Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joszef Kiprich]

Don't we have that already since Cata?

[Imotbh]

Not really. One can maybe argue the airlock system used in Zaralek which allows them to preload other maps while on another one as well as seamlessly transfer players between them, could theoretically be used to tie together maps at certain points to give the illusion of larger maps (provided they improve upon it since the Zaralek transition can be a bit buggy at times).

As always there are very small things that show up in the client itself that either aren't used yet, are for something internal or are for another branch like 1.15.x so it's hard to tell if any of that will end up being for 11.0 or not, but I haven't seen anything that implies a larger world or anything like that.

Just a thought reading your post: they could use this tie Silvermoon and the surrounding zones to EK, removing the loading screen. Couldn't they? Same with Azuremyst. Imagine if this had been done in SL with the transition between zones

[PotHockets]

I think we can all agree we like it when we're present in major events, but pretending your personal character is this major mythical hero given a non-descript title like "The Mawwalker" or "Hero of Light" is cringe. Let the game acknowledge that there are many heroes in this world.

My character has killed gods and stopped tyrants. Helped with revolutions and rebellions. Is friends with iconic warcraft characters according to in game lore. Personally I think being just an adventurer in a nearly 20 year old MMO is cringe.

[Auxis]

Don't we have that already since Cata?

Have what?

[Hitei]

It's a bad MMO because it's a bad MMO, not because of the storytelling.

It's bad storytelling for an MMO. If storytelling doesn't serve the purpose of the storytelling, it's not good storytelling. It's one of the first things that dropped the game's quality for me in beta.

[Leowyld]

It's bad storytelling for an MMO. If storytelling doesn't serve the purpose of the storytelling, it's not good storytelling. It's one of the first things that dropped the game's quality for me in beta.

It's a matter of opinion. I don't play SWTOR, myself. But it feels to me when I hear people praise that game for any reason, it is specifically for the storytelling.

[Wangming]

It's bad storytelling for an MMO. If storytelling doesn't serve the purpose of the storytelling, it's not good storytelling. It's one of the first things that dropped the game's quality for me in beta.

Is there a point to this pseudointellectual drivel?

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It's a matter of opinion. I don't play SWTOR, myself. But it feels to me when I hear people praise that game for any reason, it is specifically for the storytelling.

It definitely sells the class fantasy, and since each class story tells you more pieces of the puzzle it gives it greater replayability.

[Makorus]

It's bad storytelling for an MMO. If storytelling doesn't serve the purpose of the storytelling, it's not good storytelling. It's one of the first things that dropped the game's quality for me in beta.

What?

What does "bad storytelling for an MMO" even mean? What the fuck is "good storytelling for an MMO"?

[Revamp Man]

They actually explained that whole thing in the Danuser interview from Nobbel.

Basically, it's not so much that we're the chosen ones, it's more so that the Progenitors put those relics and whatnot in place for mortals to use if the Universe ever hit that type of eventuality. As for the Maw Walker stuff? That's just an eventuality Death guys see as a "prophecy". It's akin to IRL prophecies and whatnot. A lot of it is BS, a lot of it isn't, etc.

As for why we in particular are the ones to activate said relics? Idk, I think Azeroth was given a special Progenitor gift tbh.

So if it was for mortals how come it only reacted to us and not the other mortals?

[Dragon ANX]

Not really. One can maybe argue the airlock system used in Zaralek which allows them to preload other maps while on another one as well as seamlessly transfer players between them, could theoretically be used to tie together maps at certain points to give the illusion of larger maps (provided they improve upon it since the Zaralek transition can be a bit buggy at times).

As always there are very small things that show up in the client itself that either aren't used yet, are for something internal or are for another branch like 1.15.x so it's hard to tell if any of that will end up being for 11.0 or not, but I haven't seen anything that implies a larger world or anything like that.

Thank you for your insight!

I see, the airlock system could be used for other situations like the open sea as @Nymrohd said, i could see it used for a Beyond the Storm like expansion.

[Revamp Man]

Isn't it because we have the Hearth of Azeroth? I though that was connection.

Nope apparently it's any mortals which still makes 0 sense but it's SL writing sooooo

[Hitei]

Is there a point to this pseudointellectual drivel?

Interesting take for a post offering absolutely no fucking point.

What?

What does "bad storytelling for an MMO" even mean? What the fuck is "good storytelling for an MMO"?

It means that MMOs by design involve the fundamental obstacle that many players are going to do any given activity, which makes writing a storyline as if you are the only person doing a thing and your specific choices are the ones that matter a great way to completely break immersion and have an entire experience feel silly. Much like Legion asking every paladin to pretend they are the Highlord and the person weilding Ashbringer. Only SWTOR does this all over the place with storybeats everywhere, resulting in a whole lot of just goofy.

