Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[FelPlague]

I'll be up front. I don't think the Gryphon is the expansion mount. If you look at the past expansion mounts, the detail on them is pretty great. Even the ground mounts from BFA. It's not just as simple as a reskin, there are more details. Even the green dragon from Dragonflight. It's not JUST a green drake. It's gussied up.

The Gryphon, from what we see, is just a recolor.

The gryphon has customization options, so that is what would make it fancy enough.
Especially since that aint even true, the BFA mounts were...

Yeah
and the dreadraven while unique, was not unique for long, as wod's collector edition mount became no longer unique in its very own expansion.

[Woggmer]

Hopefully no new allied races. Character creation menu is bloated as is. Would rather more customisation options

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Half the allied races we have now should just be customisation options

People were upset when they learn "High Elves" weren't their own thing and were just a customization for Void Elves. Even more upsetting that you can play a Darkfallen Night Elf and can't have them be part the Forsaken (even though there are those who chose to stay with them.)

Not suggesting customization options are a bad thing, but if it's the only thing then people will be disappointed.

[Santandame]

It's possible, but I simply don't believe they would tie everything so closely to Dwarves.

We also shouldn't forget that other uses of "Stormrider" are Storm Dragons and Elementals, and that the Gryphons of Storm Riders aren't called Stormriders.

Well, you’re simply going to be wrong.

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Actually it doesn't, just like the Tangled Dreamweaver isn't going to be in patch 10.2 and has nothing to do with the Emerald Dream beyond its name, the Algarian Stormrider might have nothing to do with Khaz Algar outside of also having a similar name. Heck, Khaz Algar might not appear in the next expansion at all..

Remember when we got the Undermine Ferrari as the Shadowlands pre-order mount?

[Makorus]

Just for posteritys sake, and not directed at anyone in particular (*cough cough*)

We already have someone of the "Stormrider" faction.

It's a dwarf with two gryphons.

There's also this.

[Santandame]

My head cannon/prediction is that the “corrupted” Earthen from Khaz Algar are going to be Halflings, which will fit especially so if Khaz Algar is on Avaloren and Avaloren is classic fantasy/Arthurian inspired.

I imagine they’ll be a playable race, either neutral, or for Alliance and only, and the Horde equivalent will be Ogres if that’s the case.

Playable specs for Halflings: Warrior, Rogue, Hunter, Shaman, Druid, Priest, possibly Paladin and Monk.

Playable spec for Ogres: Warrior, Hunter, Mage, Warlock, Shaman, Death Knight, possibly Rogue and Monk.

If we get Bard as a support spec for Rogues then Halflings can help introduce that.

[FelPlague]

People were upset when they learn "High Elves" weren't their own thing and were just a customization for Void Elves. Even more upsetting that you can play a Darkfallen Night Elf and can't have them be part the Forsaken (even though there are those who chose to stay with them.)

Not suggesting customization options are a bad thing, but if it's the only thing then people will be disappointed.

You can also be a high elf blood elf and a dark fallen blood elf.

[Santandame]

Just for posteritys sake, and not directed at anyone in particular (*cough cough*)

We already have someone of the "Stormrider" faction.

It's a dwarf with two gryphons.

There's also this.

Incoming that he’s only considered a stormrider because Shrine of the Storms is nearby and that he’s totally not related and if it is it’s because Stormsong has water elementals.

[Pyrophax]

Why neither and not both? We can still get added customisation to the old races and add in much requested new races like Ogre, Jinyu etc. Best of both worlds. I’ll never understand why people wouldn’t want more playable races. Variety is the spice of life.

Broken and Mok’nathal can be a toggle for Draenei and Orcs.

If Mok'Nathals will be option and not another race - it should be so for other races too. Sub-species as to say.
Orcs, Mag'Hars, Mok'Nathals, red ones to be added.
Humans from SW, big humans from KT, wolf humans from Gilneas, dead people of Lordaeron (kidding, but if we go to unification and neutrality why not).
BE, VE and HE. Distinguish them.
NE, NB, Satyrs.
Draenei, Krokuls, LF ones.
Darkspears, Zandalari, Raventusk. Maybe farraki but why?
Gnomes, mecha diaperswielders.
And dwarves. Bronzebears, DI and WH.

Offcourse there should be heritage armor for each sub-species. And its not like we need to differentiate them in character selection screen. Maybe when picking them there are choosing sides process and bonuses for reputation, racials.

