Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Santandame]

Djaradin are enemies. When we first saw the Kvaldir we did not know shit about them. Devourers of SL? We do not know much. I would say that we do not know shit about the Brokers even. Djaradin will be developed in due time, no doubt.

Regarding Dragons, they were nearly annihilated and they do not have all the needs of a regular society. I think that they should have been more developed in DF, especially regarding the Drakonids. But again, there will be more lore of Dragons incoming.

The Djaradin very much feel contained to the Dragon Isles. They may branch out into other zones, and I’d argue they should if we get a world revamp, colonising zones such as Burning Steppes and Searing Gorge but from what we’ve seen they show no seafaring prowess.

At least with the Kvaldir we knew they had seafaring capabilities so it wouldn’t be a total shock to see them again after Wrath. Also at the time, they were just another flavour of Vrykul along with the other flavour of Vrykul we got in WotLK alongside the ones seen in Storm Peaks and Icecrown as well as the base ones seen in Howling Fjord.

Devourers very much seem like a tied to the Shadowlands sort of deal considering their existence. I can’t imagine they’ll show up again outside of the SL unless we visit other cosmic planes in a significant setting and outside of that can you really see them getting any development?

[Kiria]

Not sure if its been mentioned but An'quiraj styled mounts have been datamined for the trading post, maybe hints of the future?

[Darkarath]

Blizzard did not hit their stride with world building in detail until MoP then WoD till BfA they did excellent jobs. When the Kvaldir did reappear we learned everything about them. The Devourers are probably meant to be mysterious. We never actually get to visit where they come from though so it makes sense we can only find so little about them given they don't communicate (and probably even the natives of SL don't know much about them). We know a ton about the Brokers, we know many different cartels, that they have a hierarchy and that each has different specialties, we know their architecture and technology and even engaged in their intrigue in multiple occasions.

They certainly do a worse job with antagonists though, I will give you that. We still know far too little about the different races of the Legion.

Yeah I agree that we learn quite a bit about the Brokers but I think that it is clear that there is so much more to them.

Although I completely agree with your point about the Legion races. The Legion has so much potential... I hope that when they bring it back they do it justice. My dream is that they show that we were only able to defeat them because they were fighting against all the cosmic forces at the same time for millenia. Therefore they could only bring an small army and resources to Azeroth.

The Djaradin very much feel contained to the Dragon Isles.

I disagree. I think that they could be everywhere. They look almost the same as those Emerald Dream statues. They are probably one of the Primal races of Azeroth. Probably some kind of Guardians that got corrupted. Time will tell.

Devourers very much seem like a tied to the Shadowlands sort of deal considering their existence. I can’t imagine they’ll show up again outside of the SL unless we visit other cosmic planes in a significant setting and outside of that can you really see them getting any development?

They can do whatever they want with Devourers. I honestly would be shock if we do not see them again when we go Cosmic. I kind of like them. Very curious creatures. I thought that they were theorized that they were some kind of First Ones experiment? Maybe I am confusing them with those creatures from Marvel The Eternals

[Myrrh]

DF did a good job with Centaurs and Tuskkars IMO. It is just that (at least for me) they are not very interesting races. There is not much else that you can do with them. Zaralek was clearly a missed opportunity IMO to develop more either Drogbars or Kobolds. Instead we got a race that brings nothing to the table and that it is unlikely that we will see ever again.

The issue for me with Centaur et al was the scale - the island has ostensibly been hidden away for 10,000 years and the Centaurs have... like three very small encampments? I exaggerate, but it doesn't feel like the Plains have been lived in for that immense period, at all.

Hopefully they do something a bit better this time around, particularly if it is Avaloren which has seemingly been cut off from the world for far longer.

[Polybius]

He wasn't a leaker.

There was a post on NGA (a major Chinese forum) during Legion that was attempting to establish a pattern in expansions, where he pointed out that themes in old expansions show up again in new expansions. e.g. "Burning Crusade was about Draenor and about the Legion, WoD is about Draenor and Legion is about the Legion". So he then concluded that following that same pattern, Wrath (Old Gods and Scourge) meant that the expansion after Legion would be about Old Gods and the one after that would be about the Shadowlands; and Cata (dragons and elements) meant that 10.0 would be about dragons and 11.0 would be about the elments.

People now mistakenly call him a leaker and also take his guesses as prophetic word.

Except we already know that expansions aren't developed like that, because the devs have outright said (on at least two occasions) that they just collaboratively brainstorm where would be cool to go next a couple expansions in advance and then decide on the story to get there. We also know that his lucky guesses have already sort of run out, because Dragonflight is both a dragon and elemental expansion, and his guess for 12.0 and 13.0 was that MoP was "Faction war and Sha" so 12.0 is gonna be Horde vs Alliance and 13.0 is going to be about the Sha, but even he recognized how the Sha coming back made no sense and suggested 13.0 was going to be the end of wow and about the Void instead--and of course, we already dealt with the faction war storyline back in 8.0 at the same time as the Old gods, so the pattern isn't actually a pattern.


tl;dr it was a regular forum poster who self-admittedly was guessing about random ideas and got lucky a few times, the guesses of whom people now really stupidly take as evidence of stuff happening in the future. In this case, Teriz really wants an Underground expansion, so he's arguing that the guess about 11.0 being "elemental" is proof of an Underground expansion.

