Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[ChairmanKaga]

An ice theme for the Dream would have been much better. The fire destroying nature theme has been done to death in WoW. It’s just a pretty lame aesthetic. Ice and snowstorms seeping into the Dream would have been a much more refreshing aesthetic and would have made the Dream aesthetic even more magical.

I would agree if they hadn't wasted that vibe on the Primalist Future weekly.

[Reive]

That's been a problem with story delivery in game for years.

yeah there is this tendence of going directly from point A to point Z by skipping all there is in between

[Wangming]

Ironically it seems that what people wanted from a Dream Zone is not what it canonically is and people really were asking for Lifelands stuff.

I mean the artworks we have seen of the dream since forever show the ground twisting in shape and all sort of stuff that isn't "Azeroth but green"

Also who knows how life can flourish without the conflicts on Azeroth?
I get what you are saying. But I think they could have done more with it.

[ChairmanKaga]

yeah there is this tendence of going directly from point A to point Z by skipping all there is in between

I think part of that seeped in when they started making major narrative points in outside material like novels.

[Cheezits]

I would agree if they hadn't wasted that vibe on the Primalist Future weekly.

Ironically, I wonder if the Future area was not foreshadowing an ice zone down the road but actually the devs knowing Vyranoth would not be a baddie so they wanted an excuse to include an ice area.

[Reive]

I mean the artworks we have seen of the dream since forever show the ground twisting in shape and all sort of stuff that isn't "Azeroth but green"

Also who knows how life can flourish without the conflicts on Azeroth?
I get what you are saying. But I think they could have done more with it.

the statues, the ground twisting etc are in the zone tho. also, the dream was supposed to be val'sharah but greener and bigger.

[Wangming]

Ardenweald colliding with the Dream would've made for a cool aesthetic, but after SL reception they probably scrapped any idea of that besides Moonberry's cameo.

Also, despite being winter themed, Ardenweald had zero snow/ice, so they could've brought that here instead.

Yeah that was weird. Winter Queen, but no winter. Imagine if Ardenweald were divided into four sections, each representing a season and all havint different aesthetics and queens. I know it is winter Queen cause winter=natura dies=death. But the zone it self was not wintery.

And yes, Ardenweald spilling over on one side, a small pocket of nightmare corruption on another....a lot could have been done to spice up the dream.

[Nymrohd]

An ice theme for the Dream would have been much better. The fire destroying nature theme has been done to death in WoW. It’s just a pretty lame aesthetic. Ice and snowstorms seeping into the Dream would have been a much more refreshing aesthetic and would have made the Dream aesthetic even more magical.

They could have also stayed away from the fire element in Aberrus if they knew they'd be doing Firelands, Emerald Dream edition right after.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I wonder what Vyranoth was doing before or when fyrakk went to suck on that sweet shadowflame, since she was there when Fyrakk was going underground, wouldn't she know the plan already and how shadowflame will be bad for her brother that already was on the brink of madness?

I dunno, they just kinda put her there and act like this generic "ice pissed off lady" and instantly switching sides after very to little of development.

It seems like she didn't care about fyrakk at all to begin with, but maybe i forgot something in the storyline that happened in last patches then my bad.

[Wangming]

the statues, the ground twisting etc are in the zone tho.

This kinda proves I am dumb, but also supports my point that the dream can be more than Azeroth but greener and more trees.

[Sondrelk]

Yeah that was weird. Winter Queen, but no winter. Imagine if Ardenweald were divided into four sections, each representing a season and all havint different aesthetics and queens. I know it is winter Queen cause winter=natura dies=death. But the zone it self was not wintery.

And yes, Ardenweald spilling over on one side, a small pocket of nightmare corruption on another....a lot could have been done to spice up the dream.

Honestly I would have gone for a full on winter theme to really play on the hibernation theme.
Would have made the corrupted areas more distinct. Even more so considering you could contrast the soothing winter with a harsh one.

[ChairmanKaga]

Yeah that was weird. Winter Queen, but no winter. Imagine if Ardenweald were divided into four sections, each representing a season and all havint different aesthetics and queens. I know it is winter Queen cause winter=natura dies=death. But the zone it self was not wintery.

I feel dumb I never thought about this but I really disliked all but one SL zone so I was probably just ignoring Ardenweald entirely.

[Wangming]

They could have also stayed away from the fire element in Aberrus if they knew they'd be doing Firelands, Emerald Dream edition right after.

Firelands, Shadowflame, Burning a World Tree again!
We didn't start the fire...

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I feel dumb I never thought about this but I really disliked all but one SL zone so I was probably just ignoring Ardenweald entirely.

Was that one Revendreth?

[Santandame]

We literally just got a blue dream with Ardenweald though?

A dark blue hue forest is nothing like Ardenweald. Where was the frost, snow and ice in Ardenweald?

[Sondrelk]

I wonder what Vyranoth was doing before or when fyrakk went to suck on that sweet shadowflame, since she was there when Fyrakk was going underground, wouldn't she know the plan already and how shadowflame will be bad for her brother that already was on the brink of madness?

I dunno, they just kinda put her there and act like this generic "ice pissed off lady" and instantly switching sides after very to little of development.

It seems like she didn't care about fyrakk at all to begin with, but maybe i forgot something in the storyline that happened in last patches then my bad.

One imagines another major patch could have fleshed out their dynamic more.
At the very least I wouldn't have made Vyranoth join immediately, but rather go sulk somewhere most of the patch, and then be brought back to help at the very end.

[Wangming]

One imagines another major patch could have fleshed out their dynamic more.
At the very least I wouldn't have made Vyranoth join immediately, but rather go sulk somewhere most of the patch, and then be brought back to help at the very end.

I know I'm doing THAT again, but Stormblood did a very good job with Fordola. Her turn was gradual and believable. And when she first aided the heroes it was to help defend something that was actually important to her.

[ChairmanKaga]

Was that one Revendreth?

Yes. Art direction wise I really enjoyed it.
Narrative wise I found all the factions the players were aligning with repugnant. All the afterlives seemed terrible. I kept wondering during the expansion if I was supposed to want to be on Sylvanas' side of tearing it all down. I'm derailing here though.

[Ersula]

"you enslaved my kin, jailed me and my brothers for thousands of years and killed my sister, but now i'm going to help you kill my brother because wants to set the tree on fire"

a bit too sudden. the writers need to learn to not skip steps that make a narrative believable

A bit reductive, as she directly explains Fyrakk's plan will burn the entire planet. If anything's bad writing its that not more people are helping with this. Pretty sure this is being understated for what is debatably the most urgent threat to all non-elemental life on azeroth ever.

[PotHockets]

One imagines another major patch could have fleshed out their dynamic more.
At the very least I wouldn't have made Vyranoth join immediately, but rather go sulk somewhere most of the patch, and then be brought back to help at the very end.

I agree with this but add that Fyrakk attacking her and Alex defending her should have been the catalyst that got her to swap sides.

[Lahis]

How??

Wow takes place in the world... Any parallel tory that happens in warcraft 4 would be happening in wow.

WoW events only happen on current expansion continent. Plenty of space for parallel games happening on elsewhere in the world.