Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Wangming]

I mean Arthas was NOT angry. The entire plot of Wrath was how Arthas was calculating and trying to create an elite group undead to use to conquer the world.

Exactly. But it wasn't Gambit of the Lich King. It was Wrath of the Lich King. Probably cause it sounds cool.

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"Don't you guys have Xbox?"

That is essentially what the guy had to say at the NA Fan Fest. A whole ass crowd that already plays on not-X-Box and he came there to announce the X-Box version. He was a good sport about it, but I could see he was uncomfortable.

[Kiria]

People are hanging onto the image being a fake due to the U being slightly thinner, but isnt the image on an angle which would warp the view and size of the letters?

I'm personally hoping Stormbreaker is real...

[Nymrohd]

People are hanging onto the image being a fake due to the U being slightly thinner, but isnt the image on an angle which would warp the view and size of the letters?

Yeah, I take people's reasons on why something is fake because of visual artifacts entirely per the meme
"THIS LOOKS SHOPPED / I CAN TELL FROM SOME OF THE PIXELS AND FROM SEEING QUITE A FEW SHOPS IN MY TIME."

Not saying it is not fake, but I only bother with arguments about the content.

[Kiria]

Yeah, I take people's reasons on why something is fake because of visual artifacts entirely per the meme
"THIS LOOKS SHOPPED / I CAN TELL FROM SOME OF THE PIXELS AND FROM SEEING QUITE A FEW SHOPS IN MY TIME."

Not saying it is not fake, but I only bother with arguments about the content.

My thoughts exactly, people seem to be dismissing that the image is angled

[Wangming]

Not saying it is not fake, but I only bother with arguments about the content.

I mean pictures of Bolvar were dismissed as fake and so were stills from the DF cinematics. Our radar can be off sometimes

[Nymrohd]

I mean pictures of Bolvar were dismissed as fake and so were stills from the DF cinematics. Our radar can be off sometimes

I am just saying, perhaps we need to stop dismissing things because of how they look because we are REALLY BAD at it. Let's focus on what is shown.

[ercarp]

I mean, I like to think I have a pretty good eye for BS. In my leak spreadsheet for last year, I assigned a "credibility score" (on a scale of 0 to 5) to each leak and only the real leaks ended up having a score above 3.5, everything else was below 2 (closer to 0 most of the time).

And to my eye, everything about the Stormbreaker "leak" is sending my BS detectors into overdrive. I would probably give it a 0.5 out of 5.

[Foolicious]

I mean pictures of Bolvar were dismissed as fake and so were stills from the DF cinematics. Our radar can be off sometimes

To be fair i still think its weird they chose bolvar mid transformation to sell as print. Two distinct colour themes he uses in the cinematic and they chose the two seconds in between when he looks a bit fake.

[Wangming]

I mean, I like to think I have a pretty good eye for BS. In my leak spreadsheet for last year, I assigned a "credibility score" (on a scale of 0 to 5) to each leak and only the real leaks ended up having a score above 3.5, everything else was below 2 (closer to 0 most of the time).

And to my eye, everything about the Stormbreaker "leak" is sending my BS detectors into overdrive. I would probably give it a 0.5 out of 5.

If you have time I'm interested in a detailed analysis of why you think you.

[Sondrelk]

My thoughts exactly, people seem to be dismissing that the image is angled

It's not that angled. The U is very clearly not the one with the squared off bit.

If the argument is that they use a different font for this one then sure. But this isn't the case where you can argue the image being too blurry or angled to notice it.

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To be fair i still think its weird they chose bolvar mid transformation to sell as print. Two distinct colour themes he uses in the cinematic and they chose the two seconds in between when he looks a bit fake.

I can only assume going all blue would be even more weird, and there were not any good angles for when he was all red. At least not dynamic poses like what we got, only slouched on the throne.

[Kiria]

It's not that angled. The U is very clearly not the one with the squared off bit.

If the argument is that they use a different font for this one then sure. But this isn't the case where you can argue the image being too blurry or angled to notice it.

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I can only assume going all blue would be even more weird, and there were not any good angles for when he was all red. At least not dynamic poses like what we got, only slouched on the throne.

All I can say is we shall see, I feel people are too quick to dismiss things here and they've been wrong many a time in the past.

[Thomir]

If you have time I'm interested in a detailed analysis of why you think you.

"Detailed analysis" being just a vibe. But I feel the vibe too.

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If that still from the Dragonflight cinematic came out today I probably would've thought it was AI to be honest ...

[ercarp]

If you have time I'm interested in a detailed analysis of why you think you.

I'm not saying I have some kind of superpower to be able to instantly tell between real and fake, and I could just as easily be mistaken the same as anyone else, but as someone who was engaged in making these fake leaks for years, when I look at some of these images I can recognize the same methods I used to try and make my leaks look more credible. The angles, the cropping, the fonts, the HTML edits, and the subtle weaving of established lore and facts into new but seemingly plausible BS...

But as @Merryck said, it mostly comes down to a vibe. It's hard for me to give a detailed analysis as I'm not the best with words and I don't know the exact terminology for all of this stuff. But I'll continue to trust my gut on this stuff, for better or for worse. I'm okay with being told that I was wrong.

