Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[pacotaco]

in any case, i hope we'll have a new class in the next expansion... in 15 years they've only added 4 :0

I think it's possible now that they don't need to created a new progression system from scratch for every expansion. That leaves them more time and freedom to put work on new classes instead of borrowed power that will throw away 2 years later.

Depending on theme:
- Undermine / Goblin vs Gnome: Tinker
- Death (unlikely so soon): Dark Ranger or Necromancer
- Elemental: Blademaster
- Life / Void: Night Warrior

[Darkarath]

If 11.0 is not a world revamp, they must have a lot of confidence in whatever 11.0 turns out to be. It truly has to be something really amazing, because I cannot see the remaining playerbase being happy about losing a 10.3 patch and not getting a world revamp in 11.0 just for another few new zones that no one cares about.

When Blizzcon happens, and players see this mess, 10.2 will probably not be even out yet. The risk of thousands of players leaving the game for good would be high IMO.

I am hoping that they have put some thought into how they are dealing with their most important franchise, because I am a little bit concerned as of now.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I don't want tinker because i know that blizzard again might just go for 2 races class - Gnomes and goblins..

I prefer new specs unloaded in next expansions that you can at least play with races you like the most.

[Nightshade711]

in any case, i hope we'll have a new class in the next expansion... in 15 years they've only added 4 :0

It would be cool, but I personally doubt it.
The only way I’d see it happening would be if the new class was something that was already worked on & was cut (which according to some theories based on datamining, Tinker was supposed to be in BfA but was cut), or was something they’ve been slowly working on for a while.

[Nyel]

the evoker is indeed rather original and unexpected, i like it when they innovate and think outside the box

but the bard and tinker are class fantasies that have been in demand for so long... i hope we'll be able to experience them one day!

Let’s not act they did a great job with Evoker at first. While Preservation was and is an outright stellar spec, Devastation was an afterthought that played terrible and still is one of the most boring DPS specs out there. Augmentation is well done, but they needed months and months to introduce a third spec and make Devastation remotely interesting. I don’t trust them with new classes because they are pretty devoid of design ideas at this point (most WoW specs are rather unique and already fulfill enough roles). Another support class would be cool though.

[Nightshade711]

I don't want tinker because i know that blizzard again might just go for 2 races class - Gnomes and goblins..

I prefer new specs unloaded in next expansions that you can at least play with races you like the most.

Tbh I think it could very well be part open to all races given that everyone can be an engineer & even spec into Gnomish/Goblin engineering.

Though as for the “mech” I don’t see anyone outside of Gnomes/goblins riding one because of the size issue.
The rest would probably be those claw-packs that we’ve seen.

[Psilent]

I've loved Dragonflight, but it seems like the content is very lacking. Might not be lacking, but maybe it just feels irrelevant after a couple weeks. To be honest, I had a lot more fun running Torghast with friends each week than joining a 40 player zerg to do Researchers Under Fire and Time Rifts.

[Lady Atia]

Certainly if they put more effort into Fated raids with their own unique rewards and what not I could see it working.
Currently though Fated Seasons are an alright fix for post expansion drought. Not a fully fleshed season of content.

More content for fated seasons, and way more effort into Time walking and I think you might be onto something. But currently it would just feel cheap from the developers to have what would be over half a year of Fated Raids in lieu of something new.

Tbf we know that there is atleast one more recolour of the tier set, atleast for Evokers. So that could either be for the season 4 elite set, or if we are lucky it's the reward for season 4's fated raids.

[ro9ue]

I don't want tinker because i know that blizzard again might just go for 2 races class - Gnomes and goblins..

I prefer new specs unloaded in next expansions that you can at least play with races you like the most.

I think Goblin/Gnome are the obvious ones, but would be super conservative.

But I think they could include more that we've seen have some sort of technological interest:

Horde - Goblin, Orc, Blood Elf, Forsaken
Alliance - Gnome, Human, Draenei, Dwarf

[Makorus]

Let’s not act they did a great job with Evoker at first. While Preservation was and is an outright stellar spec, Devastation was an afterthought that played terrible and still is one of the most boring DPS specs out there. Augmentation is well done, but they needed months and months to introduce a third spec and make Devastation remotely interesting. I don’t trust them with new classes because they are pretty devoid of design ideas at this point (most WoW specs are rather unique and already fulfill enough roles). Another support class would be cool though.

