Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Kiivar86]

I think Sabellian and Wrathion are both doomed to failure in the pursuit of the Obsidian Throne. Ostensibly, Blizzard offered us a “choice.” So now for them to choose a victor is to tell many players that their choice was the wrong one, which they are loathe to do.

It’s going to be a dark horse candidate. Ebonhorn, Iridikron himself, or even a time-displaced Neltharion… I find all of them more likely, given the philosophies of the current writing stable. Iridikron with a face turn being the front runner by that logic, as he is also an original creation of this team.

Eh the choice really isn't much of one since you can change so easily after the weekly reset. It just seems to be a way to make things a bit interesting.

[Fahrad Wagner]

I am very curious about the human heritage storyline. The Defias on the move again, attacking Northshire and robbing Stormwind Keep, and with an unlikely ally (probably Vanessa lets be real) that may have lore implications (if it's Vanessa, who stole the Defias from her?)

They made a point to encrypt these two heritage quests so I think there may be some pretty big details in them. The Defias in the Human one and then Outland shenanigans with Orcs.

Regarding Scarlets: they absolutely will be a plot thread given the BFA foreshadowing and the "Heir of Lordaeron" they seem to have (who is now conveniently aged up post timeskip).

I completely missed the Defias bit, was it datamined? That's very interesting, and could be building up towards a future storyline.
Also is it me or based on the comments on official articles, datamining and the forums, people seem more inclined towards a world revamp? I felt like these pas few years we were quite the minority, but now people are more vocal about it. It could be a post-SL effect, I don't know, maybe it's just an impression...

[Alanar]

Maybe when we get to Avaloren we find that several Scarlet Crusade ships landed there several years ago during WotLK and they've built a small state there.

Id like this.

[Wangming]

That would be completely unfun. Hyping up dragons and the aspects and then "Lol sorry no aspects now."

On one hand, I agree. On the other hand how do you validate the existence of dragon aspects if they can't even deal with their own internal problems without needing help from creatures that haven't even evolved back when they took their office.

[Cheezits]

On one hand, I agree. On the other hand how do you validate the existence of dragon aspects if they can't even deal with their own internal problems without needing help from creatures that haven't even evolved back when they took their office.

Is there a single faction of Warcraft beings that didn't go through a huge change WITHOUT murderhobos?

[Makabreska]

That would be completely unfun. Hyping up dragons and the aspects and then "Lol sorry no aspects now."

And basically a repeat of Cataclysm ending.

[Nymrohd]

No aspects does not have to mean weaker dragons. And they currently do not have aspect powers btw. It is entirely possible for them to NOT empower Aspects anew during Dragonflight. Instead maybe the flights could fight as a whole instead of the entire power being concentrated on one person per flight.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

No aspects does not have to mean weaker dragons. And they currently do not have aspect powers btw. It is entirely possible for them to NOT empower Aspects anew during Dragonflight. Instead maybe the flights could fight as a whole instead of the entire power being concentrated on one person per flight.

It would be stupid. The narrative is about the aspects regaining their power and then "LOl nah" Thats dumb and very similar to cataclysm. No aspects is bad IMO. Spreading that power...for what purpose? Just cuause? Its not like Dragons are weak or anything.

[Cheezits]

Even if the dragons remain "depowered" I can see them still having Aspects as leaders. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't actually get their powers back, so they rely on their flights more (or the power was in you all along!), but there will always be a "faction leader" for each flight.

[Revamp Man]

I'm wondering if the scarlet crusade armor is connected to the mega dungeon in the 10.1.5 patch

Would be interesting to get the human and undead lore after the heritage for humans and the reveal that they are being manipulated by a black dragon

[Fahrad Wagner]

I'm wondering if the scarlet crusade armor is connected to the mega dungeon in the 10.1.5 patch?

It could be! But would it be a standalone storyline or would it somehow be connected to the main story?

[Sondrelk]

I'm wondering if the scarlet crusade armor is connected to the mega dungeon in the 10.1.5 patch

Would be interesting to get the human and undead lore after the heritage for humans and the reveal that they are being manipulated by a black dragon

That's a good thought. Maybe Stratholme to allow some HD models of old weapons, alongside clearing up what is going on there in preparation for a world Revamp, or general human/Forsaken storyline.
I imagine it's a difficult dungeon to remake smaller anyways, and a raid might be overkill.

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It could be! But would it be a standalone storyline or would it somehow be connected to the main story?

With the exception of Karazhan the connection between the main plot ane the dungeon plot has been flimsy at best. Even Karazhan was only relevant because it was demons.

[Wangming]

Is there a single faction of Warcraft beings that didn't go through a huge change WITHOUT murderhobos?

True, but many of those are basic ass humans (or green, or dead, or small humans) that are trusted with little more than a city.

Also we have been doing just fine without Aspects since the Cataclysm.

I swear I'm not trying to be a negative nancy all the time. But I do feel the idea of the Aspects being necessary or competent is not sold really well. It's not like the pillars of creation where they are our only chance of stopping the Legion. What's the urgency? And it's not like they have a good track record. Neltharion got mad and had to be killed. Malygos got mad and had to be killed. Nozdormu will go mad and be killed in Cataclysm. Ysera got corrupted and was killed and is only back cause Malfurion was willing to unalive himself. Would you want to further empower a group where going crazy and evil is so common? I certainly would not.

[Cheezits]

I'm wondering if the scarlet crusade armor is connected to the mega dungeon in the 10.1.5 patch

Would be interesting to get the human and undead lore after the heritage for humans and the reveal that they are being manipulated by a black dragon

I think it has to be Vakthros, the tower in Azure Span that currently hasn't been used but is showcased slightly at the end of the Azure Span campaign. The Blue are getting story in 10.0.5 and aren't the focus, and we have the devs saying Green and Bronze are "future patches", so I think the Blue story could be wrapped up by being the focus of the Mega Dungeon (and they have a giant structure already).

[Fahrad Wagner]

I think it has to be Vakthros, the tower in Azure Span that currently hasn't been used but is showcased slightly at the end of the Azure Span campaign. The Blue are getting story in 10.0.5 and aren't the focus, and we have the devs saying Green and Bronze are "future patches", so I think the Blue story could be wrapped up by being the focus of the Mega Dungeon (and they have a giant structure already).

That would make sense I suppose. I'd be happy with a blue flight focused mega-dungeon

[Sondrelk]

I think it has to be Vakthros, the tower in Azure Span that currently hasn't been used but is showcased slightly at the end of the Azure Span campaign. The Blue are getting story in 10.0.5 and aren't the focus, and we have the devs saying Green and Bronze are "future patches", so I think the Blue story could be wrapped up by being the focus of the Mega Dungeon (and they have a giant structure already).

One has to wonder what it could even be though. Feels like they have already made quintessential Blue Dragonflight dungeons, including Azure Vault.

[Fahrad Wagner]

One has to wonder what it could even be though. Feels like they have already made quintessential Blue Dragonflight dungeons, including Azure Vault.

*insert random chase for an artefact lost eons ego in an underground labyrinth designed by Malygos, and specify the artefact is required to restore Tyr/help the Dream/help Nozdormu* And voilà!

[Wangming]

*insert random chase for a Blue artefact lost eons ego but required to restore Tyr/help the Dream/help Nozdormu + underground blue dragonflight labyrinth* And voilà!

Wanna bet the last thing we need is gonna be the Dragon Soul?

[Fahrad Wagner]

Wanna bet the last thing we need is gonna be the Dragon Soul?

I've been thinking this for weeks haha! Either that, or an equivalent they pull out of nowhere

[Wangming]

I've been thinking this for weeks haha! Either that, or an equivalent they pull out of nowhere

The Dracthyr Soul XD