Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ersula]

My guess is that because of what happens to the Thorignir, Odyn will turn the other Keepers hostile towards us and start some "purge" and as a result we go to war against the Titans to prevent this.. So we enlist the aid of the Elemental Lords along with the Incarnate Dragons to fight back against the Keepers. Which all of them get killed resulting in one of them sending a distress beacon to the Titans.
Titans show up to see what happened to the Keepers.. then Iridikron shows himself along with his void allies to attack the Titans when they arrive.

A funny thing about Iridikron's plan seems to be there's a good chance the Titans won't come. They have to keep Sargeras imprisoned. So he just released this horrible void thing on the planet for no purpose. Either that or Amitus comes out of hiding. Or some other titan analog shows up. Elune might come, though situations like seem to be what the Night Warrior were for, given that story about Elune & the Dark One.

[huth]

World of Warcraft: Alestorm
Dwarf and Storm related. And pirates related of course.
Followed by the reclamation of Gilneas in the worgen expansion:
World of WarCraft: Powerwolf

And then we have to dance with the newly introduced Bard class to strengthen the Pattern and avoid the destruction of everything in
World of WarCraft: Saltatio Mortis

[Pheraz]

What would be fun if the Heretics would be pig men.
We got them dog men
The cat men
The bird men
The turtle men
The walrus men
The horse men
Y no pig men though?

[Wangming]

What would be fun if the Heretics would be pig men.
We got them dog men
The cat men
The bird men
The turtle men
The walrus men
The horse men
Y no pig men though?

We do have orcs, don't we?

[Pheraz]

We do have orcs, don't we?

Damn you are right, they are really close to pig men.
But I would prefer fleshier more pink pig men

[Raetary]

What would be fun if the Heretics would be pig men.
We got them dog men
The cat men
The bird men
The turtle men
The walrus men
The horse men
Y no pig men though?

Quillboar say hello.

[Wangming]

It's not all that bad I think. The actual origins in how exactly he made them is s bit fuzzy, but I don't think it's that out there that there was a magical Titan macguffin that let Neltharion dominate minds.

You mean Neltharion himself created the little skinny boys, but did not create them to be obedient to begin with. Instead he needed a Titan plot device that made them obedient to him and him alone to the point of not even other black dragons could use it. And everyone was totally find with that.
The mind control plot device had a short signal range so it had to be taken into battle where it can conveniently be destroyed. Also it was made from materials that can be destroyed by the abilities they are going up against.
There was no backup device nor any failsafe to kill off the dracthyr if the break free from mind control or the control device gets stolen by the enemy.
After the device was destroyed the dracthyr was locked away because they were too strong to kill. But they didn't design the statis chambers to fail in time even though that would be a pretty good way to kill them all.
Even though the mind control design did not exist the dracthyr were still ready to receive their new orders from Neltharion. So why was the device even needed?

[huth]

You mean Neltharion himself created the little skinny boys, but did not create them to be obedient to begin with. Instead he needed a Titan plot device that made them obedient to him and him alone to the point of not even other black dragons could use it. And everyone was totally find with that.
The mind control plot device had a short signal range so it had to be taken into battle where it can conveniently be destroyed. Also it was made from materials that can be destroyed by the abilities they are going up against.
There was no backup device nor any failsafe to kill off the dracthyr if the break free from mind control or the control device gets stolen by the enemy.
After the device was destroyed the dracthyr was locked away because they were too strong to kill. But they didn't design the statis chambers to fail in time even though that would be a pretty good way to kill them all.
Even though the mind control design did not exist the dracthyr were still ready to receive their new orders from Neltharion. So why was the device even needed?

Because Neltharion was paranoid. The device wasn't needed, that's actually part of the story.

But he was so afraid of his warriors suddenly turning on him in a Nanowar (of Steel) that he just never checked and immediately used the gauntlet.

[Yus atath]

Where is Tyr? Is he dead?

[Wangming]

Because Neltharion was paranoid. The device wasn't needed, that's actually part of the story.

But he was so afraid of his warriors suddenly turning on him in a Nanowar (of Steel) that he just never checked and immediately used the gauntlet.

If he was so paranoid, why didn't his plan include a failsafe? Because it really didn't. I'm amazed his secret weapons survived his death.

[Raetary]

Where is Tyr? Is he dead?

Tyr's been dead for ages.

This expansion we built him a new body and are trying to get his memories back in.

[seainma]

Because Neltharion was paranoid. The device wasn't needed, that's actually part of the story.

But he was so afraid of his warriors suddenly turning on him in a Nanowar (of Steel) that he just never checked and immediately used the gauntlet.

Speaking of Neltharion and control devices. What do you guys think they will do with Adamanthia? As far as I'm aware she is still healing up after being stuck in torture for over 10k years.

