't be the aim. Dragonflight had the quickest release with 7 months since announcement, That would give us a May announcement next year if they want Dragonflight to last two years.
Give or take one or two months, but it sounds to me we will get a reveal a year from now.

[loras]

Sabellian, the guy that never changed where he set his hearthstone and was expansions behind. He couldn’t even clean up his father’s mess.

...No one could, like the world literally has not recovered in the slightest from that mess.
Wrathion made attempts but between setting the Iron Horde on us and nearly ending us all via the Legion invasion he might be one of the very few who could rival his father in terms of how disastrous one dragon can be for the world.

[Wangming]

...No one could, like the world literally has not recovered in the slightest from that mess.
Wrathion made attempts but between setting the Iron Horde on us and nearly ending us all via the Legion invasion he might be one of the very few who could rival his father in terms of how disastrous one dragon can be for the world.

Wrathion would actually make a pretty refreshing villain. He really believes he is doing the world something good and isn't just: Deeeeath and deeeestructiooooon, becaaaaause an ooooooctopuuuuuus toooooold meeee tooo kiiiilllllllllllll

[Nymrohd]

...No one could, like the world literally has not recovered in the slightest from that mess.
Wrathion made attempts but between setting the Iron Horde on us and nearly ending us all via the Legion invasion he might be one of the very few who could rival his father in terms of how disastrous one dragon can be for the world.

We are as much to blame for the Legion invasion as he is.

[Zulggun]

She's good as a fun side character, but does not work as a main character.

Also, question: At what point do we migrate to a full 11.0 speculation patch? It's always a fun race to see how long we can go till the announcement.
On that note, when will we get it? 10.2 is suppossed to arrive sometimes during or after next Fall. I would guess after because 24 months for the expansion would clock in at the November of 2024. And I don't really believe they want to do a 12 months last raid patch. I mean we had worse, but that can't be the aim. Dragonflight had the quickest release with 7 months since announcement, That would give us a May announcement next year if they want Dragonflight to last two years.
Give or take one or two months, but it sounds to me we will get a reveal a year from now.

12 month of last patch? Where it was stated DF is two -patch expansion? The roadmap is for 2023 only I'm pretty sure they will announce more at the end of the year.

[Nymrohd]

Also, question: At what point do we migrate to a full 11.0 speculation patch? It's always a fun race to see how long we can go till the announcement.
On that note, when will we get it? 10.2 is suppossed to arrive sometimes during or after next Fall.

10.2 PTR may have some hint on 11.0. The reveal is almost certainly going to be out at Blizzcon. I think it's entirely possible to have 10.2 out in late October with the race finishing right before Blizzcon and the major 10.2 cinematics out so Blizzcon would reveal 10.3 and 11.0 So I'd say we are likely to transition to full speculation by late August as long as at least some type of hint is out there from the 10.2 PTR.

[Wangming]

12 month of last patch? Where it was stated DF is two -patch expansion? The roadmap is for 2023 only I'm pretty sure they will announce more at the end of the year.

I guess we will learn in December. For the record a 12 months last patch wouldn't be extremely long, but it depends on what features 10.2 arrives with, because there needs to be some meaty shit to keep people occupied for a long time.
A fun thing to consider is that the two longest expansions were Wrath and MoP. Wrath preluded the revamp expansion and MoP preluded WoD which was light on features, but had a shitton of system updates. Considering we now have a level squish, level scaling, a UI revamp, a profession revamp and a Talent System revamp and will soon have a gearing revamp, a big systems expansion is pretty much out of the question.
So if DF ends up lasting over the two year long, a world revamp expansion becomes all that more likely.

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10.2 PTR may have some hint on 11.0. The reveal is almost certainly going to be out at Blizzcon. I think it's entirely possible to have 10.2 out in late October with the race finishing right before Blizzcon and the major 10.2 cinematics out so Blizzcon would reveal 10.3 and 11.0 So I'd say we are likely to transition to full speculation by late August as long as at least some type of hint is out there from the 10.2 PTR.

Yeah that is usually when we go wild cause we will have something more tangible to focus our speculation.

[Fahrad Wagner]

She's good as a fun side character, but does not work as a main character.

Also, question: At what point do we migrate to a full 11.0 speculation patch? It's always a fun race to see how long we can go till the announcement.
On that note, when will we get it? 10.2 is suppossed to arrive sometimes during or after next Fall. I would guess after because 24 months for the expansion would clock in at the November of 2024. And I don't really believe they want to do a 12 months last raid patch. I mean we had worse, but that can't be the aim. Dragonflight had the quickest release with 7 months since announcement, That would give us a May announcement next year if they want Dragonflight to last two years.
Give or take one or two months, but it sounds to me we will get a reveal a year from now.

We'll migrate towards a full 11.0 speculation patch once the last patch of DF is announced, and is announced as such (as in we know it's the last major .X patch)

I can definitely see a 10.3 on the horizon, they would have to wrap a loooooot of things for the story to end with 10.2 and I don't think they will go towards that direction.

My guess so far is 10.2 Emerald Dream Raid / 10.3 Infinite Dragonflight Raid (possibly including the narrative of an Galakronised Iridikrond)

I guess we will learn in December. For the record a 12 months last patch wouldn't be extremely long, but it depends on what features 10.2 arrives with, because there needs to be some meaty shit to keep people occupied for a long time.
A fun thing to consider is that the two longest expansions were Wrath and MoP. Wrath preluded the revamp expansion and MoP preluded WoD which was light on features, but had a shitton of system updates. Considering we now have a level squish, level scaling, a UI revamp, a profession revamp and a Talent System revamp and will soon have a gearing revamp, a big systems expansion is pretty much out of the question.
So if DF ends up lasting over the two year long, a world revamp expansion becomes all that more likely.


Yeah that is usually when we go wild cause we will have something more tangible to focus our speculation.

Crunch crunch crunch

[Wangming]

We'll migrate towards a full 11.0 speculation patch once the last patch of DF is announced, and is announced as such (as in we know it's the last major .X patch)

I can definitely see a 10.3 on the horizon, they would have to wrap a loooooot of things for the story to end with 10.2 and I don't think they will go towards that direction.

The way I see it a 10.3 would be a soft confirmation of a massive 11.0 especially if it comes a substantial time (3-4 months at least) after 10.2