Idk, I think Devastation was in a good state after 10.1.

I think the biggest issue with launch Devastation was that for 90% of the beta they had talent interaction that were completely ridiculous and obviously broken, and then changed them last minute and kinda screwed the spec over.

[doledippers]

yall keep saying that the villains aren't memorable in DF, and then cite past expansions' villains. How many times do you want the same warcraft 3 characters rehashed. We've killed KT like 4 times already

[darkvexen]

Dragonflight, but on the ground! so boring

[Wangming]

Haha, I basically said that to someone in Discord when they were shocked I didn't think 10.2 was the final patch. I told them I just didn't feel Druids of the Flame screamed final patch and while I like Fyrakk as a villain, he seems more like a mid expansion villain than end of expansion villain. Also from what I've seen from the PTR the final zone seems very lackluster.

I'm holding out hope we're getting a earlier than normal expansion release because I'm not looking forward to being in 10.2 for over a year and I'm not very thrilled at a Fated 2.0 with VotI and Abberus.. I didn't mind the raids, but they aren't raids I'm itching to get back into any time soon..

Sadly you are also correct about the zone. From all I have seen from it, the Emerald Dream is not dreamy or alien enough. It is closer to Jade Forest than Ardenveald. And while I love JF, a mystical druidic dreamland it is not.

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yall keep saying that the villains aren't memorable in DF,

What's so memorable about them?

[flan1337]

Dwarf looking ogres?

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isnt that background from dragonflight?

[Baraden]

All these new druids forms have me thinking

They really should bring back the saberon model for cat and unlock the other racial moonkin forms like the zandalari and kultiran ones for other races

[milkmustache]

I'll stand pat on the opinion that Iridikron is a legitimately good villain.

Of course, this depends on where he goes. If he ends up just being fodder for a bigger villain, it can go poorly quickly. However, if they keep him true to what it seems his goals are right now, killing the Titans, he can be a really, really fun villain. Even if we get into a poorer relationship with the Titans due to whatever revelations Avaloren/otherside holds, seeing Iridikron gain any success by killing even one Titan would be pretty jarring.

The man may even have aspirations of freeing Sargeras in the long run, even if that's not on his mind at the moment.

[Baraden]

Sadly you are also correct about the zone. From all I have seen from it, the Emerald Dream is not dreamy or alien enough. It is closer to Jade Forest than Ardenveald. And while I love JF, a mystical druidic dreamland it is not.

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What's so memorable about them?

To this day every time I see vyranoth I think it's the winter queen

Iridikron is just the jailer again; super 4d chess villain

Fyrakk the most interesting of the 3 but even so; he's just generic bad guy number 37

Easily some of the dullest villains in WoW; doesn't help that Alexstrasza isn't the most interesting character either

[milkmustache]

Dwarf looking ogres?

Really cool mockup, super well made, but I think ultimately a fake.

The height of the web page is a bit larger than modern web design tends to lean. Look at the Dragonflight page for example; rather than sections taking up a full page's height, they tend to extend just past 2/3rds. The tabs on the edges go a little further out as well, with the same reasoning; to make things easier to read for mobile, a lot of modern web design likes to keep the margins of a page really thick. If there were no "Khaz Algar" or "The Everward" titles, I'd be a bit more sold, but I think it is ultimately a fake.

A really, really well made one at that.

[Baraden]

I'll stand pat on the opinion that Iridikron is a legitimately good villain.

Of course, this depends on where he goes. If he ends up just being fodder for a bigger villain, it can go poorly quickly. However, if they keep him true to what it seems his goals are right now, killing the Titans, he can be a really, really fun villain. Even if we get into a poorer relationship with the Titans due to whatever revelations Avaloren/otherside holds, seeing Iridikron gain any success by killing even one Titan would be pretty jarring.

The man may even have aspirations of freeing Sargeras in the long run, even if that's not on his mind at the moment.

He's just more of the "you foolish mortals won't ever comprehend my plans" trope blizzard has lazily written with sylvanas, the jailer and now him - it's extremely tired at this point

It's okay to give some characters ambiguous/ mysterious motivations but when the main villain for three expansions in a row is someone who is somehow always more informed than anyone else on screen regardless of whatever develops in the story; it's just lame

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Iridikron works as long as he doesn't make himself a raid encounter. The moment he immediately makes himself a raid encounter where the ultimate outcome for him is death his entire character crashes and burns.