Blizzard has been pretty good with tyeing up loose stories in this expansion. I wonder if she'll have a bigger role or will just be a side character.

[huth]

If he was so paranoid, why didn't his plan include a failsafe? Because it really didn't. I'm amazed his secret weapons survived his death.

His failsafe was shoving them into the stasis vaults and leaving them there. Also remember that he wasn't exactly sane at that point. Aberrus makes it clear his corruption predates the creation of the Dracthyr. Also remember that they did in fact fail safe. The whole thing was predicated on him never actually making sure any of his measures served any actual purpose.

This particular "weapon" survived his death by dint of being completely inaccessible to anybody at the time.

[Ersula]

You mean Neltharion himself created the little skinny boys, but did not create them to be obedient to begin with. Instead he needed a Titan plot device that made them obedient to him and him alone to the point of not even other black dragons could use it. And everyone was totally find with that.
The mind control plot device had a short signal range so it had to be taken into battle where it can conveniently be destroyed. Also it was made from materials that can be destroyed by the abilities they are going up against.
There was no backup device nor any failsafe to kill off the dracthyr if the break free from mind control or the control device gets stolen by the enemy.
After the device was destroyed the dracthyr was locked away because they were too strong to kill. But they didn't design the statis chambers to fail in time even though that would be a pretty good way to kill them all.
Even though the mind control design did not exist the dracthyr were still ready to receive their new orders from Neltharion. So why was the device even needed?

Is the gauntlet really a plot device if it has nothing to do with the plot? Does it serve any purpose other than setting up the Evoker Legendary weapon? We already knew he started communing with the void in other ways that have nothing to do with the Drakthyr.

[huth]

Is the gauntlet really a plot device if it has nothing to do with the plot? Does it serve any purpose other than setting up the Evoker Legendary weapon? We already knew he started communing with the void in other ways that have nothing to do with the Drakthyr.

I'd say it's more of a MacGuffin, especially since it gets destroyed before it can really be used for much of anything.

[Samin]

i have seen one of the fake leaks, and it mentioned something that was datamined quite some time ago, which i totally forgot about.

- The Azure Worldchiller (Mount for the Anniversary event shortly after blizzcon)

and this got me thinking about a few things.

Why is the Primalist Future a snowy area? With Vyranoth supposedly joining us and getting empowered by the world tree, nothing bad can happen from that right?
Besides Razageth's clear storm theme, Vyranoth's ice theme is the closest that could work for a storm. I mean a blizzard (hmm) is nothing but a very cold storm. So a Stormrider Mount for a snow storm?
From the 10.2 ptr quests, Vyranaoth seems to get other dragons into the fold, notably the stormdrakes of the broken isles, which a part of them where the Squallhunters, fitting for a Squally pet? Even if not that, most Squall named elementals in the game are ice or water elementals.

Basically, i think we are in a rude awakening post 10.2, with Vyranoth turning on Alextrazsa, getting her new world tree empowered skills into motion.

How I see it, Iridikron still fucked off to the void and corrupted Fyrakk through shadowflame leaving Vyranoth again as basically the sole leader of the Primalists under whom they won. That's why "their future" is so frosty.

Obviously there is an even simpler explaination - we only see a small part of that timeline and maybe that area is just ruled by Vyranoth while Fyrakk is probably somewhere around Blackrock or Hyjal, Raz is maybe chilling in Stormpeaks and Iridikron is having fun in Kalimdor or whereever.

[Zers Editor]

Tyr's been dead for ages.

This expansion we built him a new body and are trying to get his memories back in.

Speaking of his memories.

His death ("corrupted" Alexstrasza, his speech about the mortals) was never meant to be installed into his new body, it was not the part of Tyr's instructions. This will definitely play the important part in the future.

[Wangming]

His failsafe was shoving them into the stasis vaults and leaving them there. Also remember that he wasn't exactly sane at that point. Aberrus makes it clear his corruption predates the creation of the Dracthyr. Also remember that they did in fact fail safe. The whole thing was predicated on him never actually making sure any of his measures served any actual purpose.

This particular "weapon" survived his death by dint of being completely inaccessible to anybody at the time.

And this is exactly why the whole thing is retarded.
Has the same energy of Sidious asking the Trade Federation things to do and only succeeding in his long game because the TF messes up every order they are given.
If your story needs the characters to be stupid to work it is not a very good story.

[Ersula]

And this is exactly why the whole thing is retarded.
Has the same energy of Sidious asking the Trade Federation things to do and only succeeding in his long game because the TF messes up every order they are given.
If your story needs the characters to be stupid to work it is not a very good story.

But there is a narrative reason for all that: He didn't plan on going crazy. By the time he was full-on evil, he wasn't thinking rationally at all. It's not unlike Malygos thinking he can declare war on the entire world.

[Makabreska]

Y no pig men though?

Alr got em covered: