Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ersula]

Show me where they are planning for dragon riding to come out to the old world before 11.0?
All I see is they plan to add it, no time frame for when.

The post you were replying to says:

As data-miners have guessed, we are indeed working on dragonriding outside of the Dragon Isles and broadening the set of mounts that can dragonride. Our initial work on this can be seen in the Fractures in Time game files, but that feature will not be complete or featured in the live game until later in Dragonflight.

The Dragonriding outside of Dragon Isles feature is coming "later in Dragonflight" meaning before 11.0. Do you read your own posts?

[NikolaiShade]

Yes, but the problem with this logic is the Winter Queen was asking for help with something imminent. With Elune pulling the card of actively helping her sister, something had to happen in that time frame & nothing cataclysmic had happened to the night elves in many thousands of years. So she either wanted Teldrassil to happen or she wasn't actively helping her sister. It would have made more sense to have the Wardens burn Teldrassil or for the Kaldorei to go genocide some other group.

I know this writing is jumbled to hell and back, but this is the canon.

Just rewatched the video, Elune heard the cries for help of the Winter Queen and when the burning of Teldrassil happened she sent the souls of the elves to Ardenweald.
The events are a little hazy but it went like this if i understand correctly: the Jailer hijacks the anima flow hence the drought; the Winter Queen asks for help; Sylvanas burns the tree (in spite and to send more souls to the maw) and then Elune sends the souls to Ardenweald

Edit - is logical to presume Elune would have sent all NElf souls to Ardenweald anyway even without Teldrassil burning

[FelPlague]

The post you were replying to says:
The Dragonriding outside of Dragon Isles feature is coming "later in Dragonflight" meaning before 11.0. Do you read your own posts?

Wanna point out pre-patch is still considered part of the expansion.
But I wouldnt take much promise in word like that, we shall see.

[Cheezits]

I have my doubts on Dragonriding fully accessed till 11.0, regardless of what they said. If they are stressing "early access" for the Mythic Somnowl, and maybe the CE skin, they will want them to be special for a while for FOMO.

Not to take the cynical approach but it makes more sense to have Gryphons (if that is the CE) and Somnowl dragonriding be gated until 11.0. And if they do that maybe they'll just postpone all other old mounts. Maybe dragons will get unlocked?

[Eeram]

The post you were replying to says:
The Dragonriding outside of Dragon Isles feature is coming "later in Dragonflight" meaning before 11.0. Do you read your own posts?

I mean, Do we consider Pre patch befor next expansion as Dragonflight still or is it considered Voidstorm?
Could see dragonriding outside the isle as a Pre expansion thing

[huth]

Is this not them talking about the dragon riding cups in kalim/ek?

I think your memory needs training. We literally found spells to switch between Dynamic and Static flying. That is where we got the names from, for that matter.

[Cheezits]

Edit - is logical to presume Elune would have sent all NElf souls to Ardenweald anyway even without Teldrassil burning

Most of the anger over that development was that Elune didn't just intervene and save everyone at Teldrassil. Which still doesn't have an explanation other than "she can't because X" or "she let them die to help WQ", the latter of which pissed people off as Elune was formerly shown to be super benevolent.

While I'm not sure it was ever answered why she didn't or couldn't help, I think that her not helping does well to establish her as a true goddess and not just a narrative pet for Nelves to do anything and overcome any challenge because they are the Elune Race.

[Nokster10]

This thread has turned from speculation about the future to a delusional person named Teriz stating opinions as facts and a bunch of people arguing with said delusional person. You love to see it

[Leowyld]

Just rewatched the video, Elune heard the cries for help of the Winter Queen and when the burning of Teldrassil happened she sent the souls of the elves to Ardenweald.
The events are a little hazy but it went like this if i understand correctly: the Jailer hijacks the anima flow hence the drought; the Winter Queen asks for help; Sylvanas burns the tree (in spite and to send more souls to the maw) and then Elune sends the souls to Ardenweald

Edit - is logical to presume Elune would have sent all NElf souls to Ardenweald anyway even without Teldrassil burning

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I wouldn't be surprised if she sent the elves who died during Sylvanas' march across Ashenvale and Darkshore there, too. But there just weren't as many.

