Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Reive]

The "This week in WoW" is kinda late today, no ?

no in 5 mins it's going to be usual time for it.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I think Dragonflight hit a great balance. The villains are nuanced, the dark stuff isn't needlessly edgy, and the emotion is strong.

Well i have to disagree with that, i think the balance in dragonflight so far in many situations is pretty much one sided in direction they took.

There's nothing that i will ever come back to personally, when it comes to watching stuff back again like from some other expansions.
Maybe 10.2+ and later patches will have better pacing, but overall vibe of writing these "strong" emotions feel weak and not impactful so far.

But this is just my opinion and you have yours, none is more important than the other, we're just sharing our experience.

I mean yeah the action was great and Slyvanas splitting the helm instead of putting it on was great. But I saw people here looking forward to the Bolvar giving Sylvanas a good beating and he didn't even land a single hit. Uhh.

Yeah and then Bolvar pretty much did nothing for the whole expansion, ye he was involved in some quests but overall i don't remember anything cool that he actually did.

[Valysar]

Its Columbus Day/Indigenous Peoples Day, a federal holiday.

Expect it tomorrow.

Oh okay

no in 5 mins it's going to be usual time for it.

Thought it was 7pm, my bad

[Skildar]

I mean yeah the action was great and Slyvanas splitting the helm instead of putting it on was great. But I saw people here looking forward to the Bolvar giving Sylvanas a good beating and he didn't even land a single hit. Uhh.

You can feel it through all shadowlands that they didn't know what story to tell with most of the characters. Bolvar, the four horsemen, Baine, Calia. It was painful but the cinematic in itself is, in my opinion, a hundred times better than the one of BfA. It just lack a bit of storytelling to it. Bfa didn't have that either but they tried to place a monologue from Sylvanas that still to this day means nothing to me...
"Alliances forged and broken. We have paid the price for sharing this world. We have forgotten what makes us strong" this is so random and meaningless it makes the one from MoP cinematic epic and profound

[Ersula]

You can feel it through all shadowlands that they didn't know what story to tell with most of the characters. Bolvar, the four horsemen, Baine, Calia. It was painful but the cinematic in itself is, in my opinion, a hundred times better than the one of BfA. It just lack a bit of storytelling to it. Bfa didn't have that either but they tried to place a monologue from Sylvanas that still to this day means nothing to me...
"Alliances forged and broken. We have paid the price for sharing this world. We have forgotten what makes us strong" this is so random and meaningless it makes the one from MoP cinematic epic and profound

They released a short story explaining what the Horsemen were doing. As well as explaining Bolvar was losing control of himself.

I mean yeah the action was great and Slyvanas splitting the helm instead of putting it on was great. But I saw people here looking forward to the Bolvar giving Sylvanas a good beating and he didn't even land a single hit. Uhh.

I never understood why people expected Sylvanas to be the underdog in that fight. She several centuries of battle & weird magical stuff behind her...and Bolvar doesn't have anything like that.

[Reive]

The "This week in WoW" is kinda late today, no ?

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic...ctober-9-2023/

here we go

Well, looks like it's going to be a classic week. let's try again next week lol

[Paula Deen]

You can feel it through all shadowlands that they didn't know what story to tell with most of the characters. Bolvar, the four horsemen, Baine, Calia. It was painful but the cinematic in itself is, in my opinion, a hundred times better than the one of BfA. It just lack a bit of storytelling to it. Bfa didn't have that either but they tried to place a monologue from Sylvanas that still to this day means nothing to me...
"Alliances forged and broken. We have paid the price for sharing this world. We have forgotten what makes us strong" this is so random and meaningless it makes the one from MoP cinematic epic and profound

I think the wowhead speculation from about a year ago was right. That the original concept for the expansion was that the jailer was a good guy being controlled by the Runecarver was scrapped when people in the writing department realized how much everyone hated him and Sylvanas so they kinda had to rush to get to the end. Either way we got what we got and we can't change the past...well I mean the writers can but they do not have the ability to write something that way...and I am not insulting them either its a very high concept task that I just don't think even most skilled writers can pull off.

Source: https://www.wowhead.com/news/what-if...ulation-326318

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic...ctober-9-2023/

here we go

Well, looks like it's going to be a classic week. let's try again next week lol

12th has a new promo, thats something atleast.