[Makorus]

Incoming that he’s only considered a stormrider because Shrine of the Storms is nearby and that he’s totally not related and if it is it’s because Stormsong has water elementals.

It's clearly an Elemental because an NPC from 15 years ago is an Elemental.

But it's not the Blizzcon mount anymore.

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If Mok'Nathals will be option and not another race - it should be so for other races too. Sub-species as to say.
Orcs, Mag'Hars, Mok'Nathals, red ones to be added.
Humans from SW, big humans from KT, wolf humans from Gilneas, dead people of Lordaeron (kidding, but if we go to unification and neutrality why not).
BE, VE and HE. Distinguish them.
NE, NB, Satyrs.
Draenei, Krokuls, LF ones.
Darkspears, Zandalari, Raventusk. Maybe farraki but why?
Gnomes, mecha diaperswielders.
And dwarves. Bronzebears, DI and WH.

Offcourse there should be heritage armor for each sub-species. And its not like we need to differentiate them in character selection screen. Maybe when picking them there are choosing sides process and bonuses for reputation, racials.

Honestly, they should add a subrace menu like in Clans in FFXIV or in BG3 and just merge most of the Allied Races into that, and make the actual races like Vulpera or Kul'tiran into actual races.

It's weird how Mag'har are an Allied Race, but Eredar aren't, for example.

[Pyrophax]

It's clearly an Elemental because an NPC from 15 years ago is an Elemental.

But it's not the Blizzcon mount anymore.

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Honestly, they should add a subrace menu like in Clans in FFXIV or in BG3 and just merge most of the Allied Races into that, and make the actual races like Vulpera or Kul'tiran into actual races.

It's weird how Mag'har are an Allied Race, but Eredar aren't, for example.

Kul'Tirans are not another race. They are humans, they can breed with other humans. Just in some characters old blood runs thick (Yes, WoT book reference) and they grow larger then others. Jaina, Daelin, Flynn are regular size humans from KT.

Eredars fit more to Allied race concept then LF it is true. But if we are here already - I prefer to redo character creation and character selection screens. Yes, it would require to delete Allied race concept, but alas, its never been good one to begin with.

[Santandame]

My hopium for at least one of things happening -

-Core races Ogres and vrykuls, even if at least one of them will be available i will be happy, vrykuls could be like pandas for both factions.
-Allied races - Mok'nathal for the horde, Broken for Alliance
-New specs - Blademaster or gladiator spec for warriors

But i also hope for a lot more customization options, especially for allied races..

I want much more skin tones that NPC use for mag'har orcs, new eye colors(you still can't use blue eye color on mag'har orcs after many years, full yellow eyes like grommash etc..), necklace options for dude orcs, body scars and new face scars, much more tattoos that aren't just full body tattoos or full body warpaints for races, new hairstyles like some that NPC's use, WoD grommash hair for orcs for example.

Another thing for customization - races x allied races that use the same character model just should have access to all the hairstyles that said race uses, beards and such.

Broken and Mok’nathal I can see as a toggle for Draenei and Orcs.

I do believe that if it is indeed Avaloren next and it’s your typical western, classic, traditional fantasy inspired land based on Avalon with wizards, dragons, knights, witches etc then that Ogres will be a highly likely race to introduce as playable.

As for who they’re paired with, I can’t shake the feeling that we’re finally going to see Halflings in WoW based off the above theory that Avaloren is Avalon as well as the “corrupted” Earthen who are likely infused with life magic. I could definitely see Vrykul as an alternative though, they’re the “giant” race of WoW so they’d fit in with that version of Avaloren.

If we get extra specs I think only a few classes this time round will get them and it’ll be something like:

Shaman - Earthwarder (Tank)
Rogue - Bard (Ranged Support)
Warrior - Gladiator (Melee Support)

[Jolly Roger]

big fish mentioning fisherfolk
storm rider mount
squall pet

"no pirates" but didnt say no seas or sailing....

its ok though guys all of that is just conspiracy theory stuff because blizz never hinted at an expansion with past store mount before

[Makorus]

big fish mentioning fisherfolk
storm rider mount
squall pet

"no pirates" but didnt say no seas or sailing....

its ok though guys all of that is just conspiracy theory stuff because blizz never hinted at an expansion with past store mount before

Fisherfolk just means... a fisher?

You are aware of that, right? Like, it's an actual word in the English language.

Edit: Oh, you are a fake leaker, who cares.

