Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ebonn]

One thing I've noticed consistently is people seem to decide characters, factions and even lore just freezes exactly at a moment they like/prefer and refuse to acknowledge any of the years of content or growth after. It's why you see insane Sylvanas psychos who in their head canon, is still behaving exactly as she did in WotLK. Every time we have any development or progress with characters you have people come out of the wood work to talk about how Blizzard is ignoring their own lore because characters are behaving differently than in their debut expansion pack 15 years ago.

HARD agree!

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I forgot to quote, but to Huth’s last post: I disagree, I think to an average human on Azeroth, they would t know shit about what’s actually going on. All they have to hear, one single time, is that Sylvanas got sent to Hell to release the spirits of people wrongfully places there, and no amount of horrors would top the sentiment to an individual that thinks she saved their granpappy or granmammy.

[huth]

...In order to ultimately fix it. You can blame her for being naïve enough to believe the Jailer, but her goal was to fix something that had no other feasible solution. Once Argus was killed, everything was borked.

Sure, she claims she was trying to fix it. But she never actually accomplished anything towards that end, so the Goldshire peasant still has no reason to feel grateful.

[Ersula]

Sure, she claims she was trying to fix it. But she never actually accomplished anything towards that end, so the Goldshire peasant still has no reason to feel grateful.

I think they're mostly talking about her helping fight the Jailer at the Sepulcher, which she did do. Canonically it was Jaina, Bolvar, Uther & Sylvanas who beat the Jailer.

[Merryck]

When did WoW lore become so much about the struggle for self-determinism ... Seems like a narrative favourite of Danuser, Dasnoozer, Daloser

[huth]

I think they're mostly talking about her helping fight the Jailer at the Sepulcher, which she did do. Canonically it was Jaina, Bolvar, Uther & Sylvanas who beat the Jailer.

No, it was the Mawwalkers. None of those four even participated in the fight against Zovaal, they were busy holding up his reinforcements.

[Ersula]

When did WoW lore become so much about the struggle for self-determinism ... Seems like a narrative favourite of Danuser, Dasnoozer, Daloser

Wasn't that Illidan's whole thing?

No, it was the Mawwalkers. None of those four even participated in the fight against Zovaal, they were busy holding up his reinforcements.

That's still helping tho. They led the excursion. If you have someone guarding your rear flank so you don't get surrounded, that's still participating in the fight.

[Swnem]

Is there any chance 10.2.7 will already be the prepatch? That would certainly explain the absence.

Dude... were you one of the guys that made up a leak? I saw the same mistake before in one of those.
Pre-patch is always something point zero.
In this case, pre-patch for next expansion will be 11.0.X.
Pre-patch for Dragonflight was 10.0.X.

Pre-patch is the initial patch of every expansion before the content is opened up. It's never a patch of the previous expansion.

[Merryck]

I wish Illidan was back in the story ... he had raw masculine energy. Everyone is so flaccid these days. No doubt the influence of Danuser.

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Tyr has potential in this area. Refined masculinity. He can be the new pater patriae

[huth]

That's still helping tho. They led the excursion. If you have someone guarding your rear flank so you don't get surrounded, that's still participating in the fight.

They followed us. They didn't lead anything. Nor could they, as without us, they wouldn't have been able to even get there.

[Ersula]

Sylvanas and co are helping by fending off the Mawsworn whilist we battle the Jailer at the Heart of Eternity. It's quite literally a case of them being the "aid" while we do the main fight, which in earlier expacs (Namely talking about Classic (Tho Classic is not an expac lol) through Cata to even MoP) wasn't so much the case most of the time.

It was quite literally a role reversal.

We weren't talking about who got the killshot. She was part of the final battle & people know that. The point is, she participated. She didn't "do nothing" to stop the jailer. If this is the standard Thrall has never done anything for anybody.

[Polybius]

I wish Illidan was back in the story ... he had raw masculine energy. Everyone is so flaccid these days. No doubt the influence of Danuser.

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Tyr has potential in this area. Refined masculinity. He can be the new pater patriae

Felt like edgelord energy more than anything, the modern day faux troll. Sacrifices had to be made, but he couldn't even manage to explain himself since he always pushed others away and killed all their trust in him. That ultimately led to his death.

[Merryck]

Felt like edgelord energy more than anything, the modern day faux troll. Sacrifices had to be made, but he couldn't even manage to explain himself since he always pushed others away and killed all their trust in him. That ultimately led to his death.

He got better.

[maplesyrupgl]

[Sebashtian]

Ayo??? What's your source on that?

[Paula Deen]

Unless Iridikron is BREZING his sister I highly doubt thats it. Razageth was known as the Tempest. I guess it is possible rather they use the essence of Galakrond to empower her? But I just don't see them doing that.

[Woggmer]

No buildup is not the same as “I missed all the buildup.” I just recently replayed Tirisfal Glades and being a fan of the Forsaken in general, it’s pretty clear that she had plenty of buildup and background, a lot more than many other characters. Saying there’s “no buildup” is pretty wild. That being said, it’s a video game that is 30 years old (franchise) so if they don’t come up with brand new stuff sometimes… honestly what do you expect? This is one of the most infuriating things to me to hear from other gamers. Developing new content means introducing brand new events and plot turns and characters and feelings and ideologies sometimes. Not everything can have a 2, 5, 10, whatever number of years to buildup when we’ve already been going through those established bits for 20 years.

It's not so much the outrage on Lilian Voss herself, but on Shandris and the Night Elves for accepting aid from the Forsaken (who were responsible for destroying their home and displacing a lot of them [It's unknown which Night Elves survived or not aside from a few familiar names in Amirdrassil]). Night Elves (and Night Elf players) have a hard time accepting any aid from the Forsaken after happened.. even if they didn't fully agree with Sylvanas.

It's not to say that some Night Elves can't be friends with the Forsaken-- but it is considered unrealistic if ALL Night Elves were friendly with them or to accept the ones that don't share Sylvanas's ideology. Some countries and factions can still hold grudges for years, decades or even centuries...

If anything, this can lead to the stipulation that a small portion of Night Elves that seek peace will stay in the Dragon Isles/Amirdrassil... the ones that don't want to forgive the Forsaken will end up joining Greymane or whatever faction that is against the Forsaken. That would be the most accurate outcome.

[Dragon ANX]

What i'm lookin at exactly?
Tempest? warcraft 3?

[Eeram]

i saw it on Reddit but ima be honest idk how to read these things so but i can tell you my gf looked over at it while i was trying to read it an said "it says .net so its probably real" so on my queens authority the next wow expansion is World of warcraft Tempest

[Polybius]

AFAIK they don't use 'blizzard.net'

Can someone verify?

[maplesyrupgl]

What i'm lookin at exactly?
Tempest? warcraft 3?

https://crt.sh/?q=Blizzard

Blizzard just reserved a domain called "tempest".

Next expack could be WoW:Tempest, or it could be something else. But Dragonflight leaked this way also.