[xputurnameherex]

new promotion though which MAY be good

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Was there something related to Wotlk ICC datamined?

I guess promotion might be just tied to opening of ICC, which is big thing for classic players.

[doledippers]

meh, so only a new promo this week. it's just gonna be a shop item, probably

[xputurnameherex]

nothing datamined iirc

[Valysar]

Was there something related to Wotlk ICC datamined?

I guess promotion might be just tied to opening of ICC, which is big thing for classic players.

There is a nightmare drake, who knows

[Paula Deen]

There is a nightmare drake, who knows

I speculate the Drake is going to be tied to Ruby Shrine.

I also speculate, unless we know for sure something new is here, is that the new promo is going to be Tendies.

[Houle]

I mean yeah the action was great and Slyvanas splitting the helm instead of putting it on was great. But I saw people here looking forward to the Bolvar giving Sylvanas a good beating and he didn't even land a single hit. Uhh.

Not even really that, people where simply hyped about Bolvar finally bringing the force. The way hes been acting in Legion was awfully similar to how Ner'zhul did things in WC3 (being frozen inside the throne, but empowering and using a DK as his champion to further his own goals in the background, while simultaneously working to bring the BL down). It seemed to set him up for something. And then the cinematic still leaked, with him suddenly having blue eyes and a blue helmet gem again. Everything seemed to point at him dropping something big.
And then the actual cinematic released, and he was nothing more than a punching bag for Sylvanas, the helmet was ripped apart, and all of that buildup was immediatly wasted. Just like that.

My personal theory is still that he WAS set up for something in Legion, but the plans changed sometime later. The way he was portrayed there was so fundamentally different from anything that followed.

[Skildar]

They released a short story explaining what the Horsemen were doing. As well as explaining Bolvar was losing control of himself.

That story was great and would recommend it to anyone. But they join you in the Shadowlands and go to the SoD but do nothing, come on! You weren't set up since Legion for so little!

[Paula Deen]

That story was great and would recommend it to anyone. But they join you in the Shadowlands and go to the SoD but do nothing, come on! You weren't set up since Legion for so little!

A lot of modern media has this issue. Its what I call the MCU Effect although its been around since before then.

Lots of Video Games and books (High Republic Star Wars for me) seperates stories out through books, comics, videos, short stories, etc and then expects you to purchase all the products and read all the things to understand whats going on. It doesn't need to be and should not be like that. Blizzard did make a vow to do better about that and in fairness this expansion every bit of side content so far has been free (All the short stories at launch). We will see how that fairs when we come to the new book releasing in a few weeks.

[Skildar]

I think the wowhead speculation from about a year ago was right. That the original concept for the expansion was that the jailer was a good guy being controlled by the Runecarver was scrapped when people in the writing department realized how much everyone hated him and Sylvanas so they kinda had to rush to get to the end. Either way we got what we got and we can't change the past...well I mean the writers can but they do not have the ability to write something that way...and I am not insulting them either its a very high concept task that I just don't think even most skilled writers can pull off.

Source: https://www.wowhead.com/news/what-if...ulation-326318

I'm convinced that things must have been changed many times writing this expansion (Krexus r.i.p.) but I'm not sold on wowhead speculation.

[Paula Deen]

I'm convinced that things must have been changed many times writing this expansion (Krexus r.i.p.) but I'm not sold on wowhead speculation.

I mean you can tell noticeably that between 9.1 and 9.2 the writing team either had a massive change or was given very specific direction. The sharp left turn in presentation was much appreciated but still jarring.

Shout out to Zereth Mortis, redheaded step child of Modern WoW.

[Kiivar86]

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic...ctober-9-2023/

here we go

Well, looks like it's going to be a classic week. let's try again next week lol

Seems I'm wrong, figured a federal holiday...well whatever.

But yeah like I wouldn't really be expecting much at this point, anyway.

[Ersula]

There is a nightmare drake, who knows

It's undoubtedly the Virtual Ticket going on sale. Typically it goes up a full month before blizzcon so we're behind.

I mean you can tell noticeably that between 9.1 and 9.2 the writing team either had a massive change or was given very specific direction. The sharp left turn in presentation was much appreciated but still jarring.

Shout out to Zereth Mortis, redheaded step child of Modern WoW.

How far before expansions go up do you think they get planned? It's definitely the firing of Afrasiabi in june 2020 if its anything.