Most of the anger over that development was that Elune didn't just intervene and save everyone at Teldrassil. Which still doesn't have an explanation other than "she can't because X" or "she let them die to help WQ", the latter of which pissed people off as Elune was formerly shown to be super benevolent.

While I'm not sure it was ever answered why she didn't or couldn't help, I think that her not helping helps establish her as a true goddess and not just a narrative pet for Nelves to do anything.

Does she have a history of directly intervening to stop elves from dying? Because while Teldrassil may have been one of their worst tragedies, it wasn't their first.

[Ersula]

Do you have an example of a major feature of an expansion being datamined almost 2 years earlier in the previous expansion?

That depends entirely on your own subjective classification of what counts as a major feature: The dynamic camera angles used in Dragonriding first appeared in the game during BFA.

Wanna point out pre-patch is still considered part of the expansion.

Sus. Regardless, it's 99% ready to go now. And 11.0 is 7 months away at the very soonest.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I wouldn't be surprised if she sent the elves who died during Sylvanas' march across Ashenvale and Darkshore there, too. But there just weren't as many.

That's even more alarming since 1.)For the most part Night Elves would have gone to Ardenweald anyway. So that's not really "helping" for them to die at a normal rate. 2.) If she can actively choose where they go that means she's circumventing the Arbiter.

[FelPlague]

That depends entirely on your own subjective classification of what counts as a major feature: The dynamic camera angles used in Dragonriding first appeared in the game during BFA.Sus. Regardless, it's 99% ready to go now. And 11.0 is 7 months away at the very soonest.

How do you know its 99% ready to go?

[huth]

How do you know its 99% ready to go?

The only thing that is missing is the ability for us to switch to Dragonriding mounts outside of the cups. Everything else was already available in 10.0.

[Ersula]

How do you know its 99% ready to go?

Because the EK cup has fully functional Dragonriding. Do you even play WoW?

The only thing that is missing is the ability for us to switch to Dragonriding mounts outside of the cups. Everything else was already available in 10.0.

We wouldn't even need that since the mount summoning abilities themselves are designated "Dragonriding" or "normal".

[Marlamin]

I think the only thing left to test is switching between static/dynamic flying as that part of the system wasn't implemented when we last saw it. Hopefully that'll work without dismounting.

EDIT: Also, mounts that can do both, we don't have those yet even though I think it is theoretically possible data wise at least.

[FelPlague]

Because the EK cup has fully functional Dragonriding. Do you even play WoW?
We wouldn't even need that since the mounts summoning abilities themselves are designated "Dragonriding" or "normal".

Yes but how does that mean dragon riding is 99% ready to be enabled in every old world zone and with every mount?

[Ersula]

Yes but how does that mean dragon riding is 99% ready to be enabled in every old world zone and with every mount?

Nobody said every mount.

[Mrpms]

Since it's leak season and it's fun speculating, figured I would throw out some things that I believe we might see and some I hope we do

- I believe mostly everyone is correct with Avaloren. Western seas expansion seems like the obvious hints they are dropping.
- Additional support specs are likely. Maybe one or two to start with but more trickle through with patches. I would expect Shaman Tidesage and a Rogue Bard as the ones to release at launch or pre-patch.
- I think it will have a still active remnant of the Black Empire that "heretic" titankeepers have joined and a new 5th Old God. And it won't be like the Titans described, with it being more hospitable. Maybe in the infinite possibilities they saw the best way to achieve their goals was to not be like the other old gods and twist things to their will. Will probably be setting a stage for a cosmic throwdown with void/light coming to a head probably the following xpac
- New Green dragon subrace after the new ptr book came out seems like a given now.
- Hopefully more account wide changes. Rep/renown seems like the easiest win. Soulbound account transfer is a pipedream but a man can dream
- more dwarves means we will get one more "WOONS by Magni just for the memes
- Qwik said no pirates but didn't say anything about merchant guilds or enterprises. I suspect they are trying to be sneaky like that throw us off after all the hints and cosmetics pointing that way
- suspect the new insectoid black empire races will be present. Fun guess: butterfly/moth/caterpillar lifecycle type society

[Catastrophy349]

I actually typed up a very long response, although I decided to delete it. Let's get back to speculating, please!

[Teriz]

Demon hunters glaives were datamined in wod alpha.

That would be an item, not a feature.

[Woke it Up]

I don't see why the gryphon couldn't just be a dragon riding only mount for now.