[Leowyld]

It means that MMOs by design involve the fundamental obstacle that many players are going to do any given activity, which makes writing a storyline as if you are the only person doing a thing and your specific choices are the ones that matter a great way to completely break immersion and have an entire experience feel silly. Much like Legion asking every paladin to pretend they are the Highlord and the person weilding Ashbringer. Only SWTOR does this all over the place with storybeats everywhere, resulting in a whole lot of just goofy.

Isn't Legion one of the most beloved expansions? I see why that could be seen as an issue, but I don't think most players see it is a big negative.

[Hitei]

Isn't Legion one of the most beloved expansions? I see why that could be seen as an issue, but I don't think most players see it is a big negative.

Legion is remembered fondly for good initial content releases, strong raid tiers, Suramar, and interesting story beats. It also saw tons of complaining at the time for how dumb the idea that everyone is an artifact weilding commander of their entire class's collective efforts. This isn't an issue of overall quality of expansions, it's a debate about the level of narrative focus given to the player character, spanning from being a no name unimportant soldier doing small tasks to being the chosen prophesized savior of a cosmic realm. Legion is on the far bad end of expansions for this aspect.

[Ersula]

Isn't Legion one of the most beloved expansions? I see why that could be seen as an issue, but I don't think most players see it is a big negative.

Yes, but that one stands out because that was the one period where they managed to balance it well: You were constantly with other adventurers who were doing stuff as epic as you were. The characters didn't single you out as being a messiah figure or the single hope for the world, but also you got to be the owner of a super unique legendary lore weapon.

[Wangming]

Interesting take for a post offering absolutely no fucking point.



It means that MMOs by design involve the fundamental obstacle that many players are going to do any given activity, which makes writing a storyline as if you are the only person doing a thing and your specific choices are the ones that matter a great way to completely break immersion and have an entire experience feel silly. Much like Legion asking every paladin to pretend they are the Highlord and the person weilding Ashbringer. Only SWTOR does this all over the place with storybeats everywhere, resulting in a whole lot of just goofy.

Except SWTOR specifically asks you to assemble a strike force whenever you do dungeons. Granted this falls appart when you reach KOTFE and even Smugglers and Agents are asked to sit on the damned throne.
But having at least the leveling experience tailored to your class in a story where you and what you want actually matters is much better than being forced to do something that your character would have absolutely fuck all reason to care about.

[Nightshade711]

Thank you for your insight!

I see, the airlock system could be used for other situations like the open sea as @Nymrohd said, i could see it used for a Beyond the Storm like expansion.

I wonder if they could use “storm riding” to get to the new continent (and/or new zones added in patches) using this system.

Someone mentioned it could be like the Kessel run which I could see them using this system for.
Now how fun that’d actually be in practice is yet to be seen.

[Leowyld]

Legion is remembered fondly for good initial content releases, strong raid tiers, Suramar, and interesting story beats. It also saw tons of complaining at the time for how dumb the idea that everyone is an artifact weilding commander of their entire class's collective efforts. This isn't an issue of overall quality of expansions, it's a debate about the level of narrative focus given to the player character, spanning from being a no name unimportant soldier doing small tasks to being the chosen prophesized savior of a cosmic realm. Legion is on the far bad end of expansions for this aspect.

Ah, so people hated the Class Order Halls, then? I liked it, myself. So, I didn't know.

[Yunravel]

Legion is remembered fondly for good initial content releases, strong raid tiers, Suramar, and interesting story beats. It also saw tons of complaining at the time for how dumb the idea that everyone is an artifact weilding commander of their entire class's collective efforts. This isn't an issue of overall quality of expansions, it's a debate about the level of narrative focus given to the player character, spanning from being a no name unimportant soldier doing small tasks to being the chosen prophesized savior of a cosmic realm. Legion is on the far bad end of expansions for this aspect.

I'd rather be the "chosen prophesized savior of a cosmic realm", leader of a class convenant, than an npc next to dev self insert characters, standing still in cutscenes like it was the case during BfA/SL/Dragonflights

but whatever

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Majority of people i've interacted across years with have been positive about class order halls from legion, it was cool to finally being kinda rewarded for the class you're playing and having that class specific content and history instead of just going who the fuck knows where and just being another nameless lackey.

I'd rather be the "chosen prophesized savior of a cosmic realm", leader of a class convenant, than an npc next to dev self insert characters, standing still in cutscenes like it was the case during BfA/SL/Dragonflights

but whatever

Same.


Like someone mentioned, whenever i see that someone just wants to be "an nameless adventurer" at this point in history of retail wow.. Is pretty "cringe".