[Wangming]

"Detailed analysis" being just a vibe. But I feel the vibe too.

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If that still from the Dragonflight cinematic came out today I probably would've thought it was AI to be honest ...

People looked at it and were 100% convinced the figure in it was Garrosh due to it being a copy-paste of his model.
Now we know G-man is nowhere near the expansion.

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I'm not saying I have some kind of superpower to be able to instantly tell between real and fake, and I could just as easily be mistaken the same as anyone else, but as someone who was engaged in making these fake leaks for years, when I look at some of these images I can recognize the same methods I used to try and make my leaks look more credible. The angles, the cropping, the fonts, the HTML edits, and the subtle weaving of established lore and facts into new but seemingly plausible BS...

But as @Merryck said, it mostly comes down to a vibe. It's hard for me to give a detailed analysis as I'm not the best with words and I don't know the exact terminology for all of this stuff. But I'll continue to trust my gut on this stuff, for better or for worse. I'm okay with being told that I was wrong.

Well hard to argue with vibes and gut feelings. All I know is I have no idea how HTML edits work and I'm always open to new stuff from people more knowledgable than I.
At any rate to me it seems much more plausible than the one before with the Agarrians or however they were called.

[Santandame]

I also think a bit of pre-conceived bias can come into it as well when determining if something is fake or legit.

The Stormbreaker ''leak'' implies seafaring content, which would ultimately mean pirates in some form. Going off this thread when pirates were being theorised, a lot of people were vehemently against the idea, and were all too willing to accept ''no pirates'' as gospel. If you're not a fan of something, you're going to subconsciously be more sceptical of a leak because you wont want the idea to come to pass.

On the other hand, I'm more leaning towards it being real, and admittedly part of that is because I would love a seafaring/pirate/south seas expansion - so it goes both ways.

Alternatively, we've seen it when we've had world revamp leaks, some cling onto that possible leak as being the more likely one. And so on with other concepts such as underground, elements, Lightbound etc.

For what its worth in my heart of hearts I still believe ultimately that its just going to be a mysterious island to the west shrouded in storms, voila its Avaloren with Iridikron and Xal'atath and just essentially DF 2.0 with a fresh lick of paint with new zones, and no real big defining features.

[Syphin33]

It's called they're on huge amounts of copium

Every legitimate leak that has come through here throughout the years had these same people picking apart everything down to the pixel and it still came out to be true lol.

"No way a dragon race would look like this"
"Look at the clipping!"
"Oh the D in dragonflight looks off compared to other fonts"

Folks came up with some wild reasons why they thought scaleface was false.

[Kiria]

I also think a bit of pre-conceived bias can come into it as well when determining if something is fake or legit.

The Stormbreaker ''leak'' implies seafaring content, which would ultimately mean pirates in some form. Going off this thread when pirates were being theorised, a lot of people were vehemently against the idea, and were all too willing to accept ''no pirates'' as gospel. If you're not a fan of something, you're going to be subconsciously be more sceptical of a leak because you wont want the idea to come to pass.

On the other hand, I'm more leaning towards it being real, and admittedly part of that is because I would love a seafaring/pirate/south seas expansion - so it goes both ways.

Alternatively, we've seen it when we've had world revamp leaks, some cling onto that possible leak as being the more likely one. And so on with other concepts such as underground, elements, Lightbound etc.

For what its worth in my heart of hearts I still believe ultimately that its just going to be a mysterious island to the west shrouded in storms, voila its Avaloren with Iridikron and Xal'atath and just essentially DF 2.0 with a fresh lick of paint with new zones, and no real big defining features.

Honestly I agree as im vehemently against the idea of going underground or doing anymore underground content, but im not shooting their theories down as fake I just leave them to discuss it out.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

It's called they're on huge amounts of copium

Every legitimate leak that has come through here throughout the years had these same people picking apart everything down to the pixel and it still came out to be true lol.

"No way a dragon race would look like this"
"Look at the clipping!"
"Oh the D in dragonflight looks off compared to other fonts"

Folks came up with some wild reasons why they thought scaleface was false.

all i know you might be the one that made that stormbreaker leak since you joined today.

SUS.

[Kiria]

all i know you might be the one that made that stormbreaker leak since you joined today.

SUS.

Nah I wouldnt take join date as anything as they could have been reading these forums for years like myself before actually joining in.

[Santandame]

It's called they're on huge amounts of copium

Every legitimate leak that has come through here throughout the years had these same people picking apart everything down to the pixel and it still came out to be true lol.

"No way a dragon race would look like this"
"Look at the clipping!"
"Oh the D in dragonflight looks off compared to other fonts"

Folks came up with some wild reasons why they thought scaleface was false.

People were also saying that Dragonflight would be a bad name for an expansion, which is ironic considering the last few pages.

People believed Mists of Pandaria to be either a book, comic or mobile game. Battle for Azeroth was believed to be a mobile game cause of the name. Ergo, neither of those sounded like expansion names according to the hype/speculation threads at the time. Legion wasn't even on the cards at an any point even with the Jericho leak (not Scaleface I don't know why people keep attributing that leak to him unless they're the same people), which everyone ignored. The common belief on this forum was that the Legion expansion was going to be called Council of Glades.