[pacotaco]

So squally is 100% a next xpack pet? Or honestly most likely a store pet we have yet to see.

It's most likely a baby gryphon pet for the Collector's Edition or the pre-purchase (like the murloc Alex or the baby drakonid we had for DF)

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Broken and Mok’nathal I can see as a toggle for Draenei and Orcs.

They could be a toggle, but blizzard would have to come up with completely new system for that and with spaghetti code they have, it could be something really troublesome.
Of course Mok'nathal couldn't be called "orcs" in game as description, they would have to be called "Mok'nathal" and such for broken too, so it could be a problem with toggles to actually separate the two.
Also Mok'nathal would probably have different racials so it's another thing that could be problematic in designing this new system, but who knows maybe they can do something like that.

I always loved rexxar and mok'nathals, when i started playing wow back then when i was young i thought every brown orc is a mok'nathal like rexxar and thats why i wanted to play brown orcs for a long time. ^^
And it goes without saying that they did really awesome job on rexxar model and capturing half-ogres vibe, that i hope other clan members will get some of that too, because rexxar standing next to leoroxx with orc model looks kinda weird now.

[FelPlague]

big fish mentioning fisherfolk
storm rider mount
squall pet

"no pirates" but didnt say no seas or sailing....

its ok though guys all of that is just conspiracy theory stuff because blizz never hinted at an expansion with past store mount before

Yeah I am sure the expac will be likely full of pirates, but not a "pirate" expansion.
Sorta like BFA, it was FULL of pirates, but it was not a "pirate" expansion.

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I very much assume the storm racing stuff will be part of a pre-patch event
Mount is the dragon riding gryphon, including the customization, and maybe those races will also give some customization for it?
(We can see in the datamined gryphon texture some of said customization, through the different beak shapes shown)
Squally likely a small gryphon pet
The storm riders hammers and helmets very likely will be in the november trading post, likely as a "Hey we revealed the expansion, you can buy these now!"
although since the expansion will be revealed on the 3rd, not the 1st, maybe they could be december, or be hidden until the 3rd?

That or they will be obtainable some other way, but it does seem a good place for them, and I think the helmets were datamined with costs connected to them?

[Santandame]

Yeah I am sure the expac will be likely full of pirates, but not a "pirate" expansion.
Sorta like BFA, it was FULL of pirates, but it was not a "pirate" expansion.

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I very much assume the storm racing stuff will be part of a pre-patch event
Mount is the dragon riding gryphon, including the customization, and maybe those races will also give some customization for it?
(We can see in the datamined gryphon texture some of said customization, through the different beak shapes shown)
Squally likely a small gryphon pet
The storm riders hammers and helmets very likely will be in the november trading post, likely as a "Hey we revealed the expansion, you can buy these now!"
although since the expansion will be revealed on the 3rd, not the 1st, maybe they could be december, or be hidden until the 3rd?

That or they will be obtainable some other way, but it does seem a good place for them, and I think the helmets were datamined with costs connected to them?

BfA wasn’t full of pirates. One dungeon and half a zones storyline, as well as two small quest hubs isn’t full of pirates. They were no more prominent than the Sethrak who also had a similar presence and BfA certainly wasn’t full of them.

Full of faction conflict, old god shenanigans and trolls yeah.

[Wangming]

Yeah I am sure the expac will be likely full of pirates, but not a "pirate" expansion.
Sorta like BFA, it was FULL of pirates, but it was not a "pirate" expansion.

Looots of pirate shit this year. FFXIV is also going down the pirate rabbit hole with Dawntrail (and Fan Fest is next week).
And while Genshin Impact is more detective stuff for this version, we are in the water nation with lots of underwater ruins and islands.
There is no point in wondering where SWTOR is going, but TESO could do more pirate stuff.

[FelPlague]

BfA wasn’t full of pirates. One dungeon and half a zones storyline isn’t full of pirates.

Full of faction conflict, old god shenanigans and trolls yeah.

???
"One dungeon and half a zone"
Drustvar had a pirate town
All of tirigarde was pirates, and the entire storyline of that zone, and culimation to all of the zones was pirates. Even some of the desert on zandalar was pirate based and the horde recruits pirates to fight the alliance.
There was not 1 pirate dungeon, there was 2. Did you forget siege of boralus?
Island expeidtions also had a ton of pirates

[Lahis]

They are humans, they can breed with other humans.

By that logic elves, orcs and Draenei are humans.