I keep hearing this but I recall at the time the leaker (assuming it's the same one) posted about the new class, Order Halls, artifact weapons and landmarks. The details were too specific for it to be a random guess.

[Myrrh]

I keep hearing this but I recall at the time the leaker (assuming it's the same one) posted about the new class, Order Halls, artifact weapons and landmarks. The details were too specific for it to be a random guess.

I don't recall that being the same person, the Chinese leaker for Legion very specifically spoke in riddles.

[Nymrohd]

The Djaradin very much feel contained to the Dragon Isles. They may branch out into other zones, and I’d argue they should if we get a world revamp, colonising zones such as Burning Steppes and Searing Gorge but from what we’ve seen they show no seafaring prowess.

At least with the Kvaldir we knew they had seafaring capabilities so it wouldn’t be a total shock to see them again after Wrath. Also at the time, they were just another flavour of Vrykul along with the other flavour of Vrykul we got in WotLK alongside the ones seen in Storm Peaks and Icecrown as well as the base ones seen in Howling Fjord.

Devourers very much seem like a tied to the Shadowlands sort of deal considering their existence. I can’t imagine they’ll show up again outside of the SL unless we visit other cosmic planes in a significant setting and outside of that can you really see them getting any development?

Devourers could easily be linked to the seventh force imo. Could be that they represent what existed BEFORE the First Ones built this cosmos and displaced them. I think the prevalent speculation currently is that they are effectively cosmic janitors; the First Ones let them lose so they can destroy scrapped concepts

- - - Updated - - -

The issue for me with Centaur et al was the scale - the island has ostensibly been hidden away for 10,000 years and the Centaurs have... like three very small encampments? I exaggerate, but it doesn't feel like the Plains have been lived in for that immense period, at all.

Hopefully they do something a bit better this time around, particularly if it is Avaloren which has seemingly been cut off from the world for far longer.

The centaur are supposed to be nomadic so their permanent encampments are for the clans that have a sedentary role (training Shaman and observing funereal rights) plus a meeting place. For me the issue with the centaur was that it was such a massive departure from the centaur of Kalimdor with completely different attitudes and a different origin story. To the point where I wonder why they had to be Centaur in the first place.

[Santandame]

I don't recall that being the same person, the Chinese leaker for Legion very specifically spoke in riddles.

Yep, they referenced things such as Tyr, Sylvanas becoming warchief etc.

The person who leaked Legion in this thread was a guy called Jericho with some random numbers attached to his name. His leak included artifact weapons, class halls and demon hunters.

[ercarp]

Not sure if its been mentioned but An'quiraj styled mounts have been datamined for the trading post, maybe hints of the future?

Guess this leak was real all along then.

[Polybius]

Yep, they referenced things such as Tyr, Sylvanas becoming warchief etc.

The person who leaked Legion in this thread was a guy called Jericho with some random numbers attached to his name. His leak included artifact weapons, class halls and demon hunters.

Man, it feels like this was just yesterday...

[Santandame]

The centaur are supposed to be nomadic so their permanent encampments are for the clans that have a sedentary role (training Shaman and observing funereal rights) plus a meeting place. For me the issue with the centaur was that it was such a massive departure from the centaur of Kalimdor with completely different attitudes and a different origin story. To the point where I wonder why they had to be Centaur in the first place.

They were pretty much Tauren. I’d have preferred they be another Tauren sub-race because as you said, they were so radically different from the centaur we know.

[Kiria]

Guess this leak was real all along then.

I do remember someone mentioning An'Quiraj ruins, I just dont remember who.

[Nymrohd]

They were pretty much Tauren. I’d have preferred they be another Tauren sub-race because as you said, they were so radically different from the centaur we know.

Heck you could have used this area for Highmountain if they had not been used for the Broken Isles. You'd even get the Drogbar and Neltharion areas instead of Zaralek's moles and Aberrus.

[Engal]

I do remember someone mentioning An'Quiraj ruins, I just dont remember who.

I'm waiting for the inevitable " sh**storm" expansion leak

[Wangming]

Guess this leak was real all along then.

Jokes aside, I would play this.

[HelipsBP]

Guess this leak was real all along then.

I get some Starship Troopers vibes from this - definately would play!

Also, last boss - Brainbug?

[Teriz]

I've reversed it, and in that case what is it ???



Dragon Island down there?

Either the EK is flipped and that’s the Dragon Isles, or that might be Undermine….

[Wangming]

The centaur are supposed to be nomadic so their permanent encampments are for the clans that have a sedentary role (training Shaman and observing funereal rights) plus a meeting place. For me the issue with the centaur was that it was such a massive departure from the centaur of Kalimdor with completely different attitudes and a different origin story. To the point where I wonder why they had to be Centaur in the first place.

Look for Stormblood for ways to use a nomadic race well.

[Azalar]

I've reversed it, and in that case what is it ???

Now flip it vertically lmao

[Kiria]

Either the EK is flipped and that’s the Dragon Isles, or that might be Undermine….

It's most definitely upside down, look at the outlines of the EK and Kalimdor and see Teldrasil/Bloodmyst Isle is on the bottom instead of the top of Kalimdor