Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[huth]

Got to be honest with you, maybe I am out of the loop, but I kinda missed the part that oathstones could change the color of the dragons.

He's a teenager now. And we're kinda his parent. It is our duty to embarass him at every opportunity.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

High Elves and Ogres.

I might be opening a wormhole, but don't people already have high elves via customization? It would be fifth version of playable elves.

[Gib Lover]

I saw in twitter a lot of people calling the owl loa a reference to “ tzeentch” from war hammer 40k - could that be? Seems like in 40k it has some old god vibes

Tzeentch's greater demons usually have a bird theme, and the chosen Primarch of Tzeentch Magnus the Red also has pretty heavy avian features. The Loa of "Change" and Tzeentch is the "Changer of Ways" and "Lord of Change" so there's a couple surface level similarities. I don't think the major Chaos powers in 40k are analogous to the Old Gods though, seems like this is just parallel thinking or a quick fun nod with the bird stuff and 'change' terminology.

[Alanar]

He's a teenager now. And we're kinda his parent. It is our duty to embarass him at every opportunity.

Gotta love these kindd of parents hu

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I might be opening a wormhole, but don't people already have high elves via customization? It would be fifth version of playable elves.

You are 100% correct and you can play one, but it will never be enough for them untill they get their very own special "high elf"" tag in game.

[Nyel]

Hey there, can someone give me a TL;DR for the last days? I know about the Stormbreaker leak, but wasn’t able to catch up since then. Anything interesting?

Guess with all the Elune stuff in 10.2 my joke about Dark Side of Elune wasn’t too far fetched, lol.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Personally I want them to take the time to rework the Allied Race system, because it's a mess right now with some options being AR and some being cosmetic choices for the core races.

Have it be just "Human", for example, and let players pick a Culture or whatever you want to call it. A sort of backstory. I'm a High Elf from Quel'thalas, that's my race. But my backstory choice is Quel'dorei, Sin'dorei, Ren'dorei, etc. Depending on these choices, different cosmetic options and racial abilities open up to me.

Perhaps all High Elves share one racial ability and a few cosmetic options, but then both the abilities and the cosmetics branch off depending on what your backstory is.

Doing it this way, it'll be way easier for them to just keep adding interesting "sub races" in the future, and give them all the same attention that they all deserve.

For example all Orc clans, multiple Tauren tribes, and all kinds of Trolls.

Since Ogres would be a new race altogether, perhaps Alliance should get something more than merely High Elves. Broken Draenei could fit this, since they're a different model than regular Draenei.

I couldn't agree more with this, it's exactly what I've been hoping for since the AR were introduced

[Makorus]

How the fuck is opening up the game to vastly bigger audience a bad business decision?

Because you are, even if we are incredibly pessimistic in terms of subscriber numbers, losing out on over 1-2 Million $15 a month, as well as people buying microtransactions, for the potential of more people buying microtransaction.

It would make sense if WoW didn't have as big of a playerbase as it does, but it does, even if people act like it's dead.

And the earnings you make from Gamepass itself are so miniscule it's not even worth discussing.

[Nymrohd]

If I'd change WoW's model at all for Game Pass integration what I could see is expanding the trial version of WoW to lvl 50 or lvl 60 if the xpac takes us to lvl 80 and then make everything up to BfA available on Game Pass. That way, people could experience a lot of WoW for free.

[Shadowferal]

Hmf...revenue becomes diluted, and the allocation of resources will likely adjust accordingly by the amount of ingame traffic.

[Kiria]

Because you are, even if we are incredibly pessimistic in terms of subscriber numbers, losing out on over 1-2 Million $15 a month, as well as people buying microtransactions, for the potential of more people buying microtransaction.

It would make sense if WoW didn't have as big of a playerbase as it does, but it does, even if people act like it's dead.

And the earnings you make from Gamepass itself are so miniscule it's not even worth discussing.

A quick good search calls your comment a complete guess, WoW's playerbase is nowhere near the millions it used to be where as the the Gamepass has a shit ton of players, WoW would be lucky if its holding onto 1 million players theses if not a few hundred thousand.

In October 2022, Sony submitted its response to the regulator, claiming that “Game Pass has 29 million subscribers to Xbox Game Pass Console and Xbox Game Pass Ultimate, and is expected to grow substantially in the future.” So it seems legit that Game Pass could have over 30 million subscribers.Sep 15, 2023

A quick google seaarch will tell you this much.

(Original Story - 14:50): Xbox Game Pass has been growing each year since its first introduction in 2017, and it looks like the service hit a fairly substantial subscriber milestone by last month. Thanks to a new job update from Xbox marketing exec Craig McNary, we now know that the service surpassed 30 million users by August 2023.

In a summary of McNary's previous position at Microsoft, which wrapped up last month, the exec says he "launched and grew Xbox Game Pass, the world's #1 gaming subscription service, to over 30M members" - alongside plenty of other folks over at Microsoft of course.

https://www.purexbox.com/news/2023/0...0August%202023.

