Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Sydrache]

Who leaked stormbreaker? I actually like the name because I LOVED stormbreak

[Nightshade711]

There's really no reason to assume this other leak isn't AI.....except it's so very clearly Havi, Odyn's mortal disguise. It's so bizarrely accurate for a cinematic version of an old npc:





My current theory is the throughline between this expansion & the next is That the Harbinger doesn't directly hurt the planet, instead turns the Keepers & Titans into mortals, ala the Time of Troubles

Face tattoos are off.
& Havi doesn’t have two sets of horn-ear things.

[Alanar]

Never saw this before. Kind of funny that there's no gnome in it.

It was there at the far right in the corner, but they removed it.


I am obviously kidding, but that would be something.

[huth]

Beyond bearded guys, I don't see the full similarities. The ears are different, the markings are different, the mustache is different. It just looks too derivative.

Yeah, that doesn't look like Havi at all. Should also be noted that Havi's bodypaint is actual paint, not some glowing tatoos or anything. It's visibly fading or smudged in places.

[Ferlion]

You're getting a new tree...

Yeaaaah.... I'm not really ready to say that's a "bad" development because we don't ultimately know how it's going to work.

But barring instant transportation for large groups that justify Kaldorei presence in Kalimdor, it's more than a bad development.

It's actively giving Kalimdor to the Horde via genocide. And that's not good for anyone.

[Alanar]

Face tattoos are off.
& Havi doesn’t have two sets of horn-ear things.

There was a leak talking about Vrykul druids making their way to the content. Imo it was the best leak so far or most fun one imo.

Those could be druid antlers or some wooden crown with a little imagination, but ye could also be nothing.

[huth]

Face tattoos are off.
& Havi doesn’t have two sets of horn-ear things.

Vastly different beard style and cloths too. Havi's beard is mostly on his lower chin, not his face.

[Jodmos]

It was there at the far right in the corner, but they removed it.


I am obviously kidding, but that would be something.

Reminds of WOTLK cinematic and no gnomes in cinematics was a thing for a while and there were some grumblings. Then someone posted a still where Arthas had his sword thrust forward and stuck (something like this anyway) - "You must be this tall to join the army of the damned" below the image.

[Ferlion]

If it is an underground expansion, I hope we get an entire zone dedicated to the Blingtron war.

[Ersula]

Face tattoos are off.
& Havi doesn’t have two sets of horn-ear things.

And Grommash has eyebrows

Vastly different beard style and cloths too. Havi's beard is mostly on his lower chin, not his face.

Because as we know, hair & clothing never change

[Alanar]

Reminds of WOTLK cinematic and no gnomes in cinematics was a thing for a while and there were some grumblings. Then someone posted a still where Arthas had his sword thrust forward and stuck (something like this anyway) - "You must be this tall to join the army of the damned" below the image.

I actually vaguely remember some meme like that. For a split second I thought it was blizzard themselves who did that, but I dont think it was.

[Nightshade711]

And Grommash has eyebrowsBecause as we know, hair & clothing never change

Growing horns/extra set of ears ≠ growing eyebrows

[Worgrims]

Okay but if we take the old Bolvar model before SL and Bolvar in the cinematic and then IG we could also have played the difference game ^^

[Paula Deen]

Okay but if we take the old Bolvar model before SL and Bolvar in the cinematic and then IG we could also have played the difference game ^^

Not completely different ears LMAO

[johnnyd2]

My thoughts on the “Havi leak”
Considering that Havi is essentially Odyn’s “visage”, is it really that farfetched for him to have changed his appearance/model of his visage?

[huth]

that's fine, as long as you focus on insignificant 1:1 ingame vs CGI details, make the same idiotic comparison between any CGI character and its ingame model

Sounds like you never did. Blizzard is actually quite good at making them look rather similar. This does not look like Havi any more than it looks like the Primus.

[Paula Deen]

Sounds like you never did. Blizzard is actually quite good at making them look rather similar. This does not look like Havi any more than it looks like the Primus.

This. The worst offenses Blizzard have ever done in the cinematics are Deathwing's Scale in Cataclysm's Introduction and Bolvar looking more unique from the Lich King he had become in Legion (Although tbf he did look like I thought he looked in his headshots and the LK Ending). Ain't no way they are gonna go out of there way to make Havi look like the Zovaal.

[Worgrims]

It's not wrong, I agree, but I don't find this image less or more coherent than the one we've had so far.

[Gloriandus]

Perhaps the long-rumored "other side" of Azeroth is below the surface, making the "hollow earth" idea seem very plausible, with Avaloren being the Titans' hidden kingdom/refuge, so to speak. You can "sail" to it like others have claimed about the hole in Antarctica or via other places around the world that leads into the hollow earth. Maybe there's a secret entrance somewhere in the Storming Sea that we have to find.

The idea of "as above, so below" is an ancient esoteric belief and it would fit into (what at least appears to me) to be the story pushing toward "the Titans are actually the bad guys", which could be a parallel to theosophist ideas of the Garden of Eden.

One minor issue with the hollow earth, however, is its part in Nazi esoterica and occultism with the Vril. Hopefully they're careful enough to make no inadvertent parallels there.

[Ersula]

This does not look like Havi any more than it looks like the Primus.

And you say Teriz's takes are wild