[KyleEverett]

I saw in twitter a lot of people calling the owl loa a reference to “ tzeentch” from war hammer 40k - could that be? Seems like in 40k it has some old god vibes

Much more likely to be a reference to the Egyptian god of the moon Khonsu. He is often depicted with a Falcon head. He's given the title Embracer among others. He is the child of the Sun God and the Mother Goddess. They could go further with these parallels or not but we'll see what role he plays.

[Hitei]

A quick good search calls your comment a complete guess, WoW's playerbase is nowhere near the millions it used to be where as the the Gamepass has a shit ton of players, WoW would be lucky if its holding onto 1 million players theses if not a few hundred thousand.

A quick google seaarch will tell you this much.

...you realize that gamepass' existing users aren't additional revenue right? Adding wow to gamepass doesn't mean "omg, we went from 1-2 million players to 30 million players!" it means you went from 1-2 million players to 1-2 million players paying 30% less, and 30 million people who are getting wow as a free bonus for money they were alreadying paying to MS.

The earnings from gamepass are small because the earnings aren't gamepass' existing customers, they are the hypothetical tiny amount of people who do not have a wow sub and do not have gamepass, but for some reason would buy a gamepass if wow was on it. And you need 50% more of those hypothetical people than you have existing wow players just to make up for the 30% loss from regular wow subs.

[Kiria]

...you realize that gamepass' existing users aren't additional revenue right? Adding wow to gamepass doesn't mean "omg, we went from 1-2 million players to 30 million players!" it means you went from 1-2 million players to 1-2 million players paying 30% less, and 30 million people who are getting wow as a free bonus for money they were alreadying paying to MS.

The earnings from gamepass are small because the earnings aren't gamepass' existing customers, they are the hypothetical tiny amount of people who do not have a wow sub and do not have gamepass, but for some reason would buy a gamepass if wow was on it. And you need 50% more of those hypothetical people than you have existing wow players just to make up for the 30% loss from regular wow subs.

You think so small, people will always buy MTX, Transmogs and services ESPECIALLY if they think they're saving money, tsk tsk shame so many small thinkers.

You are also pulling numbers out of thin air to try and support your arguments, so you are thinking hypothetically, not that I care, but you do you.

[Reive]

wow has 2m+ players.

[Kiria]

wow has 2m+ players.

Source please?

[Makorus]

A quick good search calls your comment a complete guess, WoW's playerbase is nowhere near the millions it used to be where as the the Gamepass has a shit ton of players, WoW would be lucky if its holding onto 1 million players theses if not a few hundred thousand.



A quick google seaarch will tell you this much.




https://www.purexbox.com/news/2023/0...0August%202023.

In what world does WoW not have over 1 Million subscribers LMAO

Also, it's incredibly, incredibly deluded to think that even the smallest fraction of people that are subscribed to Gamepass are going to be playing WoW. Additionally, the numbers you use include Xbox Gamepass which has a way larger install base to begin with because it's comparatively cheaper on Xbox because it "comes with" Xbox Live, in a way.

[Kiria]

In what world does WoW not have over 1 Million subscribers LMAO

Also, it's incredibly, incredibly deluded to think that even the smallest fraction of people that are subscribed to Gamepass are going to be playing WoW. Additionally, the numbers you use include Xbox Gamepass which has a way larger install base to begin with because it's comparatively cheaper on Xbox because it "comes with" Xbox Live, in a way.

Calls me deluded but still thinks WoW has over 1m players active in retail, oki doki

[lanerios]

A quick good search calls your comment a complete guess, WoW's playerbase is nowhere near the millions it used to be where as the the Gamepass has a shit ton of players, WoW would be lucky if its holding onto 1 million players theses if not a few hundred thousand.

"Your comment is a complete guess, here let me reply with an even worse estimate because I can"

That is what you are saying right now. Your estimate is 100% unreliable since you do not have the numbers, only blizzard does.

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Calls me deluded but still thinks WoW has over 1m players active in retail, oki doki

Please provide any evidence to the contrary, and factual evidence. Not a "just trust me bro"

So far in this thread you have been whining and complaining about how dead WoW is, how Classic is looking more and more interesting. If that's the case? Go to classic. Enjoy your game. But right now you are sounding a bit frustrated that the game you no longer like is still being liked by others.

[Reive]

Source please?

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addon.../files/4751015

almost 2m downloads in 1 month

[Kiria]

"Your comment is a complete guess, here let me reply with an even worse estimate because I can"

That is what you are saying right now. Your estimate is 100% unreliable since you do not have the numbers, only blizzard does.

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Please provide any evidence to the contrary, and factual evidence. Not a "just trust me bro"

I never said it wasnt, but people assuming Blizz has the numbers they think they do is always going to be a guess regardless, What I can say is from personal experience of watching my guild go from 80 active players down to 2-3 active players since 10.2 is very real, I know its not credible for a foundation but it shows WoW IS losing players to disinterest regardless.

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addon.../files/4751015

almost 2m downloads in 1 month

hahahahahahahahahaha good one.

Copium is seriously real in this conversation, also you said WoW had over 2m+ players yet this download which cant be used for accuracy anyway has less that 2m downloads, nice try though.